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I was just pointing out that the very few remaining veterans of that conflict who put their lives on the line against Hitler's tyranny are unlikely to be the people Doucas was having a go at when he referenced the "elderly".Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
Probably didn't need the "the fighting Hitler so that you could shit yellow" bit to make your point.
Wonder what the cut off age is in Doucas’s world to still be eligible for an opinion and a vote?Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
I guess at 75 years of age I might not be eligible. As part of the baby-boomer generation I am used to being accused of many things but now it seems that I may somehow be implicated in the Russian invasion of Ukraine as well!Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
On a lighter note, my 8 year old son, diagnosed as autistic, came in to see me about half an hour ago. He was worried about the Russian thing. I asked him what he was worried about. He said he didn't know what was going to happen to the Russian Grand Prix...
According to General Petraeus, ex CIA director and former US Arny Commander on both Iraq and Afghanistan, Russia are not getting it all their own way.
Early days yet but he is impressed with how tough the Ukrainians are
Ukranian Men between the age of 18 and 60 have been stopped from leaving the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
How frightening must that be for them. Horrible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue
My thoughts have been with a lovely and educated Ukrainian couple whose home I couchsurfed in Kiev a few years ago. I exchanged messages with them this morning and they are obviously very fearful.
Utterly terrifying I would think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
I hope that the vast majority would have stayed by choice.
This is beyond heartbreaking though.
https://twitter.com/petergyang/statu...egt1SP7QQ&s=19
I'm just off to bed in tears having watched this. We have three of our grandchildren staying with us for a few days during half-term and I imagined my son having to say goodbye to them like that Ukrainian dad had to do to his little daughter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue
I'm sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
It does need to be seen though :(
Don’t get the EU’s attitude here, are they going to wait until Putin starts using nuclear weapons before they chuck Russia out of the Swift system?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...payment-system
It makes you wonder just how long the vast majority of human beings are continually gonna let the minority instil fear in them, and rule and ruin their lives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue
Nobody in their right mind wants war. Most folk anywhere in the world are peace loving.
Littered through history though, are power hungry psychopaths who manoeuvre themselves into power, and amazingly guide the fate of millions, causing mass murder and untold misery.
We really are lemming like, and readily willing to be lambs to the slaughter.
Same here. That ban on Russia should start immediately.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Bit harsh on Johnson that, he's more grossly negligent than a mass murderer.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
C'mon Bob, we all know we can't have the supply of Russian money that pours into London, Paris and Berlin really cut off?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Who would pay for the Tory party and keep Kensington as swish as it is?
That's got me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue
Makes me angry really.
It’s always been swish….I’m sure squatters in London are wandering around there now picking out which houses have just become freeQuote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
Yes we can't blame Biden or Johnson on this one. They both pressed for it. As did others such as Trudeau and the Polish leaderQuote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Germany is one of the main culprits apparently
13 Ukrainian soldiers tell a Russian warship to "go f**k themselves" in the face of certain death.
Meanwhile, Joe Biden says that "maybe we'll look at Swift in a month, see how it goes".
Reminds me of that old debate in history class, where we used to ask what other countries were doing while the Nazis were rolling over Europe.
That’s OK then. More whataboutery from Bojos fan boy. We are talking about Russia in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Ukrainian defence ministry: “We urge citizens to inform us of troop movements, to make Molotov cocktails, and neutralise the enemy.”
Truly grim. Although it has felt inevitable and after the Winter Olympics only a matter time, I haven’t felt so saddened and disgusted in a long time. Dark days, amongst many, for Europe.
I wish we lived in a world where they didn’t have to, but I hope the Ukrainian citizens and their army that have had to stay to protect their home go down kicking and screaming. I hope after I shuffle off this mortal coil they’ll be remembered for their bravery and that Putin will be recognised for the murderous tyrant he is.
Incredible. I can only imagine you are being satirical, which is harder than ever to tell in subjects of war and peace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
Should the Ukraine and it’s people just surrender tamely and prevent mass loss of life?We all know how outnumbered they are on all fronts. Or should they face fire with fire and fight till the death ?
It truly is a heartbreaking scenario.
Biden and Johnson want the Russian to be cut out of SWIFT now.Quote:
Originally Posted by FormerlyJohnnyBreadhead
It is Germany and some other European countries which are resisting it
****ing hell, wish I’d not watched that. HeartbreakingQuote:
Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue
Perhaps I am?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
It's hard to discount though that the UK once had an acting foreign secretary who went on the razzle at a Rusdian oligarchs Italian home. The same oligarch who was a mate of Putins and supported the annexation of the Crimea.
If you swim in the sewer, you'll obviously get covered in shit.
No wonder Putin thinks he's got the West in his pocket and they won't act strongly.
In defence of Johnson and to his credit, he has supported withdrawing the use of Swift from Russia
We can now await the Russia report with interest to see how much meddling Putin has had on UK politics?
As an aside Boris is revelling in this so he can play out his Churchill fetish.
Ukraine is the largest country in Europe with a population 45 million. A tame surrender is not even on the table, the Ukrainians genuinely feel they can win the war, no matter how foolish that may look on the outside.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
Well trident has been worth every penny
Now onto Ukraine
Poland was flattened and the nazis had a free ride around Europe
There is a very good TV documentary called The Nazis .....a warning from history!
Clearly the west has been sitting on its hands and no doubt will continue to do so !
No lessons learned whatsoever
Same.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927
It's 2022, if wired differently we could be healing the planet and spreading out into the cosmos for endless opportunity and adventure.
Instead people are still having to fight and die for a bit of land.
Doubt we will ever really change.
Western Countries Unite Against Russia ?
Which in reality means they are all united in doing the square root of f all !
America ....the world's policeman , Britain ....which does whatever America says
Oh look at us we have a brilliant army and all these fab weapons ......which are only ever used by the Saudis who we sold em to , to murder innocent Yeminis
What a shower of shite
Deterrent? Nato ?
It's about as much use as a chocolate saucepan
The west and doing f allQuote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
All the weapons
America
Britain
The EU
All full of hot air
Evil prevails when good men do nothing
It's a joke , the whole edifice of western democracy is being laid bare for what it is
Hot air
What do you think we should do? Both as the UK and collectively as the west?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I don't have an answer. I really don't know. We have to ask ourselves if the Ukraine is a hill we die upon.
A clever Russian once pointed out that while the earth is the cradle of humanity, it will become our grave too if we don't move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trigger
I think we are all collectively taking part in a big game where humanity has been given finite resources on earth and we need to use them wisely to establish ourselves elsewhere if we want to survive. My own thoughts only, but I wonder if infinite other civilisations have had this task across the universe and an infinite number of them have failed and an infinite number of them have managed it.
Half of the world seems hell-bent on hindering the other half at the moment.
Don't spend loads of money playing toy soldiersQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
The shit has been flying for years
The West should have good big forces in there long before now
The West has no answer to jihadi terrorism
But a multi national peacekeeping force , with the clear warning that force would be used would have been a start
But it's all caught up in this nato membership bollocks 🙄
It's all bullshit
The EU and NATO should have said bloody weeks ago as Russian forces were building up on the border through January, if you invade this country which has had not attacked you we will join in and push you out. That’s the whole point of these alliances, the UN, etc, etc to stop a madman doing what they like.
Threatening them with and carrying out sanctions will have months to take effect, by then 1000’s will have died.
Pot kettle black I guess as Bush and Blair invaded Iraq 20 years ago so maybe these western governments don’t want to get dirty again.
It’s just humanity at the moment, nutter tyrants out there still hell bent on causing havoc.
It's pathetic , politicians full of crapQuote:
Originally Posted by Monster munch
We have a great army !
There is trouble going on over there ....
Sorry , our hands are tied
All cobblers
Not according to thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60521822
I know, I'm more making the point that Western governments are happy to talk the talk but in reality are doing very little within their means to walk the walk. And the casual nature of Biden's answer encapsulates that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
Here’s Bojo being told we needed to increase our weaponry and soldiers last November because of the increased likelihood of this conflict. Instead him and this government has cut them to the bone https://twitter.com/adambienkov/stat...552671744?s=21