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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
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Originally Posted by
PontBlue
It may or may not be true that the Trust failed to meet the FCA's requirements. That the Club justified its actions as a response to the provocative letter by stating that the "failure" was 6 years ago but they decided to take action now after regular dialogue in the intervening period just comes over as petty and churlish!
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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
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Originally Posted by
IanD
Oh bollocks to these cardiff city fans trying their best to promote ccfc in a positive way
In their spare time
Let's leave it to ccfc who when a multi racial painting of a cardiffian in a ccfc shirt appeared didn't want to be associated with it in case it caused ......reverse racism !
Down with the trust !
This club and a lot of its fans are a comedy act
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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Oh bollocks to these cardiff city fans trying their best to promote ccfc in a positive way
In their spare time
Let's leave it to ccfc who when a multi racial painting of a cardiffian in a ccfc shirt appeared didn't want to be associated with it in case it caused ......reverse racism !
Down with the trust !
This club and a lot of its fans are a comedy act
Yeh, reading their News page just recently they have been promoting how Cardiff fans can help support a local foodbank, the Ukraine Appeal and the March against Racism. Haven’t these nosey f*ckers got anything better to do with their time?
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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
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Originally Posted by
Baloo
Yeh, reading their News page just recently they have been promoting how Cardiff fans can help support a local foodbank, the Ukraine Appeal and the March against Racism. Haven’t these nosey f*ckers got anything better to do with their time?
I could do better says Mr A Hole , a regular contributor to CCMB
But he can't be bothered
Nor can his mates
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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
It may or may not be true that the Trust failed to meet the FCA's requirements. That the Club justified its actions as a response to the provocative letter by stating that the "failure" was 6 years ago but they decided to take action now after regular dialogue in the intervening period just comes over as petty and churlish!
Deregistered for failure to submit their annual returns.
https://mutuals.fca.org.uk/Search/Society/28230
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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
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Originally Posted by
William Treseder
What a load of fuss over nothing. The vast majority of fans of all clubs, just want to go to games, hope for a win, or at least a good performance, then win lose or draw, discuss the game over a few beers afterwards.
Supporters trusts, are made up of the small minority of nosey f*ckers who want to know the ins and outs of a cats arse.
Because they pay to go to games, they feel as though they’ve got the right to be involved in how the club is run.
Any supporter who thinks they aren’t just ‘customers’ are kidding themselves.
Nosey f*ckers 😂
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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
I mentioned earlier that he best you can hope given the ownership structure here is that a Trust can be a critical friend. It seems to me under that structure clubs take two roads. They either do the Jacks route sugaring the Trust members with enough seductive freebies that when it comes to selling out the Trust heirarchy don't realise that they've been conned until it's too late. Or you want to be seen as so independent that the club can swat you away like today's pronouncement. Either way the best that fans can hope for these days is to mould the edges.
It is a little ironic that the Derby County Trust appears to have a higher recognition with the FSA but didn't impede a 21 point deduction.
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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
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Originally Posted by
Der Kaiser
This is going to end with us back in red.
Back in the red??? Are we ever out of the red?:hehe:
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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
I could do better says Mr A Hole , a regular contributor to CCMB
But he can't be bothered
Nor can his mates
You have no idea of who i am, or what i do for charity. That’s got nothing to do with you,
You seem to appear in every thread on here spouting your nonsense. I stand by what i said. The majority of fans of all clubs just want to go to the game, then go home and get on with their lives till the next game.
If you pay to go to the cinema every week, it doesn’t give you the right to stick your nose into how the Cinema is run. Why don’t you naff off and catch a trout. 👍
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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
I attended the first Trust Meeting and became a member and then allowed my membership to lapse. My view then and since was that the membership was too small to make a significant impact. But good people kept trying and did achieve a dialogue and well done to them.
I hadn’t realised that the Trust is no longer operating as it was although I am not sure that disqualifies it as an entity.
Is it a “collective”. I think that depends on how many members there are now and how well it’s managed.
Does CCFC have a supporters organisation that is large enough and structured to represent supporters in the way that the Trust, rather than Supporters Club would like. No. I genuinely look forward to being corrected.
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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
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Originally Posted by
William Treseder
You have no idea of who i am, or what i do for charity. That’s got nothing to do with you,
You seem to appear in every thread on here spouting your nonsense. I stand by what i said. The majority of fans of all clubs just want to go to the game, then go home and get on with their lives till the next game.
If you pay to go to the cinema every week, it doesn’t give you the right to stick your nose into how the Cinema is run. Why don’t you naff off and catch a trout. 👍
Mr A Hole was not you Bill so chill out
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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Oh bollocks to these cardiff city fans trying their best to promote ccfc in a positive way
In their spare time
Let's leave it to ccfc who when a multi racial painting of a cardiffian in a ccfc shirt appeared didn't want to be associated with it in case it caused ......reverse racism !
Down with the trust !
This club and a lot of its fans are a comedy act
As devil’s advocate, we all know the self important fans that have tried to work their way into the club for their own interests.
With issues with Sam in the past maybe that’s how it looks now
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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Mr A Hole was not you Bill so chill out
Erm, I hope you realise I was being ironic and agreeing with you :hehe:
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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
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Originally Posted by
TWGL1
How many members have they got out of a fan data base of around 200k ?
200,000 fans? Is it mushroom season already?
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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
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Originally Posted by
Undercoverinwurzelland
How dare anyone other than the official supporters club have an opinion. Know your place.
The Supporters Club are only allowed to have the opinion they are told to have.
Partly the reason the Trust was set up in the first place.
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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
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Originally Posted by
William Treseder
If you pay to go to the cinema every week, it doesn’t give you the right to stick your nose into how the Cinema is run.
Fair play, I haven’t heard the football club / cinema analogy in almost a decade. Who was it making that comparison back in 2012? Ah, yes, I remember….
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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
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Originally Posted by
BLUEAWAY
I attended the first Trust Meeting and became a member and then allowed my membership to lapse. My view then and since was that the membership was too small to make a significant impact. But good people kept trying and did achieve a dialogue and well done to them.
I hadn’t realised that the Trust is no longer operating as it was although I am not sure that disqualifies it as an entity.
Is it a “collective”. I think that depends on how many members there are now and how well it’s managed.
Does CCFC have a supporters organisation that is large enough and structured to represent supporters in the way that the Trust, rather than Supporters Club would like. No. I genuinely look forward to being corrected.
The first bit of this doesn’t make sense to me.
Surely allowing your membership to lapse only made the Trust numbers smaller ?
The Trust was set up to give supporters a voice.
As a fan base the response the club has given can only be expected if people can’t be arsed to be part of the body set up to represent them.
We get what we deserve 😕
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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
200,000 fans? Is it mushroom season already?
I was told that’s how many fans are on its database , as in purchased tickets , memberships, playoff finals etc
How is that not unrealistic?
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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
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Originally Posted by
WJ99mobile
As devil’s advocate, we all know the self important fans that have tried to work their way into the club for their own interests.
With issues with Sam in the past maybe that’s how it looks now
The fans most against the trust were Sam's crew
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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
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Originally Posted by
WJ99mobile
As devil’s advocate, we all know the self important fans that have tried to work their way into the club for their own interests.
With issues with Sam in the past maybe that’s how it looks now
These people in the Trust are voted in.
Just like any other election, anyone who wants to be part of it can.
Sam’s crew were either self appointed or invited ( and that included myself for the meeting or 2 I attended).
In his care it seemed it wasn’t to listen to the fans, but more to tell them what to think anyway 😉
This is very different.
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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
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Originally Posted by
Baloo
Erm, I hope you realise I was being ironic and agreeing with you :hehe:
I know , old bill is on a mare
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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
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Originally Posted by
TWGL1
If they are not officially recognised by the club, how is he ?
How many members have they got out of a fan data base of around 200k ?
They’ve only just said this because they’ve had a bit of criticism from the Trust representatives so are now taking their ball home
Like going back to the Clemo years
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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
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Originally Posted by
TWGL1
I was told that’s how many fans are on its database , as in purchased tickets , memberships, playoff finals etc
How is that not unrealistic?
There could indeed be 200,000 names on the club’s database. The list would include several friends and relatives of mine who are now dead and others who haven’t been to a game for many years.
If you genuinely believe CCFC has a fanbase that numbers anything like 200,000, you’re batshit crazy.
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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
Your first paragraph is exactly what I meant …. 200k on a data base which includes email
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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
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Originally Posted by
TWGL1
Your first paragraph is exactly what I meant …. 200k on a data base.
But so what? Why quote that figure when we all know it means nothing in reality?
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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
I would say in todays tech world it’s means a fair bit.
The database insights will give you a clearer plan for upselling and improving your business performance. A customer database also provides an opportunity to build rapport with your customers. You can inform them on product updates, new services, and communicate your strategies to keep them informed.
How many trust members are there anyway ?
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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
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Originally Posted by
Baloo
The Trust were behind the alternative blue shirt during the rebrand that raised funds for Ty Hafan.
Recently collections for the food banks, Ukraine,
Campaign for safe standing
They produce a magazine.
The Trust chairman produces the best financial analysis of our clubs accounts every year.
Helped with the March against racism
Raised money for the disabled supporters transport
Helped improve the memorial garden
They did have the occasional meeting with the club until theses were stopped.
Let’s face it apart from Dalman’s half hearted interviews full of contradiction and inaccuracies we are totally in the dark as to what’s going on. TBH I don’t think he’s that informed either .
I don’t know about the rest of you, but I really care about this club and want to know what the owners ( who themselves tell us are merely ‘custodians’ for the fans) plans are- as we haven’t got a clue .
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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
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Originally Posted by
TWGL1
I would say in todays tech world it’s means a fair bit. The database insights will give you a clearer plan for upselling and improving your business performance. A customer database also provides an opportunity to build rapport with your customers. You can inform them on product updates, new services, and communicate your strategies to keep them informed.
Did you cut and paste that shite?
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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Did you cut and paste that shite?
Do you want a link ?
https://www.nibusinessinfo.co.uk/con...-good-database
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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
But so what? Why quote that figure when we all know it means nothing in reality?
I think I’m on there 3 times and so are probably quite a few dead people, Liverpool & Man U fans, egg chasers, wives, kids and neighbours who’ve absolutely no interest in the club whatsoever
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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Did you cut and paste that shite?
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22T...performance%22
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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
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Originally Posted by
Lawnmower
Recently collections for the food banks, Ukraine,
Campaign for safe standing
They produce a magazine.
The Trust chairman produces the best financial analysis of our clubs accounts every year.
Helped with the March against racism
Raised money for the disabled supporters transport
Helped improve the memorial garden
They did have the occasional meeting with the club until theses were stopped.
Let’s face it apart from Dalman’s half hearted interviews full of contradiction and inaccuracies we are totally in the dark as to what’s going on. TBH I don’t think he’s that informed either .
I don’t know about the rest of you, but I really care about this club and want to know what the owners ( who themselves tell us are merely ‘custodians’ for the fans) plans are- as we haven’t got a clue .
Yeah but apart from all that what have they done ?
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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
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Originally Posted by
TWGL1
Do you want a link ?
No, I’d rather have a bit of whatever you’re smoking.
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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
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Originally Posted by
Lawnmower
The first bit of this doesn’t make sense to me.
Surely allowing your membership to lapse only made the Trust numbers smaller ?
The Trust was set up to give supporters a voice.
As a fan base the response the club has given can only be expected if people can’t be arsed to be part of the body set up to represent them.
We get what we deserve 😕
I'm not sure why it doesn't make sense to you. I said I let my membership lapse. I did not imply any criticism nor feel the need to explain why I let it lapse. That was my decision as it was mine to join. Of course it made the Trust even smaller than it was. In truth it was never very big and after the initial membership surge I think it would be fair to say it struggled to attract new members and batted above its representation.
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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
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Originally Posted by
Lawnmower
Recently collections for the food banks, Ukraine,
Campaign for safe standing
They produce a magazine.
The Trust chairman produces the best financial analysis of our clubs accounts every year.
Helped with the March against racism
Raised money for the disabled supporters transport
Helped improve the memorial garden
They did have the occasional meeting with the club until theses were stopped.
Let’s face it apart from Dalman’s half hearted interviews full of contradiction and inaccuracies we are totally in the dark as to what’s going on. TBH I don’t think he’s that informed either .
I don’t know about the rest of you, but I really care about this club and want to know what the owners ( who themselves tell us are merely ‘custodians’ for the fans) plans are- as we haven’t got a clue .
Top post.
The Trust’s open letter was clumsily written but the intent and the message was spot on.
I have been a Trust member from the start and really appreciate the unpaid and seemingly unvalued work that is put in by a small number of elected representatives. I should do more myself - but that feels difficult living over 200 miles from the stadium.
The club’s response is poor on every level. No attempt to respond to the contents and a brush off based on personal abuse and dismissing the Trust’s status - despite engaging with the Trust up to last year. There will be some happy clappy customers but otherwise it reads like another own goal.
That said I would like to know more about the club claims about the Trust status with the organisations it quoted and the reason for the breakdown in relationships last year.
The Trust is not in a strong position but it needs to come out with a response to the club statement - positive and respectful, but maintaining the challenge to Vincent Tan to improve governance and communication.
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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
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Originally Posted by
Lawnmower
Recently collections for the food banks, Ukraine,
Campaign for safe standing
They produce a magazine.
The Trust chairman produces the best financial analysis of our clubs accounts every year.
Helped with the March against racism
Raised money for the disabled supporters transport
Helped improve the memorial garden
They did have the occasional meeting with the club until theses were stopped.
Let’s face it apart from Dalman’s half hearted interviews full of contradiction and inaccuracies we are totally in the dark as to what’s going on. TBH I don’t think he’s that informed either .
I don’t know about the rest of you, but I really care about this club and want to know what the owners ( who themselves tell us are merely ‘custodians’ for the fans) plans are- as we haven’t got a clue .
Is Since62 part of the Trust?
That really sums up the trust well as it stands
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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
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Originally Posted by
William Treseder
What a load of fuss over nothing. The vast majority of fans of all clubs, just want to go to games, hope for a win, or at least a good performance, then win lose or draw, discuss the game over a few beers afterwards.
Supporters trusts, are made up of the small minority of nosey f*ckers who want to know the ins and outs of a cats arse.
Because they pay to go to games, they feel as though they’ve got the right to be involved in how the club is run.
Any supporter who thinks they aren’t just ‘customers’ are kidding themselves.
This.
I'd wager the majority of fans of the club have no clue what the Trust is, what it does or who's on the board.
I also reckon the majority wouldn't know what our Chairmans name is.
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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Fair play, I haven’t heard the football club / cinema analogy in almost a decade. Who was it making that comparison back in 2012? Ah, yes, I remember….
It’s true though. Don’t tell me an intelligent guy like you ever though you were anything else other than a customer?
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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
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Originally Posted by
Lawnmower
These people in the Trust are voted in.
Just like any other election, anyone who wants to be part of it can.
Sam’s crew were either self appointed or invited ( and that included myself for the meeting or 2 I attended).
In his care it seemed it wasn’t to listen to the fans, but more to tell them what to think anyway 😉
This is very different.
True re Sam. Fair play he was good at it though wasn't he? Ridsdale was also.
The current crop aren't even good at that. Dalman is a total clown and every time he speaks he just causes more confusion and chaos.
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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
Surely the question re what the trust has done is the wrong question. The question should be what could be the trust be?
Maybe the club aren't so worried about what the trust has done but at what it could be and what it could expose? :sherlock: