City support from the Cardiff area's?

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

That's pretty impressive considering the Covid factor. We also have great away support too.

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Logic would indicate that if they were consistent, a certain poster will soon turn up and claim that great away support isn't really great due to not being made up of Cardiff based fans, despite having zero evidence for their case.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Well if you think Cardiff City is represented in South East Wales and particularly in Cardiff in the same way Portsmouth are down that way I will have some of what you are smoking

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Show me where I said that.

You can keep what you are smoking.

It is well known on here you won't lose an argument, even sometimes when it os clear you are you are losing one, you turn into the shhouty man who shouts lounder and more frequently than everybody else so win by default...


As you were.

We in the Taunton Bluebirds Group (aka TBG) hold our meetings in a local phone box and without having to remove the defibrillator or paperbacks. My fellow car-sharer to City games takes the tap end.

Birmingham City is a weird one as well.
Second biggest city, but most of those who live in the area support Aston Villa.

There was a suggestion a few years ago that Aston Villa was the be rebranded as Aston Villa Birmingham. As they were the biggest club in Birmingham.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

there just doesn't seem to be that pride in coming from Cardiff that Swansea people have for example

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Really? I've always thought Cardiff people have great pride in the city, mirrored by those who come to Cardiff from outside.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Really? I've always thought Cardiff people have great pride in the city, mirrored by those who come to Cardiff from outside.

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Well people will come to Cardiff to work and study and end up staying but I don't think that's got anything at all to do with the pride cardiffians have , or don't have , in their city

That's the same for most places

I prefer Cardiff to Bristol but lots of people go there and end up staying

For a city of its size Cardiff has lots to do but I don't get the feeling it's close to its citizens hearts in the same way Newcastle is

The football team , the rugby team , the poor live music scene , its almost as if people can't be arsed

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Originally Posted by Armitage Shanks

Birmingham City is a weird one as well.
Second biggest city, but most of those who live in the area support Aston Villa.

There was a suggestion a few years ago that Aston Villa was the be rebranded as Aston Villa Birmingham. As they were the biggest club in Birmingham.

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Villa are basically the man United of the west Midlands and are disliked by Birmingham, West Brom and wolves fans for the attention they get

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Show me where I said that.

You can keep what you are smoking.

It is well known on here you won't lose an argument, even sometimes when it os clear you are you are losing one, you turn into the shhouty man who shouts lounder and more frequently than everybody else so win by default...


As you were.

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You have said that as this has been your contribution to this thread . I can only debate with you what you put on the table .

Cardiff City are poorly supported in general and the support from the local population has never been very good .

That's the way it is .

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Originally Posted by logic

Logic would indicate that if they were consistent, a certain poster will soon turn up and claim that great away support isn't really great due to not being made up of Cardiff based fans, despite having zero evidence for their case.

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Our away support is great so I have to disagree with you there

Being from CF5 here's my take on it.
In Cardiff we have a City divided by sport football and rugby.
I'm obviously football and find as soon as you go over Canton bridge into town as a Cardiff City fan there are many places you are not welcome ridiculous in your own city.
Also I think many, not all, Cardiff blues/Rugby fans hate us so won't cross the divide and so it's easier to be a plastic Manu or Liverpool fan.
We've always had a decent support from Ely and some of the older heads I know say when we were really shit Cardiff was the predominant support for the club.

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Originally Posted by insider

Being from CF5 here's my take on it.
In Cardiff we have a City divided by sport football and rugby.
I'm obviously football and find as soon as you go over Canton bridge into town as a Cardiff City fan there are many places you are not welcome ridiculous in your own city.
Also I think many, not all, Cardiff blues/Rugby fans hate us so won't cross the divide and so it's easier to be a plastic Manu or Liverpool fan.
We've always had a decent support from Ely and some of the older heads I know say when we were really shit Cardiff was the predominant support for the club.

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I don’t think cardiff blues are our competition in any way at all. They seem to attract older people from what I’ve seen. They pull about 5000?

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Originally Posted by goats

I don’t think cardiff blues are our competition in any way at all. They seem to attract older people from what I’ve seen. They pull about 5000?

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Cardiff blues /Rugby
You know Welsh Rugby top on on a Saturday Manu/Liverpool top on on a Super Sunday

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Originally Posted by insider

Cardiff blues /Rugby
You know Welsh Rugby top on on a Saturday Manu/Liverpool top on on a Super Sunday

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I understand the point you are making. It does seem that plenty of people who live in the city don't identify with it in the same way that a person from swansea might identify with their City. It could be down to Cardiff being a capital city, more pressure to dilute the actual culture of the city in order to dhow a more representation towards Wales, especially over the past 20 years or so, maybe since the birth of the senedd. Who knows.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzMIgg0tXT0

These Boys are representing, Sludge :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzMIgg0tXT0

These Boys are representing, Sludge :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzMIgg0tXT0

These Boys are representing, Sludge :hehe:

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For real bruh!

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

For real bruh!

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I enjoyed it, especially the lads from Barry :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

I understand the point you are making. It does seem that plenty of people who live in the city don't identify with it in the same way that a person from swansea might identify with their City. It could be down to Cardiff being a capital city, more pressure to dilute the actual culture of the city in order to dhow a more representation towards Wales, especially over the past 20 years or so, maybe since the birth of the senedd. Who knows.

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It can't be overestimated just how much our violent fan base had in alienating CCFC in the city though. It was massive. During the 80's the old Cardiff Rugby Club was well supported and was felt like a 'safe' place to go for anyone. You could only get international rugby tickets if you were a member of a club (in fact when I was a nipper most people who went to the rugby were members or played). We were a nightmare and disliked. This has been hard to shrug off but it's happening. I speak to cabbies who still think we kick the sh*t out of each other on a Saturday!

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

I enjoyed it, especially the lads from Barry :hehe:

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Me too!:xmasthumbup::xmasthumbup:

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

There's nothing more fetching than seeing pot-bellied men in their fifties shoe-horned into football tops that are designed for much fitter specimens.

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Is this you looking in the mirror just before leaving the house on a matchday 🙂

Edit - just remembered that you're in your 60s

You should only wear the football top of your era.......I’m currently on the settee in a chocolate & amber number.

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Originally Posted by splott parker

You should only wear the football top of your era.......I’m currently on the settee in a chocolate & amber number.

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That sounds so very wrong.

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

It can't be overestimated just how much our violent fan base had in alienating CCFC in the city though. It was massive. We were a nightmare and disliked. This has been hard to shrug off but it's happening. I speak to cabbies who still think we kick the sh*t out of each other on a Saturday!

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I agree, it was a nightmare, it was bloody good fun though :xmasthumbup:

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Originally Posted by stan butler

Back in the 80s and 90s i remember City having a very good following from the Docks , Ely and Llanrumney area's.
Do these places still have a big interest in watching the city?
What other parts of Cardiff follow us in good numbers?

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We Llanrumney boys was always there still are..

Fight anyone .

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

It can't be overestimated just how much our violent fan base had in alienating CCFC in the city though. It was massive. During the 80's the old Cardiff Rugby Club was well supported and was felt like a 'safe' place to go for anyone. You could only get international rugby tickets if you were a member of a club (in fact when I was a nipper most people who went to the rugby were members or played). We were a nightmare and disliked. This has been hard to shrug off but it's happening. I speak to cabbies who still think we kick the sh*t out of each other on a Saturday!

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Like alluded to at the start of this thread, those nutters seemed to be our main core of support when I started going, 1987 time. Large gangs from different suburbs ( the docks, Ely, llanrumney, llanishen, Whitchurch ) and lots of trouble as a result. A lot of this agro disappeared in the rave years replacing the huge gang fights that regularly used to take place on the weekend in town at 2am.
I think our fan base has widened around wales since but not so much in the capital itself. Being quite cosmopolitan and having lots of students, English folk and Europeans maybe there’s no natural instinct to go and follow us.

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Originally Posted by insider

Being from CF5 here's my take on it.
In Cardiff we have a City divided by sport football and rugby.
I'm obviously football and find as soon as you go over Canton bridge into town as a Cardiff City fan there are many places you are not welcome ridiculous in your own city.
Also I think many, not all, Cardiff blues/Rugby fans hate us so won't cross the divide and so it's easier to be a plastic Manu or Liverpool fan.
We've always had a decent support from Ely and some of the older heads I know say when we were really shit Cardiff was the predominant support for the club.

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Well my experience , especially away from home in the first time in the old fourth division that for many trips we would have about 250 away fans and 3 coaches , about 150 , would come from Bridgend , Barry and Pontypridd

Two coaches were run by Mike Lambert , originally from Aberdare then Bridgend , Mike Pearce from Barry and the third coach was valleys run by roy and mair daniel from Pontypridd.

And these coaches would all meet at ninian Park and they would be full of fans from outside Cardiff before they got there

For most of the games that was it , about 3 coaches , most of the people on them from outside Cardiff. On our coach we would often have a group of lads from port Talbot and Porthcawl.

I think it's fair to say our away fans then , as now we're very loyal to ccfc and most of them were not from Cardiff

There are loyal fans from Cardiff it's just that as with our crowds, there are not enough of them . Far too many people from this part of the world find excuses not to get behind CCFC . Tony Clemo might not have been everybody's favourite chairman but he said as much many years ago .

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Originally Posted by goats

Like alluded to at the start of this thread, those nutters seemed to be our main core of support when I started going, 1987 time. Large gangs from different suburbs ( the docks, Ely, llanrumney, llanishen, Whitchurch ) and lots of trouble as a result. A lot of this agro disappeared in the rave years replacing the huge gang fights that regularly used to take place on the weekend in town at 2am.
I think our fan base has widened around wales since but not so much in the capital itself. Being quite cosmopolitan and having lots of students, English folk and Europeans maybe there’s no natural instinct to go and follow us.

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My young life was connected to so much conflict , in the playground, streets, between estates, football , police ,school it was everywhere, we go to the City games in groups looking for a rubble with anyone??

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Originally Posted by life on mars

My young life was connected to so much conflict , in the playground, streets, between estates, football , police ,school it was everywhere, we go to the City games in groups looking for a rubble with anyone??

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Rubble... Barney...Rhyming Slang?

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Rubble... Barney...Rhyming Slang?

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Betty never!

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Originally Posted by The Bloop

Is this you looking in the mirror just before leaving the house on a matchday ��

Edit - just remembered that you're in your 60s

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I have many problems but I don't wear football shirts as match-going apparel, old fruit :-)

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Originally Posted by life on mars

My young life was connected to so much conflict , in the playground, streets, between estates, football , police ,school it was everywhere, we go to the City games in groups looking for a rubble with anyone??

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Didn't anyone cut you any slack? Or were you hard core? It must have taken some grit.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

My young life was connected to so much conflict , in the playground, streets, between estates, football , police ,school it was everywhere, we go to the City games in groups looking for a rubble with anyone??

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“Stone me” as Anthony Aloysius would say:xmashehe:

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Originally Posted by goats

Like alluded to at the start of this thread, those nutters seemed to be our main core of support when I started going, 1987 time. Large gangs from different suburbs ( the docks, Ely, llanrumney, llanishen, Whitchurch ) and lots of trouble as a result. A lot of this agro disappeared in the rave years replacing the huge gang fights that regularly used to take place on the weekend in town at 2am.
I think our fan base has widened around wales since but not so much in the capital itself. Being quite cosmopolitan and having lots of students, English folk and Europeans maybe there’s no natural instinct to go and follow us.

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I think it's really interesting and we all have different experiences. Reading the thread and seeing the vid that Tuerto posted, Sludges comments, and my own experience living where I do, there are a few things that have sprung to mind.

For me, following The City has always been about it being Cardiff but maybe that dynamic has/is changing a lot. What am I trying to say? When I go to watch Wales, then that's Welsh football for me. When I go and watch the Cymru Premier, that's Welsh football too. When I go and watch us, it's Cardiff (this is my personal feeling I'm not trying to say it's right or wrong). I had a discussion recently about this (can't remember the thread) and it got a bit confused becasue I raised this issue of us playing in the EFL. I know the history and everything but do people think that this has become more confusing as the years have gone on (not suggesting I want us to be out of the EFL I'm just raising issues of identity here). There are lots of English people I've spoken to or taken to matches over the years who have been put off by anti-English chants or even the 'Welshness' of our club and didn't feel connected.

I'm not trying to stir anything up but I do think we are a confusing club for a lot of football people and wonder if this is a good or bad thing? I think for a lot of support outside of the city it's about a Welsh club, in the city, there's probably a mix (as I said, I never really feel connected as a Welsh club but that's just me). I'm just chucking this stuff out there as part of the discussion not to start any arguments. I find it interesting.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzMIgg0tXT0

These Boys are representing, Sludge :hehe:

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Not seen that before….:xmasayatollah:
Not sure what sludge is on about with regard to away games, lots of cardiff boys always there we usually went in the train. Hardly ever in a coach….that was for old people:xmashehe:

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Originally Posted by goats

lots of cardiff boys always there we usually went in the train. Hardly ever in a coach….that was for old people:xmashehe:

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Train was were it was at :xmasthumbup: 1st train out of central, always gave you plenty of time to get anywhere for a 3pm KO

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

I think it's really interesting and we all have different experiences. Reading the thread and seeing the vid that Tuerto posted, Sludges comments, and my own experience living where I do, there are a few things that have sprung to mind.

For me, following The City has always been about it being Cardiff but maybe that dynamic has/is changing a lot. What am I trying to say? When I go to watch Wales, then that's Welsh football for me. When I go and watch the Cymru Premier, that's Welsh football too. When I go and watch us, it's Cardiff (this is my personal feeling I'm not trying to say it's right or wrong). I had a discussion recently about this (can't remember the thread) and it got a bit confused becasue I raised this issue of us playing in the EFL. I know the history and everything but do people think that this has become more confusing as the years have gone on (not suggesting I want us to be out of the EFL I'm just raising issues of identity here). There are lots of English people I've spoken to or taken to matches over the years who have been put off by anti-English chants or even the 'Welshness' of our club and didn't feel connected.

I'm not trying to stir anything up but I do think we are a confusing club for a lot of football people and wonder if this is a good or bad thing? I think for a lot of support outside of the city it's about a Welsh club, in the city, there's probably a mix (as I said, I never really feel connected as a Welsh club but that's just me). I'm just chucking this stuff out there as part of the discussion not to start any arguments. I find it interesting.

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English mates of mine from college days loved coming to watch Cardiff with me up north

They were all fans of the big clubs and actually went to watch them but said watching cardiff was a bizarre experience and they loved it

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Originally Posted by goats

Not seen that before….:xmasayatollah:
Not sure what sludge is on about with regard to away games, lots of cardiff boys always there we usually went in the train. Hardly ever in a coach….that was for old people:xmashehe:

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Not up north in places like Rochdale, Bury , Doncaster

A few might have gone by train but most fans went by coach

Apart from the bigger games our following was only a couple of hundred in the dungeon

Of course we would take loads to Hereford or a big cup game by train but for normal games we would have about 20 or 30 on the train and I know that because I was living up north at the time and travelled by train and would join the escort to get back to the station

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Originally Posted by blue matt

Train was were it was at :xmasthumbup: 1st train out of central, always gave you plenty of time to get anywhere for a 3pm KO

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Train was fine for Hereford or Exeter but when we had 250 up at Rotherham to get trounced 3 nil there certainly were not loads on the train

We played Bury on a Saturday in 1989 , May , took mates from college , there were 300 there if we were being kind , coaches , cars and minibuses , 50 on the train ? .....I Dont remember a big escort back to Manchester Victoria Station

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

London has 6 EPL clubs. 3 of them are amongst the biggest clubs in the country and the 4th is not too far behind. How many Brentford, QPR, Orient or Wimbledon fans have you met?

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I should have been clearer, I meant people from other parts of the UK that have moved to London - which is the majority of people I know in London generally.

But in terms of the London clubs you’ve named, I’ve met an Orient and a QPR fan. No Wimbledon, I worked with someone that was from there but followed Brighton (family). I had family here that followed Brentford but don’t think that counts.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Well my experience , especially away from home in the first time in the old fourth division that for many trips we would have about 250 away fans and 3 coaches , about 150 , would come from Bridgend , Barry and Pontypridd

Two coaches were run by Mike Lambert , originally from Aberdare then Bridgend , Mike Pearce from Barry and the third coach was valleys run by roy and mair daniel from Pontypridd.

And these coaches would all meet at ninian Park and they would be full of fans from outside Cardiff before they got there

For most of the games that was it , about 3 coaches , most of the people on them from outside Cardiff. On our coach we would often have a group of lads from port Talbot and Porthcawl.

I think it's fair to say our away fans then , as now we're very loyal to ccfc and most of them were not from Cardiff

There are loyal fans from Cardiff it's just that as with our crowds, there are not enough of them . Far too many people from this part of the world find excuses not to get behind CCFC . Tony Clemo might not have been everybody's favourite chairman but he said as much many years ago .

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Mike Pearce!!!! Haven't heard of him for absolutely years. Anyone know how he's doing in Scotland?