Starmer will be investigated by Durham Police ( crazy why now )

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Originally Posted by Tito Fuente

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No I don't think so. It made industrial tools not sauce.

https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2021/0...sity-nickname/

https://labourheartlands.com/keir-st...little-grifts/

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

No I don't think so. It made industrial tools not sauce.

https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2021/0...sity-nickname/

https://labourheartlands.com/keir-st...little-grifts/

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Neither of those links show any evidence that his father owned a factory.

The first one says that he owned his own business (nothing about owning a factory) but doesn't provide any evidence.

The second one just says that he owned a factory without backing that claim up. I don't think that's enough information for you to be declaring that Kier Starmer's father owned a factory and Kier Starmer has been misleading with his comments.

I've done a bit of Googling and there isn't any evidence online of his dad owning a factory.

A Conservative blog and a pro-Corbyn blog saying Starmer's dad was not a factory worker is not evidence that his dad owned a factory, unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

No I don't think so. It made industrial tools not sauce.

https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2021/0...sity-nickname/

https://labourheartlands.com/keir-st...little-grifts/

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He belongs to a very strange group that Henry Kissinger and Jeffrey Epstein also had association with its some form of globalist thing ??? God knows how you get an application form ?


https://dorseteye.com/what-mystery-o...ave-in-common/

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Originally Posted by life on mars

He belongs to a very strange group that Henry Kissinger and Jeffrey Epstein also had association with its some form of globalist thing ??? God knows how you get an application form ?


https://dorseteye.com/what-mystery-o...ave-in-common/

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"It's some form of globalist thing ???"

Please, continue and enlighten us.

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Originally Posted by Tito Fuente

Neither of those links show any evidence that his father owned a factory.

The first one says that he owned his own business (nothing about owning a factory) but doesn't provide any evidence.

The second one just says that he owned a factory without backing that claim up. I don't think that's enough information for you to be declaring that Kier Starmer's father owned a factory and Kier Starmer has been misleading with his comments.

I've done a bit of Googling and there isn't any evidence online of his dad owning a factory.

A Conservative blog and a pro-Corbyn blog saying Starmer's dad was not a factory worker is not evidence that his dad owned a factory, unfortunately.

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So because the 2 reports, from either end of te political spectrum, disagree with your politics you refuse to believe there may be some truth in them.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

So because the 2 reports, from either end of te political spectrum, disagree with your politics you refuse to believe there may be some truth in them.

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No, I refuse to believe that there may be some truth in them because they have provided no evidence to back up their claims. I don't like to believe everything I read without there being sources and evidence to back up the information.

Why do you believe that he was lying about his father? Is it because it suits your politics?

Anyone can make an unverified claim on the internet. I could start an anti-xsnaggle blog and include a piece about how xsnaggle drowns puppies in his spare time - but that doesn't make it true.

Do you not think that if the claims that his father owned a factory was true then it would have come to light in one of the mainstream right-wing tabloids by now? I mean, it would be pretty easy to find out for any journalist and would make a great story about how the leader of the opposition has been lying to the public about his roots.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

I think if you check you'll find that the factory he worked in was in fact owned by Mr Starmer.

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Lol

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

I think if you check you'll find that the factory he worked in was in fact owned by Mr Starmer.

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He was employed as a toolmaker he did not own it.

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Originally Posted by jeepster

He was employed as a toolmaker he did not own it.

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Plenty of stuff on this if you google which suggests the factory was owned by Starmer's father but no hard evidence.

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Originally Posted by DryCleaning

that is because you are left leaning and therefore you'll not have common ground with Johnson. You also ignore the crux of my point entirely. Johnson never criticises anyone else for their own perceived (lack of) moral compass, which means he doesn't leave himself exposed for the same kind of criticism Starmer now finds himself subject to. If you are going to claim the moral high ground, you really do need no skeletons in the closet.

I quite like Starmer, but if he is issued with a FPN, its going to be hard for him to remain in post.

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Spot on Starmer has dug himself a hole and keeps on digging he was so stupid.

Technically Boris had a cake in his house and workplace with work colleagues (mostly), Starmer travelled miles and had beer and curry with other people who had all travelled from other parts of the country (far greater covid risk), reports some were drunk, so worse.

I think he'll get off and not be found guilty, but the damage has been done, he's just the same as Boris and the rest, one rule for them one rule for rest, although I'm amazed that their are some people that thought any different?

Boris will hope Starmer keeps his job, he's boring with no personality and voters aren't taking to him, and now he can't even claim the moral high ground.

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Originally Posted by Vindec

Plenty of stuff on this if you google which suggests the factory was owned by Starmer's father but no hard evidence.

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Plenty of stuff on how 5G causes COVID if you Google it but no hard evidence.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Spot on Starmer has dug himself a hole and keeps on digging he was so stupid.

Technically Boris had a cake in his house and workplace with work colleagues (mostly), Starmer travelled miles and had beer and curry with other people who had all travelled from other parts of the country (far greater covid risk), reports some were drunk, so worse.

I think he'll get off and not be found guilty, but the damage has been done, he's just the same as Boris and the rest, one rule for them one rule for rest, although I'm amazed that their are some people that thought any different?

Boris will hope Starmer keeps his job, he's boring with no personality and voters aren't taking to him, and now he can't even claim the moral high ground.

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Just the same, although one made the rules, one told the country pretty much daily to follow them, and one lied to parliament about it.

Can't remember which one that is, they're so similar.

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Originally Posted by blue matt

lets be honest here, its all a farce

but lets look at the scenario

a group of people all sit in the same room / office working ( which was in the rules if they felt they couldnt work from home )

the same group order a Indian takeaway and beer / wine , now they sit down with the same people as they have spent the day with and eat that curry and drink a beer or 2, this is now wrong

I know we had Covid rules for a purpose, but lets have some common sense, the above scenario shows it was a joke in some instances

now its happened to both party leaders, maybe its to put it to bed, Boris has apologised and isn't going to resign, Starmer can do the same and maybe both get on with doing the jobs they are paid to do

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I've always agreed that it's a storm in a teacup, neither should have offered to resign, travelling miles and meeting different people from all different parts of the country is more of a covid risk though, but it was for a by-election so had to happen, we need some common sense lot's of people broke covid rules like five mile travel etc.

give people a plausible option and they will believe what they want, no matter how many mental gymnastics are required to get there.

since the downing Street parties issue started having an impact on the opinion polls toy can guarantee that the Tories have been desperately searching for something similar, no matter how weak, to tar Kier Starmer with. they've hit upon a pretty weak example tbh but the tabloids are running with it and plenty of people who lean Tory but were not impressed by the downing Street parties will have convinced themselves that "they're all as bad as each other ".

this is the modern way, you don't need proof, you just need a counter narrative and people will fill in the gaps in their own heads.

Starmer will very likely be cleared by the Durham police, but the whole exercise will have served its purpose by then

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61389100

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Originally Posted by lardy

Just the same, although one made the rules, one told the country pretty much daily to follow them, and one lied to parliament about it.

Can't remember which one that is, they're so similar.

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One made the rules the other agreed to them, both told the country to follow them as did Drakeford in Wales, both have told parliament they don't think the broke the rules so the same. Only difference is one did it in his office with mostly people he worked with, the other travelled hundreds of miles and mixed with friends and colleagues who he doesn't normally work with, so greater chance of community transmission.

One said it's terrible and anyone doing it should resign when he knew he'd done the same himself, what a school boy error!

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Originally Posted by blue matt

lets be honest here, its all a farce

but lets look at the scenario

a group of people all sit in the same room / office working ( which was in the rules if they felt they couldnt work from home )

the same group order a Indian takeaway and beer / wine , now they sit down with the same people as they have spent the day with and eat that curry and drink a beer or 2, this is now wrong

I know we had Covid rules for a purpose, but lets have some common sense, the above scenario shows it was a joke in some instances

now its happened to both party leaders, maybe its to put it to bed, Boris has apologised and isn't going to resign, Starmer can do the same and maybe both get on with doing the jobs they are paid to do

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here is the False equivalence the Tories have been trying to sow.

one are some food with people he was working with and the other attended a succession of parties.

one has been found to have done wrong and fined, the other will almost certainly not be fined.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

One made the rules the other agreed to them, both told the country to follow them as did Drakeford in Wales, both have told parliament they don't think the broke the rules so the same. Only difference is one did it in his office with mostly people he worked with, the other travelled hundreds of miles and mixed with friends and colleagues who he doesn't normally work with, so greater chance of community transmission.

One said it's terrible and anyone doing it should resign when he knew he'd done the same himself, what a school boy error!

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Has Starmer said that in parliament?

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Originally Posted by Rjk

here is the False equivalence the Tories have been trying to sow.

one are some food with people he was working with and the other attended a succession of parties.

one has been found to have done wrong and fined, the other will almost certainly not be fined.

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In all seriousness though, do you think staff in the office giving Boris Johnson a cake on his birthday, in their own office, when he had been in intensive care and all the rest of it, is materially worse than what Starmer has done.

The parties in Downing St offices are something else and a worse situation, but thinking specifically about the cake?

My point is that neither scenario is the crime of the century

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

In all seriousness though, do you think staff in the office giving Boris Johnson a cake on his birthday, in their own office, when he had been in intensive care and all the rest of it, is materially worse than what Starmer has done.

The parties in Downing St offices are something else and a worse situation, but thinking specifically about the cake?

My point is that neither scenario is the crime of the century

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In all seriousness, given that you've surely written more words on this subject that anyone else on ccmb, do you think it's just about Johnson eating a cake?

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

In all seriousness though, do you think staff in the office giving Boris Johnson a cake on his birthday, in their own office, when he had been in intensive care and all the rest of it, is materially worse than what Starmer has done.

The parties in Downing St offices are something else and a worse situation, but thinking specifically about the cake?

My point is that neither scenario is the crime of the century

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Pretty similar by my reckoning without knowing everything about either event, the only difference being that although the rules might not have been materially too different from may 2020 to April 2021, peoples attitudes towards them and willingness to follow them was. I personally was sacrificing far more in may 2020 so it hits home more if 'they' weren't doing the same.

As you say though, cakegate is the tip of the iceberg in terms of downing Street.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

In all seriousness though, do you think staff in the office giving Boris Johnson a cake on his birthday, in their own office, when he had been in intensive care and all the rest of it, is materially worse than what Starmer has done.

The parties in Downing St offices are something else and a worse situation, but thinking specifically about the cake?

My point is that neither scenario is the crime of the century

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Intensive care, he nearly died. Do me a favour :hehe::hehe::hehe:

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Originally Posted by lardy

Has Starmer said that in parliament?

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Not sure if he's been in since, but he's told the World he didn't think he broke the rules the same as Boris, and when he is in he can't change his story now.

At the end of the day they are all the same, one rule for them one rule for us, but it's always been like that and always will be, people shouldn't expect any different.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Not sure if he's been in since, but he's told the World he didn't think he broke the rules the same as Boris, and when he is in he can't change his story now.

At the end of the day they are all the same, one rule for them one rule for us, but it's always been like that and always will be, people shouldn't expect any different.

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Saying it in parliament is the crucial part. That's why Johnson is being investigated by the privileges committee.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Not sure if he's been in since, but he's told the World he didn't think he broke the rules the same as Boris, and when he is in he can't change his story now.

At the end of the day they are all the same, one rule for them one rule for us, but it's always been like that and always will be, people shouldn't expect any different.

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of course the Tories want you to think that it's the same, but it's not even close, after months of scouring around to turn up any dirt on Starmer this is the best they could do, and they know Tory mugs everywhere will lap it up.
Starmer will not be fined and Johnson may have further damaging information to come out about his parties. this is all about lessening the blow on Johnson

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Originally Posted by Rjk

of course the Tories want you to think that it's the same, but it's not even close, after months of scouring around to turn up any dirt on Starmer this is the best they could do, and they know Tory mugs everywhere will lap it up.
Starmer will not be fined and Johnson may have further damaging information to come out about his parties. this is all about lessening the blow on Johnson

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It doesn't help your argument when you label people as mugs or when you make out it's 'only the Tories' trying to stir it up, when that is exactly what Labour were doing for months on end - and fair enough, as eventually the police intervened and subsequently fined people.

This is just the same in reverse. And people will make a judgement on it, just like the police will.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

of course the Tories want you to think that it's the same, but it's not even close, after months of scouring around to turn up any dirt on Starmer this is the best they could do, and they know Tory mugs everywhere will lap it up.
Starmer will not be fined and Johnson may have further damaging information to come out about his parties. this is all about lessening the blow on Johnson

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I think Starmer secreatly knows he's out of his depth and will be quietly happy to be found guilty out of the spotlight. If not he's finished before he's even had a chance to start, he went for the integrity and moral high ground and fell at the first hurdle, he's an amatuer politician.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

I think Starmer secreatly knows he's out of his depth and will be quietly happy to be found guilty out of the spotlight. If not he's finished before he's even had a chance to start, he went for the integrity and moral high ground and fell at the first hurdle, he's an amatuer politician.

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lol ok

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Originally Posted by Rjk

of course the Tories want you to think that it's the same, but it's not even close, after months of scouring around to turn up any dirt on Starmer this is the best they could do, and they know Tory mugs everywhere will lap it up.
Starmer will not be fined and Johnson may have further damaging information to come out about his parties. this is all about lessening the blow on Johnson

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What do you think Labour have been doing for months and how do you know that no more damaging information will come out about Starmers activities ? I would say that it is highly likely.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

I think Starmer secreatly knows he's out of his depth and will be quietly happy to be found guilty out of the spotlight. If not he's finished before he's even had a chance to start, he went for the integrity and moral high ground and fell at the first hurdle, he's an amatuer politician.

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And we’ve got a professional one as Prime Minister?

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Originally Posted by dml1954

What do you think Labour have been doing for months and how do you know that no more damaging information will come out about Starmers activities ? I would say that it is highly likely.

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Tell me, have you found Johnson guilty of all of the party related stuff he’s being investigated for, because you’ve already thrown away the key with Starmer or is it just all down to party politics with you?

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

And we’ve got a professional one as Prime Minister?

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He's very good at politics and spinning situations, people had factored in thats he's a bit of a joker and not the most honest politican, where as Starmer tried to be whiter than white when he's grey and best, with the curryboozeup gate he's basicaly played the whole situation completely wrong and it's completely backfired.

He should have kept quiet on the issue and his head down, that little fat scottish bloke would have brought it up so there was no need anyway?

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

He's very good at politics and spinning situations, people had factored in thats he's a bit of a joker and not the most honest politican, where as Starmer tried to be whiter than white when he's grey and best, with the curryboozeup gate he's basicaly played the whole situation completely wrong and it's completely backfired.

He should have kept quiet on the issue and his head down, that little fat scottish bloke would have brought it up so there was no need anyway?

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So you’re applying different standards to Johnson and Starmer?

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

So you’re applying different standards to Johnson and Starmer?

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No they can both have the same standards, but Starmer has injured himself saying look i'm honest and I won't have cake and happy birthday sung Boris has to resign, when he was having booze ups and curry, and now may have to resign or look dishonest and two faced if he does keep his job. He could have kept quiet and now said the same as Boris, I didnt think I was breaking any rules as we were just working together, it's such daft mistake?

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Originally Posted by Rjk

here is the False equivalence the Tories have been trying to sow.

one are some food with people he was working with and the other attended a succession of parties.

one has been found to have done wrong and fined, the other will almost certainly not be fined.

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and here is exactly why Starmer will go, just to give Labour supporters the moral high ground for a while

of course people can see its a farce, work all day with a group of people, that fine, order a takeaway / beer / birthday cake and eat it with the same people and its now against the law, common sense needs to prevail here, we have seen the leaked memo about the plans for a curry after the meeting, so it was planned, we have seen the pictures, while its not a smoking gun, its a bottle of beer in his hand and some Chicken Korma around his chops, yet we wait for the sue gray oh I mean police report :hehe:, apologise and move on

as I said, If Starmer is the guy to bring better lives to people in the UK ( and he could well be ), for him to fall on his sword over the above facial situation is just a joke, of course to some its great, the moral high ground for the next few years is that important to them

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Originally Posted by blue matt

of course people can see its a farce, work all day with a group of people, that fine, order a takeaway / beer / birthday cake and eat it with the same people and its now against the law,

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Do you think Carrie Johnson and the interior designer that they had picking out wallpaper both work at No. 10?

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Originally Posted by Tito Fuente

Do you think Carrie Johnson and the interior designer that they had picking out wallpaper both work at No. 10?

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One lives there the other was doing interior designing, and knowing Boris he was doing them both :hehe:

Starmer on the other hand was in an office miles away with no one that he works with every day, and a load of labour hangers on that were just there for the by-election consequently a far greater covid risk.

Both were pathetic and not worth all this fuss, both should have said sorry and moved on.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

One lives there the other was doing interior designing, and knowing Boris he was doing them both :hehe:

Starmer on the other hand was in an office miles away with no one that he works with every day, and a load of labour hangers on that were just there for the by-election consequently a far greater covid risk.

Both were pathetic and not worth all this fuss, both should have said sorry and moved on.

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One lives in No. 11 and the other one was interior designing in No. 11.

Starmer was in a Labour regional office doing work as leader of the Labour party and stopped for some food before continuing to work.

A lot of people struggling with the facts, it seems.

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Originally Posted by Tito Fuente

No, I refuse to believe that there may be some truth in them because they have provided no evidence to back up their claims. I don't like to believe everything I read without there being sources and evidence to back up the information.

Why do you believe that he was lying about his father? Is it because it suits your politics?

Anyone can make an unverified claim on the internet. I could start an anti-xsnaggle blog and include a piece about how xsnaggle drowns puppies in his spare time - but that doesn't make it true.

Do you not think that if the claims that his father owned a factory was true then it would have come to light in one of the mainstream right-wing tabloids by now? I mean, it would be pretty easy to find out for any journalist and would make a great story about how the leader of the opposition has been lying to the public about his roots.

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He might doit for the same reason that McCluskie failed to tell the complete truth about his education - - because it didn't fit with his protestations to the working class that he is "one of us".
Naw it couldn't be that could it, not from Mr whiter than white (except for the curry stain on his shirt) Starmer.

And how did you know I have a predilection for drowning puppies? Can't keep anything secret any more. :getscoat:

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

He might doit for the same reason that McCluskie failed to tell the complete truth about his education - - because it didn't fit with his protestations to the working class that he is "one of us".
Naw it couldn't be that could it, not from Mr whiter than white (except for the curry stain on his shirt) Starmer.

And how did you know I have a predilection for drowning puppies? Can't keep anything secret any more. :getscoat:

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Bizarre post.