Ah yes, "..save lives, protect the NHS". That worked well didn't it.Quote:
Originally Posted by PontBlue
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Ah yes, "..save lives, protect the NHS". That worked well didn't it.Quote:
Originally Posted by PontBlue
What do you propose then-What's the correct course of action?Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
I'm all for the pass me.
Anything to p I ss off anti vaxxers.
As long as the old farts of this world don't dilly dally at the bar, fiddling around on the phone
If the use of the pass helps cut hospital covid admissions, which in turn allows nhs staff to treat patients with other conditions, then it's hard to argue against it shirley?Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
We were told our sacrifices were necessary to 'save the NHS'. Bollocks. For nearly 2 years nobody apart from emergency and COVID cases have been admitted to hospital. Imagine damming a river for 2yrs and then opening it up. That's what you have now, but this Govt - and all others - totally evaded the question, in fact no-one dared ever ask. Germany and Nederlands today have recorded the highest EVER number of cases. Don't you think it's time now to start questioning what 'we' have been told for nearly 2 yrs.. ?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bloop
You were chatting shit at the start of the pandemic and you still are now ffs. How can someone be this arrogant?Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
I'm not sure, ask the concerned.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
I was just pointing out you're a new user and the other fella hasn't been on here in the time you've been a member, so it occurred to me that you wouldn't know of that person, being new and him not being active since you joined.
Had an hour spare in the works van on the way from work, I don't need to be bothered to notice and point something out :thumbup:
Welcome to the board :thumbup:
Because he probably believes that his liberty is more important than people getting severely ill or dying, and he probably doesn't trust the science or those who are making decisions on our behalf based on research. I can't think of any other reason. Maybe he should tell us what the right thing is to do in this situation so that we can understand where he is coming from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
We were also told that nobody except those who work in the public sector would have a job left by the end of 2020. And we were told that professional football could not and would not be played during any sort of lockdowns.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
Can you remember who told us those things? I'll give you a clue: it was you.
(Incidentally, based on my own experiences during recent months, I firmly believe Covid passes are a nonsense and a total waste of time.)
Come off it. You know what my post said :Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Don't you think it's time now to start questioning what 'we' have been told for nearly 2 yrs..
Covid passes have been strictly applied in Germany in all type of settings, and they are in big trouble as we speak .
I've shown or tried to show my pass a few times no real examination took place.
With regards to the predicted job losses Furlough has certainly worked in reducing job losses.
These passes, don't they just allow someone to know that you've been vaccinated? That's their sole purpose, Right?Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Yes but you could be showng anyones if doorman pays little interest, you can download a pass for yourself and send it as a PDF as an e mail to someone else to show at a doorQuote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
I've been double-vaccinated. My Covid pass is in letter form. I've been to four gigs in four different venues in Cardiff since they became compulsory. This is what happened:
Gig 1: I was asked to have my Covid pass ready in the queue outside. When I got to the front of the queue a couple of minutes later, I told the girl on the door I had an NHS letter, attempted to show it but was told it was fine and was waved in (it could have been an electricity bill for all the difference it made).
Gig 2: Asked if I had a Covid pass, replied that I did and was waved in - I didn't even get as far as taking it our of my pocket.
Gig 3: Was not asked for a Covid pass at any stage.
Gig 4: Was asked for my Covid pass, produced the letter and was then asked for further ID to prove the letter was mine (fortunately, my debit card was accepted as good enough, as that's all I had on me at the time).
It's an absolute nonsense that I can get on a busy bus or train without showing any sort of pass (and masks seem to be a thing of the past for half the people on public transport these days), I can have a few beers in a busy pub without showing any kind of pass, but I then have to show a pass to enter a gig venue. Utter bollocks.
The whole thing is totally half-arsed. It's a nuisance for no good reason.
And what happens if the person kicks off as they surely will how will a smaller pub deal with that without bouncers?Quote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
Agreed mate, went to Wales v New Zealand, a cursory glance at my phone, but could have been any QR code, same as down the City. Waste of timeQuote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
People don't want lockdowns but then they won't do the bare minimum to try and keep people safe.
I'm fine with anything that makes sense and has a point. However, the Covid pass system is just nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doucas
Perhaps you don't use public transport or visit shops regularly (and that's not a piss-take - maybe you just don't). I catch a bus home from work most days and frequently wander around the shops in the city centre during my lunchtimes. The percentage of people not wearing masks on the buses and in shops seems to rise gradually every week, but there is no attempt from anyone, anywhere to question those who are not bothering.
Wearing a mask on public transport and in shops is, to me, the bare minimum, but it's not happening and we don't hear anything about it from Drakeford and Co. Why not? Is wearing a mask in these settings no longer compulsory? Or is doing so ineffective in combating the virus? Whatever the reality, we should be in a situation whereby something is either necessary and enforced, or it isn't necessary and isn't compulsory. Not the half-arsed nonsense we have at the moment.
I'm under the impression that face masks are mandatory in enclosed public places, which, by my understanding, means it's the law. Although prepared to be corrected.
How would they deal with it normally? People kicking off at bartenders isn’t something that’s not existed before 18 months ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bald Barry Bastad
Torn on this as for a few reasons, I really don't like the concept and I don't think it will have much of an effect. I would imagine table service, proper enforced social distancing in pubs and a return to mask wearing when you are up and about would have a far greater effect on transmission than a likely 4 week christmas free for all of vaccinated people who can still pass the virus around. I don't know what it is like in Wales but here in my part of England, I am one of, I would say 15-20% of people who still wear masks at all, the majority can't be ****ed now because of the hapless comms from number 10.
What a mess this all is. Terrible communication and implementation by all governments and the arbitrary figure of 10,000 (but 9,999 is OK) re. Covid passports. Terrible enforcement of rules (laws) already in place. Terrible personal responsibility regularly shown by Welsh people and the rest of the UK. 6 pages of discussion in November 2021. What a mess.
The passes/tests are there for good reason and ought to be extended. The problem is it can’t be policed as those being asked to check are low paid people who quite rightly are not paid enough to get their heads knocked off.
Exactly why should lowly paid part time bar staff have to put up with yet more potential aggro. They're not paid enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blue
I had my booster today .
The sooner people are forced to get a jab or three,
either by the unpopular "compulsory vax", or the marginally less unpopular
making it too difficult to go about life without getting vaxed,
the sooner we'll be out of this covid mess and get back to normal.
Shields up Scotty!
Agree with this 100%, even on TFL mask wearing seems to be at an all time low.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Yes, I read that.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
The same as they would if they'd refused someone alcohol, or wouldn't serve them because they don't have proof of age.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bald Barry Bastad
Pubs seem to manage throwing people out all the time without bouncers...
The vaccines absolutely do reduce your chances of catching covid and therefore lower transmission.
Bizarre that this "U cun stil katch et" argument has even emerged.
The boosters bring antibodies over the 2500U/mg limit on the antibody test and so far on trial patients this persists past 8 months.
Wales has Covid passes, England does not.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLUETIT
When will Wales see the benefits of this measure in the data, as as far as I can tell it’s not showing at the moment?
Exactly. It's the raison d'être of vaccination - any vaccination.Quote:
Originally Posted by Welshcake.
I get the train a lot, go shopping, to pubs and restaurants etc..I get about!Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Mask wearing has definitely reduced here in Cardiff. Whereas even in September at the start of term every parent wore a mask to school drop off it's probably 50% now. Local trains (where u do have to wear one) is maybe 60-70%. Shops probably similar. Pubs etc, maybe 5- 10% will have a mask on if at the bar etc.
Was in Scotland recently and was pretty much the same although I didnyt get a train and it was more common for bar staff to wear masks there and ask you to do the same whilst ordering
Not really considering it’s a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Welshcake.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59344564
'A cinema has been told to shut down after the owner defied the law and refused to ask for Covid passes'.
Meanwhile, you could go to a busy pub around the corner without the need for a Covid pass.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
It’s complete and utter bollocks. Following the science? Are they ****.
Awesome - it means I can have a safe pint away from anti-vaxxing, brexiteering, petrol panic buying, toilet roll hoarding, mrs browns boys watching idiots
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Originally Posted by Welshcake.
I've just spent 10 days in my home with a double vaxed member of my family who was tested +, another double vaxed member of my extended family is currently sat in his house with a + test, I think I'll stick with Geert Vanden Bossche and his alternative science, I've just about had a f*ck full of 2 years offishul government science, are we still on his couple of weeks to flatten the curve ?, there are many peer reviewed decorated scientists out there who have been shut out of this pandemic and after 2 years of Johnson Whitty and Valance in trying to bring this under control, isn't it about time that a fresh view was sought ?.
My sister lives in Scotland and my parents have just moved up there, albeit the Highlands so maybe a little different to more populated areas. Masks are pretty common up that way, basically everybody in the supermarket but I don't think the 'community' stuff ever really stopped when there was lockdown elsewhere. That being said, there were long periods of time where they didn't have a case within 10 miles of them so I can see why.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Can't understand people with your line of thinking regarding 9999 analogy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew
Bottom 3 teams get relegated in football but 4th from bottom doesn't thinking. Weird mun