Did anyone else think that was a penalty...

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I contend it should have been a penalty. No more, no less.

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In which case you’re right.. this thread is comedy gold 🤣🤣🤣

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Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927

By Premier League standards that was 100% a penalty, I was flabbergasted when the check was completed.

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I think you meant flabbergasted AND delighted lol

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTjV...CM%C3%A5neskin

Messi gets them....

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Messi got on the wrong side of that defender, which makes it easier to give in my opinion, although i still don't think that was a penalty.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

You've left out a big chunk of the reasoning i gave. Thankfully, the ref, his assistants on VAR and apparently, the Ukrainian manager, agree with me.

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It matters not a jot now. Bizarrely, it wasn't given. Some you get, some you don't, mostly because plenty of officials have no more idea than the average steward. But that doesn't mean it was the correct decision by any means.

I thought all the recent tampering with the handball and offside rules had made football complicated enough already, but now it's apparently not necessarily a foul when a player kicks his opponent instead of the ball. What a game!

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Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanton

In which case you’re right.. this thread is comedy gold ������

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Do you contend that 'professional' officials always make the right decisions?

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Originally Posted by Moodybluebird

I think you meant flabbergasted AND delighted lol

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Haha relieved, shocked and bloody ecstatic

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Do you contend that 'professional' officials always make the right decisions?

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Not at all but I’m happy to draw the line somewhere.

Maybe there could be a panel of 20,000 impartial people watching the game with a hand held device (let’s call it a phone) and as VAR is showing something they vote on whether to stay with the on field decision or send the ref to a monitor to review his initial thoughts.

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Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanton

Not at all but I’m happy to draw the line somewhere.

Maybe there could be a panel of 20,000 impartial people watching the game with a hand held device (let’s call it a phone) and as VAR is showing something they vote on whether to stay with the on field decision or send the ref to a monitor to review his initial thoughts.

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Personally, I think we should go back to a ref and two linesmen. Mad, I know.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Personally, I think we should go back to a ref and two linesmen. Mad, I know.

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I agree with you, but that’s how we ended up with bloody VAR in the first place

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

It matters not a jot now. Bizarrely, it wasn't given. Some you get, some you don't, mostly because plenty of officials have no more idea than the average steward. But that doesn't mean it was the correct decision by any means.

I thought all the recent tampering with the handball and offside rules had made football complicated enough already, but now it's apparently not necessarily a foul when a player kicks his opponent instead of the ball. What a game!

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Don.t you think that there were circumstances leading up to the contact? Scrap that, you obviously don't, which is fair enough, but i do find that a little puerile, and i know for sure that you aren't like that when it comes to refereeing decisions. Yup, you win some you lose some. If it had been given, half of the people in this thread saying it was stone wall would quite likely be using some of my arguments to say that it wasn't a penalty :hehe: Football.....

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Personally, I think we should go back to a ref and two linesmen. Mad, I know.

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I can see why they didn't give it although Allen lucky. Needs to speed things up

It seems a long time ago that the FA were trying to have a similar set of circimstances for football played at the highest level and at grass roots in parks.

Won't be long before parents film school-boy matches and call refs over to view their footage to resolve dodgy decisions.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Is there a rule that if you kick someone but didnt mean it then its not a foul.?

Allen should have been aware either by his own means or a call. Booting the Ukrainian because you didnt know he was there is no excuse.

In fact the 2 on here are the only ones ive seen say it wasnt. 100% a penalty.

Who cares though we got away with one.I really wished it was Scotland though. If id been Allen and it was the Jocks id be saying yeah I booted him feck em.

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Let it go FFS.....

It was a penalty .
Yarmolenko did two summersaults and a triple barani . I dont think that helped their cause .
Well done Wales , good luck in the finals.
Its a shame there is a moral dilemma about going to Qatar, maybe including them will help bring about change ?

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Originally Posted by PaulWent76

A clear foul that could have resulted in serious injury to Joe Allen with the Ukrainian player tackling from behind in a careless and reckless manner.
Could have been given either way.

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Running onto a free ball is not tackling from behind. Yarmolenko makes no tackling move whatsoever. He just takes the ball. Maybe he shouldn't have gone down like he'd been shot. I don't know. And I don't care. It happens.

When the referee was waiting for the VAR decision, I was so convinced he was going to be sent to the pitch side screen, that I went upstairs for a piss , expecting to come down to find it was 1-1....imagine my glee when I found out it hadn't been given.

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Originally Posted by Cyclops

Please explain to me that if 'careless, reckless, or using excessive force' are actually written in the rule book, they are implicit.

(Definition of implicit -"suggested though not directly expressed")

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If the VAR team had just quickly explained why they didn’t give it, it would have saved 5 pages of guff on here.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Personally, I think we should go back to a ref and two linesmen. Mad, I know.

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You’ve got a point. The ref and his two linesmen got the decision wrong, as did a ref and God knows how many more other officials watching it with plenty of expensive machinery bought to, in theory, ensure right decisions are always made - the fact that the human element in the VAR system failed, as it does too often, just renders all of that machinery irrelevant, all it’s doing is breaking up the game to provide decisions that the officials at the ground could have got wrong much quicker :hehe:

If I was a ref I would never give Dan James a penalty

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Originally Posted by kendoddsdadsdogsdead

If I was a ref I would never give Dan James a penalty

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He was fouled today on the edge of the box and the ref gave nothing.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

He was fouled today on the edge of the box and the ref gave nothing.

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I didn't think he was fouled.
Goes down too easy and the refs are wising up to him.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

He was fouled today on the edge of the box and the ref gave nothing.

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I didn’t think this at the time and thought, as I’m sure many have, “I wish he didn’t go down so easily”. Appreciate he’s a small rapid fella, so is liable to anyway but it’s starting to feel like he’s developed a rep with refs.

On the replay though, it did look a foul to me and thought he / we were a bit unlucky there.

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Originally Posted by kendoddsdadsdogsdead

I didn't think he was fouled.
Goes down too easy and the refs are wising up to him.

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I agree he goes down too easy and refs are wising up to him.

I think at half time on Sunday words must have been said as he looked to me like he was staying on his feet more. Then he does get fouled nothing is given and Page is booked.

Refs know he goes down so easily so now he needs to get assaulted for a free kick. His own fault.

I wish he would add a bit more strength and get his feet sorted, runs and plays like Pistorius.

Running over to refs in the 1st few minutes and yelling feck off in their faces doesnt help either.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

You’ve got a point. The ref and his two linesmen got the decision wrong, as did a ref and God knows how many more other officials watching it with plenty of expensive machinery bought to, in theory, ensure right decisions are always made - the fact that the human element in the VAR system failed, as it does too often, just renders all of that machinery irrelevant, all it’s doing is breaking up the game to provide decisions that the officials at the ground could have got wrong much quicker :hehe:

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Missed a chance to nail this thread. My Lithuanian friend has just sent me a picture of her serving Yarmolenko and Mykolenko at Cardiff Airport on Monday. They were speaking Russian and she speaks it too, I could have been so in the know.

I'm not sure what happened with the officials by the way. Just as Zinchenko is lining up his shot the ref raises his arm in the direction of the linesman. I failed my body language o-level so I won't try to interpret the exact meaning of that but I'm guessing the ref was unsure, asks his linesman who then gives his reply just as the ball breaks to Zinchenko.

While the obvious conclusion is that the linesman is saying 'no penalty', the ref is an awkward position if he's said the opposite. He's going to enrage the Ukrainians if he blows for a penalty just as Zinchenko is launching his shot into the top corner (especially if VAR then says no penalty) but if he plays on and they don't score Wales will be enraged if he then gives the penalty, having played an advantage.

With VAR the ref should have the best of both worlds here. He can play the advantage as he wants, knowing that VAR can still award the penalty after. Unless Stevie Wonder is on VAR duty, of course.

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Originally Posted by cityhammer

I saw it on replay when i got home, as i saw it, Allen pulled his leg back to strike the ball and the Ukrainian came form behind him and got to the ball as he kicked it. No intent, and Allen didn't know he was there, just a footballing incident, no foul imo.

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Yet with many of these handball decisions throughout the season there is no intent but the VAR decision is penalty.
So while I totally agree with you, to be consistent it should have been given.

Yet I remember 1977 and Anfield, and we've waited 45 years for a rebalancing of justice - so at last things have evened themselves up :thumbup: