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Re: Dalman flies in to UK to lead Bale negotiations……………
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Originally Posted by
UNDERHILL1927
If we’re being completely honest he’s not good enough to have a starting place in most Premiership teams anymore. He pulls out magic moments but apart from the free kick he was a passenger on Sunday.
Yes, but in his previous game at the ground a few months earlier, he was the difference between the teams and scored two spectacular goals.
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Re: Dalman flies in to UK to lead Bale negotiations……………
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Originally Posted by
Rock_Flock_of_Five
Brutally honest, but true!
However, he's hardly played any football for his club in the last season, he clearly lacks fitness. If he can get back to 80% of his former self fitness-wise, you would still have one helluva player!
Oh yeah, and please don’t think I wouldn’t take him at Cardiff. I’d walk to Madrid, and carry him on my back if it meant he’d join City.
The best Welsh player that’s ever lived. ❤️
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Re: Dalman flies in to UK to lead Bale negotiations……………
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Yes, but in his previous game at the ground a few months earlier, he was the difference between the teams and scored two spectacular goals.
He did but in an established Prem side the fans and manager wouldn’t have the patience to put up with the inactivity whilst waiting for those magic moments. He has earned that respect at Wales and rightly so, and the City fans would allow him that breathing space too.
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Re: Dalman flies in to UK to lead Bale negotiations……………
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Originally Posted by
The Bloop
Thought they were spot on.
If he came here then the focus would be entirely on him. In a PL squad he'd be more of an equal member and I think his playing time and fitness would be better managed.
Here there'd be an expectation for him to play every game, then as soon as he gets injured parts of the fan base would be straight onto the management for playing him too much.
If the priority is getting him as match ready as possible for the World Cup, then we may not be the best option.
Unless the arrangement is for him to play as much as he wants?
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Re: Dalman flies in to UK to lead Bale negotiations……………
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Watched the Welsh Match of the Day programme and there was a general agreement among those asked (Tony Pulis, Joe Ledley, Ashley Williams and Nia Jones) that the Championship was a very demanding league that Bale should probably avoid - they thought he was still good enough for the Premier League.
Ashley Williams hates the thought of it, Ledley desperately wants him but did feel he could play at a higher level still. I think we will be his best option and most accomodating, it would be best for Bale himself, Wales and Cardiff. My only concern is how we go from Bale for 60 mins on a Saturday, then a completely different team with a different focus on Tuesday night, would it unsettle the team?
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Re: Dalman flies in to UK to lead Bale negotiations……………
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
Ashley Williams hates the thought of it, Ledley desperately wants him but did feel he could play at a higher level still. I think we will be his best option and most accomodating, it would be best for Bale himself, Wales and Cardiff. My only concern is how we go from Bale for 60 mins on a Saturday, then a completely different team with a different focus on Tuesday night, would it unsettle the team?
Let’s worry about the Tuesday night games after we sign him
It’s like as if someone has won a super car but thinking of handing it back because of worried about cleaning it
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If Bale comes here, it's not for money. His agent has already stated his next move has nothing to do with money. Can he still play at the top level? Of course. But Bale is only looking for one thing for the next 6 months: somewhere to train every day and play the odd game. Where he'll be surrounded by family and able to run his businesses. And, yes, play a bit of golf. He won't get any of those things at a Spurs or a Newcastle.
Even if he came here and contributed **** all on the pitch, it'd be worth it for the financial boost of increased ticket sales, televised games etc.
And BTW I don't buy the whole "he'll be kicked all over the place" argument. There are plenty of butchers in the Spanish league, and the Championship is not the clogger league it was 10 years ago.
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If he signs a 3 month deal until November it'll be the biggest sign yet that he's done now and just hanging on for a WC. Would like to think we'd get at least a season out of him. I can see it happening on a very modest wage as the less we pay him the more he can just pick and choose when he plays. He's not exactly going to be playing at Kenilworth Road a week before the World Cup so just let him play home games and the occasional away.
There's that much talk about him playing at a WC and staying fit for it that it feels inevitable he will get injured ahead of it.
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Re: Dalman flies in to UK to lead Bale negotiations……………
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Originally Posted by
WJ99mobile
Let’s worry about the Tuesday night games after we sign him
It’s like as if someone has won a super car but thinking of handing it back because of worried about cleaning it
:hehe: true
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Re: Dalman flies in to UK to lead Bale negotiations……………
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Originally Posted by
SunderlandBluebird
If he signs a 3 month deal until November it'll be the biggest sign yet that he's done now and just hanging on for a WC. Would like to think we'd get at least a season out of him. I can see it happening on a very modest wage as the less we pay him the more he can just pick and choose when he plays. He's not exactly going to be playing at Kenilworth Road a week before the World Cup so just let him play home games and the occasional away.
There's that much talk about him playing at a WC and staying fit for it that it feels inevitable he will get injured ahead of it.
That makes sense actually and could work, Bale at home the rest and a different style away :thumbup:
Hopefully not this bit though!
There's that much talk about him playing at a WC and staying fit for it that it feels inevitable he will get injured ahead of it.
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Re: Dalman flies in to UK to lead Bale negotiations……………
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Originally Posted by
SunderlandBluebird
If he signs a 3 month deal until November it'll be the biggest sign yet that he's done now and just hanging on for a WC. Would like to think we'd get at least a season out of him. I can see it happening on a very modest wage as the less we pay him the more he can just pick and choose when he plays. He's not exactly going to be playing at Kenilworth Road a week before the World Cup so just let him play home games and the occasional away.
There's that much talk about him playing at a WC and staying fit for it that it feels inevitable he will get injured ahead of it.
Pay as you play contract
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Re: Dalman flies in to UK to lead Bale negotiations……………
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Originally Posted by
Rock_Flock_of_Five
Bale has showcased his talents at the highest level for goodness knows how many years now. There's nothing he needs to prove at club level anymore, he's got the t-shirt 'n all!
His focus now is getting as close to match-fit for the World Cup as possible, but not by overburdening himself with the expectations that would come if he perhaps went to a Premier League club or similar. As Welsh fans, we would accept such an arrangement, I don't think supporters of other clubs would allow Bale to use their club as a vehicle in such a way.
Nine years abroad - I think in the twilight of his career he has come to cherish the home comforts of being surrounded by friends and family whenever he's back to play for Wales. The City training ground just down the road from his house... it's all starting to make sense.
Hear hear! I'd be over the moon if he comes to us. Let's not look a gift horse in the face!
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I think if he is prepared to pay Ł20000 a week to use our splendid training facilities then we should let him play for the team occasionally.
I'll get my coat!!
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He’d be a massive asset, the talk of him being ruthlessly targeted in the Championship is ridiculous. Top players have always dealt with that problem, the Championship didn’t faze Harry Wilson or Brennan Johnson etc. In the past when top players needed to keep on earning due to wages being nowhere near today’s fortunes they very often dropped down the divisions in their later years. These were days when hatchet men defenders were about, the skilful players coped with no problem. I’d imagine Bale would be surprised at the Championship’s standard compared to the also ran teams of La Liga, the Championship is most probably superior.
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Re: Dalman flies in to UK to lead Bale negotiations……………
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Originally Posted by
Dorcus
Hear hear! I'd be over the moon if he comes to us. Let's not look a gift horse in the face!
Mouth even !
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Re: Dalman flies in to UK to lead Bale negotiations……………
if Bale gave the city 60 minutes a week that would be enough. Opposition teams would have two men on him at all teams, giving us so much more space to play.
If he wants to come here, get match fit for the world cup, we'd be nuts not to make it happen. Bale is class and would inspire others around him to raise their game. Quality loan signings would become that little bit easier to secure.
Having Ramsey alongside him would be the cherry on top.
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i still don't think he's coming. but...
the volume of games in the championship isn't ideal, but he would be able to pick and choose you'd have thought.
the championship isn't as physical as it used to be, and we are talking about Gareth Bale here, not some fancy Dan powderpuff winger, but someone who's physical attributes have been a huge part of his game. he might have lost a bit of the explosive pace (if he can get that back before the world cup then great) but he's still physically strong.
it seemed (plenty of guesswork here) that Morison was looking to assemble a side with a bit more bite without the ball, more intensive pressing etc on the face of it a 33 year old forward probably isn't who you'd want to be bringing in to go down that path ...but against Austria Wales pressed pretty effectively at times and Bale was definitely a part of that.
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Re: Dalman flies in to UK to lead Bale negotiations……………
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Watched the Welsh Match of the Day programme and there was a general agreement among those asked (Tony Pulis, Joe Ledley, Ashley Williams and Nia Jones) that the Championship was a very demanding league that Bale should probably avoid - they thought he was still good enough for the Premier League.
I'm not sure how Bale can simultaneously still be good enough for the Premier League and have to avoid the Championship because it's too demanding.
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Re: Dalman flies in to UK to lead Bale negotiations……………
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
Ashley Williams hates the thought of it, Ledley desperately wants him but did feel he could play at a higher level still. I think we will be his best option and most accomodating, it would be best for Bale himself, Wales and Cardiff. My only concern is how we go from Bale for 60 mins on a Saturday, then a completely different team with a different focus on Tuesday night, would it unsettle the team?
It seems that Ollie Tanner is a similar style of player. Maybe he covers for Bale. Works well in that Tanner will also need to acclimatize to the Championship. He would also be learning from the master.
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Bales only 32. Is his body that bad that he wants to retire.? Dont get it.
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One thing's for sure, he won't be chasing down the ball the way Bellamy was.
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Re: Dalman flies in to UK to lead Bale negotiations……………
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Originally Posted by
Hilts
Bales only 32. Is his body that bad that he wants to retire.? Dont get it.
I think he’s got all the money he needs and he’s lost the love of the club game.
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Re: Dalman flies in to UK to lead Bale negotiations……………
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Originally Posted by
Hilts
Bales only 32. Is his body that bad that he wants to retire.? Dont get it.
He’s mentioned a back problem in several interviews recently. Maybe that’s the main issue and stops him getting fully fit.
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Re: Dalman flies in to UK to lead Bale negotiations……………
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Originally Posted by
SunderlandBluebird
If he signs a 3 month deal until November it'll be the biggest sign yet that he's done now and just hanging on for a WC. Would like to think we'd get at least a season out of him. I can see it happening on a very modest wage as the less we pay him the more he can just pick and choose when he plays. He's not exactly going to be playing at Kenilworth Road a week before the World Cup so just let him play home games and the occasional away.
There's that much talk about him playing at a WC and staying fit for it that it feels inevitable he will get injured ahead of it.
Bale at Kenilworth Road, it sounds so wrong :shrug:
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Am I the only one who doesn't really want Bale and Ramsey here? Two injury prone players who spend more time off the field than on it.......i
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Maurice Swan
Am I the only one who doesn't really want Bale and Ramsey here? Two injury prone players who spend more time off the field than on it.......i
I know, when we've got Max Watters and Will Vaulks as well, it's insane
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Re: Dalman flies in to UK to lead Bale negotiations……………
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delmbox
I know, when we've got Max Watters and Will Vaulks as well, it's insane
:hehe:
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Re: Dalman flies in to UK to lead Bale negotiations……………
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Maurice Swan
Am I the only one who doesn't really want Bale and Ramsey here? Two injury prone players who spend more time off the field than on it.......i
You're on a wind up, right?
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Re: Dalman flies in to UK to lead Bale negotiations……………
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Originally Posted by
Maurice Swan
Am I the only one who doesn't really want Bale and Ramsey here? Two injury prone players who spend more time off the field than on it.......i
not sure many football fans in our league would not really want Bale and Rambo joining them , Injury prone or not
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Re: Dalman flies in to UK to lead Bale negotiations……………
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Originally Posted by
Rock_Flock_of_Five
Bale has showcased his talents at the highest level for goodness knows how many years now. There's nothing he needs to prove at club level anymore, he's got the t-shirt 'n all!
I think the current perspective outside Cardiff and Wales (and Bale) is that he WAS a great player but has, for whatever reason, wasted a significant proportion of his career (I don't think it is his fault). I think he could still prove a lot of haters and casual onlookers wrong were he to go to play in another champions league side or in a top European league.
I just think he could do his Wales stuff and play a significant role in a team like Bayern, or Liverpool or Inter Milan or someone like that. Maybe 20 or so games a season, but I'd like to see him ripping it up for a season or two in another league.
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Re: Dalman flies in to UK to lead Bale negotiations……………
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Maurice Swan
Am I the only one who doesn't really want Bale and Ramsey here? Two injury prone players who spend more time off the field than on it.......i
Yes, yes you are,
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Re: Dalman flies in to UK to lead Bale negotiations……………
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Maurice Swan
Am I the only one who doesn't really want Bale and Ramsey here? Two injury prone players who spend more time off the field than on it.......i
It's Rambo and Bale. I don't care whether or not they even play. Just to have them train with the team would be worth it.
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cyril evans awaydays
Kylie was Amish?
You got the Mennonite pun, I hope....
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Re: Dalman flies in to UK to lead Bale negotiations……………
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Originally Posted by
Maurice Swan
Am I the only one who doesn't really want Bale and Ramsey here? Two injury prone players who spend more time off the field than on it.......i
You sure are.
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Re: Dalman flies in to UK to lead Bale negotiations……………
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Originally Posted by
Maurice Swan
Am I the only one who doesn't really want Bale and Ramsey here? Two injury prone players who spend more time off the field than on it.......i
Hahaha - no seriously , hahaha :hehe::hehe:
I take it you’d rather watch the signings we’ve just made like the lad from league 10 or the one from league two or the one from the bottom half of Bundesliga 2?
Who cares if it’s just for 5 minutes, you seriously do not want to see Gareth Bale in a Cardiff city shirt?
I despair of some of the comments I’ve read on here about his ( and Ramsey’s ) potential signing , it would be amazing to see both in our team, even if it doesn’t work out or is only short term
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Re: Dalman flies in to UK to lead Bale negotiations……………
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Originally Posted by
Cleve van Leef
Pay as you play contract
The ccmb special.
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Re: Dalman flies in to UK to lead Bale negotiations……………
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Originally Posted by
Garth Blue
It seems that Ollie Tanner is a similar style of player. Maybe he covers for Bale. Works well in that Tanner will also need to acclimatize to the Championship. He would also be learning from the master.
👀
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Re: Dalman flies in to UK to lead Bale negotiations……………
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Originally Posted by
Maurice Swan
Am I the only one who doesn't really want Bale and Ramsey here? Two injury prone players who spend more time off the field than on it.......i
You definitely are...we signed Ramsey on loan when he was more or less convalescing from a potential career ending injury, he sent Angel Rangel on a bus trip to the Gower while setting up the winner at the Liberty. We had Bellamy, knees shot to bits, never qualified for a major tournament yet lifted the whole place. We signed Ivor and the Charles brothers years after they appeared in our only World Cup, they were welcomed with open arms. Yet you’re indifferent to signing two of our country’s star players who are actually preparing to play in a World Cup,:shrug: it’d be a hell of a coup for our club.
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Re: Dalman flies in to UK to lead Bale negotiations……………
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Originally Posted by
splott parker
You definitely are...we signed Ramsey on loan when he was more or less convalescing from a potential career ending injury, he sent Angel Rangel on a bus trip to the Gower while setting up the winner at the Liberty. We had Bellamy, knees shot to bits, never qualified for a major tournament yet lifted the whole place. We signed Ivor and the Charles brothers years after they appeared in our only World Cup, they were welcomed with open arms. Yet you’re indifferent to signing two of our country’s star players who are actually preparing to play in a World Cup,:shrug: it’d be a hell of a coup for our club.
How many years ago did Ramsey come back on loan?? Both he and Bale are too injury prone these days. Allchurch and the Charles brothers weren't...and I am old enough to have seen them make their debuts for City..... anyway....it isn't going to happen...
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Re: Dalman flies in to UK to lead Bale negotiations……………
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Originally Posted by
Maurice Swan
How many years ago did Ramsey come back on loan?? Both he and Bale are too injury prone these days. Allchurch and the Charles brothers weren't...and I am old enough to have seen them make their debuts for City..... anyway....it isn't going to happen...
As I mentioned Ramsey came back on loan after an injury that potentially left his career in the balance, no matter how many years ago or what age he was has nothing to do with it. Arsenal used us to see if he was still up to it and we welcomed him. Ivor was a year older than Bale is now, on average Ivor played 36 senior games per season in his career, Bale has managed 34 on average, bugger all between them really, so the ‘injury prone’ argument doesn’t really stand up.
I saw Ivor’s debut against Newcastle and the Charles’ brothers later debuts, very excited by them (not so much Mel:hehe:) and it’s fantastic all these years later to have the same, if not more, potential excitement. It’s what football’s all about.