in fairness Harris has only been 23 for 1 week, most of those games were when he was 22Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
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in fairness Harris has only been 23 for 1 week, most of those games were when he was 22Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
I’m 66 for two more weeks, nothing to do with Harris but gives me an opportunity to throw this in:old::Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
He’s been involved in the first team squad for 2 and a half seasons and has played over 30 first team games before Morison took over. He’s hardly in the same bracket as the others mentioned who either Mick or Morison gave their debuts to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
2 and a half seasons? I thought he was at Wrexham for much of 2019/20? He only really broke into the first team last season when he suddenly appeared against QPR/LutonQuote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Yeah my mistake, I thought he broke in under Harris. Either way, my point still stands, he’s broken into the first team and played enough games long before Morison for him to be taking any of the credit.Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
That’s up for debate. He said he “dropped” Evans for Isaac Davies. More negative language he didn’t need to use.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo
Technically, he broke in under Warnock against Fulham in the FA cup 1-2 loss at CCS in Jan 2017.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
He also played in The Championship that season against Wigan and Huddersfield. Who'd have thought it was Warnock? The reason I checked is I thought I was going mad because I had this vague image of watching him play and Warnock being the manager. I thought my mind was playing tricks on me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew
Edit: it is because I'm now posting to myself!
Mark Harris's birthday is in December so he was 18 when he played those three matches in 2017.
We must have had a lot of injuries at the time :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew
Also if we're looking at Morison's man management of youngsters, didn't he start Zimba, haul him off at half time then boot him back to the U23's for the next game and every game since?
He did. I support Morison but some of his comments and actions have been questionable recently. Bit surprised at how well Harris was sent back to us by Wrexham as presumably they though he wasn’t good enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
And said he wasn’t good enough, lost the ball every time he had it.etc, etcQuote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
Why he needs to share this with the media I don’t know. By all means go through it with the young players, where they went wrong, what they can do better.etc it’s all part of their development but I really can’t understand why he needs to stamp his authority on them in public too. Not least because he doesn’t do it with the senior players.
He DID start him though, I seem to recall that afterwards he said that with Moore out players such as Collins or Harris were probably expecting to start, but he put Zimba in because he thought he was the best one to play the way he wanted to play.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
It wasn't really working by half time though and we needed to change the game.
From memory Zimba did struggle to get into the game, he also talked about sitting down and going through every minute of the game with him personally afterwards and im sure something along the lines of needing to get the basics right was also mentioned.
Perhaps on a personal level he's a lot more encouraging and supportive towards the youngsters.
It is very unusual, almost jarring, to hear a manager so brutally honest to the media - perhaps Mourihnio when he starts losing the plot, hopefully it doesn't mean he starts to lose the dressing room or hold back the youngsters.
The things he's said probably aren't far wrong though.
Thing is all of those were about seasoned professionals and none of the were as humiliating as "he was more of a hindrance than a help"Quote:
Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanton
What a awful choice of languageQuote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
Having just read those, even Ferguson's seem lame compared to Morison about Davies. I don't really care if he's doing the right thing behind the scenes. He needs to do the right thing in front of the camera/mic too.Quote:
Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanton
As Delm pointed out the comments were about seasoned pros, multi-million pound seasoned pros at that.
Yes I think we were all really surprised by how harsh he was, and from the outside it looks like terrible management. We don't see the whole picture though, by far the most important thing is how he interacts with them personally after this - still I hope he gets better at this side of the job if he's going to be here much longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew
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Originally Posted by Rjk
I’m in the same place (or similar it seems) as you. There may be (maybe not) a lot more to it but I’m not going to quickly join a kangaroo court based on the relativey little I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
As for the Ferguson comments on them all being ‘seasoned pro’s’… although Jonny Evans was only 22 when it happens…. then I don’t see the relevance, unless of course people become better able to deal with the mental side if things with age… I’d suggest there is plenty of evidence out there to show that that is probably not the case
Yeah but the Jonny Evans thing was a coach shouting at a player from the sideline, not humiliating him in the press, very different in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanton
I do get your point about not joining a kangaroo court though, it's just I think our manager comes across as very touchy and a bit too quick to throw people under the bus for my liking
I’ve always thought that Football Management in this country is a very difficult job.
You need control coaching, identify transfers, Man manage the players, dictate tactics and deal with the press conferences. Each of these requires a very different skills set.
Morison was brought in as to manage the U23s, which would be a pressured role, but would potentially remove the pressures of dealing with transfers and dealing with the press (to the level that he has to in the first team).
Maybe what we are seeing now is that he is being too honest when answering the direct questions at a press conference and saying it as he’s sees it, whilst then also hanging the player out to dry.
Of course we have seen many fan upset at managers who just answer with the formulaic boring answers at press conferences, these managers are seen as blinkered fools by the fan base.
He didn't have an impact on the game and lost the ball. "Hauled off". He was subbed mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
In an interview not long after he said how they talked about the game and what he needed to work on etc.
Agree entirely , you can see he has ability by the way he runs and moves , great prospect reminds me of a young Bellars .Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
in my opinion he's just had an episode, an outburst based on his relationship with the players that he has criticised publicly. I don't think that this situation is complicated. He must be looking for a reaction of some sorts. It's a pretty dangerous game to play in my opinion. An opinion from those in the Professional ranks would be interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
Is there perhaps a possibility that Morison's not the brightest bulb in the chandelier? Based on his interviews and press conferences to date, I believe the chances of that are more than reasonable.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
Danny Gabbidon is a big Davies fan. He didn’t go as far as criticising Morison but he did shoot down a journalist on Twitter who was defending Morison and claimed no one in football knows Davies better than Morison.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Morison has a reputation for being outspoken from his time as a player, he certainly didn’t hold back against Millwall fans if he had a bee in his bonnet about something. I remember in play off final when they won and some Millwall fans invaded Wembley pitch he got into an argument with some of them and then told Sky that the fans had “ruined the day”.
Nothing wrong with that in the work place imo, when you are a player / employee, but as someone said earlier management is a different skill set. Whilst some honesty is more refreshing than the usual cliches, or blaming officials rather than yourself or the players, but as a manager you have to have people on side. You start throwing your team under the bus every time something doesn’t go to plan and don’t take any responsibility yourself then you will soon lose the dressing room. Especially when only digging out the junior members of the team, that’s the biggest issue for me.
If I had a manger who kept digging out the junior members of the team when I knew there was senior members not performing well I wouldn’t sit there and say nothing. I’d happily go to bag against management.
Probably why I never got to go into management in my job :hehe:
Have listened to this week’s EJFOF and Bit of a Swazz, the reaction of the six people involved was uniformly negative towards Morison’s treatment of Isaak Davies. Those six include ex pros Danny Gabbidon, Iwan Roberts and Nathan Blake - Gabbs is involved in on the agent front with Isaak in some way I believe, so you might think he was biased, but, if anything, his criticism was milder than Blake and Roberts with the last named saying he didn’t think Davies did much wrong while he was on.
Really, the former players all said much the same as many fans have - why not dig out the under performing senior players, why say what he did in public and was it trying to take the attention away from some of his decisions?
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Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Good points. Morison is still on a steep learning curve and might do well to take on board the criticism and put it down to experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by qccfc
Quite possibly but there have been plenty of highly successful managers who come across as a bit two short planks but are very good at managing football teams. It helps if they have a good team around them.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
The only fair outcome here is if Tan comes out and says that recently Morison's been more of a hindrance than a help