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Re: George Carlin religion
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Highly educated people like doctors and scientists are extremely unlikely to be religious and believe in the God myth .....because they can see what utter nonsense it all is
The figure is 3 to 4 percent
It switches for uneducated people .....no money .....no hope ? .......along come the holy people with the bible or whatever for you to read
Christianity is huge in Africa where many of the people are poor and uneducated ......thanks to your mates the missionaries spreading the word to vulnerable people
The Catholic Church did very well getting people to sign up in Ireland ......loads of poverty!
Check out the figures , it's true
Poorly educated people .......God botherers
The universe is supposedly 93 billion light years across.
The Earth is one tiny speck in that unimaginable space.
Some of the greatest scientific minds think that we may not be the only life form in existence.
However, our gods usually seem to reflect a form that have characteristics of life on this particular planet. A bit coincidental innit?
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Re: George Carlin religion
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Taunton Blue Genie
The universe is supposedly 93 billion light years across.
The Earth is one tiny speck in that unimaginable space.
Some of the greatest scientific minds think that we may not be the only life form in existence.
However, our gods usually seem to reflect a form that have characteristics of life on this particular planet. A bit coincidental innit?
It all happened in 7 days
I am sure we can all agree that's a miracle
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Re: George Carlin religion
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SLUDGE FACTORY
It all happened in 7 days
I am sure we can all agree that's a miracle
It certainly was, and actually just 6 days.
Yet you and the Genie have a far greater (in scope) faith, because you both believe that Earth & Complex life arose without any designer at all, by chance!
Science has discovered that DNA is a program of incredible complexity, one science article states: "All the genes together form the master DNA program, which is copied and run simultaneously in trillions of cells to achieve this miracle of physicochemical engineering".
If I were to suggest to you that the far inferior Windows 11 arose on your hard drive by chance and without a programmer then you would rightly laugh and suggest I was naive to consider such a possibility; however you guys do no different with DNA.
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Re: George Carlin religion
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Originally Posted by
truthpaste
It certainly was, and actually just 6 days.
Yet you and the Genie have a far greater (in scope) faith, because you both believe that Earth & Complex life arose without any designer at all, by chance!
Science has discovered that DNA is a program of incredible complexity, one science article states: "All the genes together form the master DNA program, which is copied and run simultaneously in trillions of cells to achieve this miracle of physicochemical engineering".
If I were to suggest to you that the far inferior Windows 11 arose on your hard drive by chance and without a programmer then you would rightly laugh and suggest I was naive to consider such a possibility; however you guys do no different with DNA.
Firstly, I have never declared my 'faith' in anything.
Secondly, your analogy is meaningless.
Thirdly, I don't consider someone who believes in a talking snake to be any sort of authority regarding DNA.
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Re: George Carlin religion
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Originally Posted by
truthpaste
It certainly was, and actually just 6 days.
Yet you and the Genie have a far greater (in scope) faith, because you both believe that Earth & Complex life arose without any designer at all, by chance!
Science has discovered that DNA is a program of incredible complexity, one science article states: "All the genes together form the master DNA program, which is copied and run simultaneously in trillions of cells to achieve this miracle of physicochemical engineering".
If I were to suggest to you that the far inferior Windows 11 arose on your hard drive by chance and without a programmer then you would rightly laugh and suggest I was naive to consider such a possibility; however you guys do no different with DNA.
I don't think you are naive , I know that you are deluded
If you get cancer are you going to pray God makes you better ?
Of give the science of medicine a go ?
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Re: George Carlin religion
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
It all happened in 7 days
I am sure we can all agree that's a miracle
Bible stories lifted from other preceding religions
In the Persian scriptures of the Zoroastrians, the Avesta tells the story of how Ormuzd created the world and the first two humans in six days and then rested on the seventh. The names of these two human beings were Adama and Evah. These texts date back as far as the 10th century B.C.
See https://listverse.com/2013/06/30/ten...-on-the-bible/ for more.
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Re: George Carlin religion
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Originally Posted by
truthpaste
It certainly was, and actually just 6 days.
Yet you and the Genie have a far greater (in scope) faith, because you both believe that Earth & Complex life arose without any designer at all, by chance!
Science has discovered that DNA is a program of incredible complexity, one science article states: "All the genes together form the master DNA program, which is copied and run simultaneously in trillions of cells to achieve this miracle of physicochemical engineering".
If I were to suggest to you that the far inferior Windows 11 arose on your hard drive by chance and without a programmer then you would rightly laugh and suggest I was naive to consider such a possibility; however you guys do no different with DNA.
That’s the thing though, we don’t know, we haven’t got a clue but are using science to try and understand. There’s a big difference between that and jumping to the conclusion that a book from thousands of years ago, and a deity who there is zero proof exists is the answer, and making all life decisions based on this fairytale.
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Re: George Carlin religion
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Originally Posted by
Taunton Blue Genie
Bible stories lifted from other preceding religions
In the Persian scriptures of the Zoroastrians, the Avesta tells the story of how Ormuzd created the world and the first two humans in six days and then rested on the seventh. The names of these two human beings were Adama and Evah. These texts date back as far as the 10th century B.C.
See
https://listverse.com/2013/06/30/ten...-on-the-bible/ for more.
Blasphemy
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Re: George Carlin religion
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Just seen that clip of that idiot in the hat outside an abortion clinic in Newry, Northern Ireland with his stupid placard and his mates with crucifixes and rosary beads , telling the reporter that the doctors deliver MANY babies that were first thought to be likely to be disabled
I mean what utter twisted feckwits are these people ?
He's got no idea of the facts yet gets his gormless stupid face on the TV talking as though he's some kind of qualified doctor
It's all bollocks , stay at home and read your bible or whatever your religious book is , all nonsense
It's like swingers parties , do it behind closed doors
They can be fun in the garden too! :biggrin:
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Re: George Carlin religion
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xsnaggle
They can be fun in the garden too! :biggrin:
Dirty filthy business
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Re: George Carlin religion
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Blasphemy
"That piece of halibut is good enough for Jehovah."
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Re: George Carlin religion
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Blasphemy
It's ironic that, as I was wearing shorts, I was asked to wear a silver-coloured cape a few days ago in order to enter a Coptic church in Cairo - when Jesus was flashing his knees from the crucifix inside.
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Re: George Carlin religion
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Taunton Blue Genie
It's ironic that, as I was wearing shorts, I was asked to wear a silver-coloured cape a few days ago in order to enter a Coptic church in Cairo - when Jesus was flashing his knees from the crucifix inside.
In fairness, the poor ****er was nailed to a cross, sort of offsets you having to wear a cape to cover your legs :hehe:
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Re: George Carlin religion
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SLUDGE FACTORY
About 3 to 4 percent of doctors and the like are religious
So not many at all
Not true at all, according to Pewresearch 51% of scientists believe in a deity. There is no competition between religion and science.
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Re: George Carlin religion
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
I don't think you are naive , I know that you are deluded
If you get cancer are you going to pray God makes you better ?
Of give the science of medicine a go ?
Why do you place science in conflict with religion. Science seeks to answer the question of "how?" Religion answers the question of "why?"
76% of Dr's believe in God.
https://www.medicaleconomics.com/view/surprising-results-about-physicians-belief-in-god
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Re: George Carlin religion
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Lither_1927
Religions don't answer 'why' - otherwise there wouldn't have been thousands of deities in the history of the planet and which have differed so much or are contradictory.
They may have tried to answer the question 'why' for primitive peoples who had little or no understanding of meteorology, microbes, electricity, atoms and various causes of natural phenomena - but we have the benefit of knowing much more than unknown scribes millenia ago who wrote fairy stories or, in many cases, rewrote pre-existing fairy stories with new spins. Hence the endless schisms that happen in religions.
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Re: George Carlin religion
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Lither_1927
That's in America where everyone is an asshole
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Re: George Carlin religion
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Lither_1927
Not true at all, according to Pewresearch 51% of scientists believe in a deity. There is no competition between religion and science.
51 percent of doctors in salt lake city believe in God
Everyone else is normal
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Re: George Carlin religion
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Lither_1927
Not true at all, according to Pewresearch 51% of scientists believe in a deity. There is no competition between religion and science.
"According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power; specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God"
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion...ts-and-belief/
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Re: George Carlin religion
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SLUDGE FACTORY
51 percent of doctors in salt lake city believe in God
Everyone else is normal
Salt Lake City?
Atheism isn't normal, you essentially believe the world was created by a random bang and that life is meaningless. That's not normal, rational or healthy for living a life.
No wonder you appear mentally unstable a lot of the time.
Your claim that 3% of Dr's believe in God is absolute nonesense.
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Re: George Carlin religion
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truthpaste
Utter garbage.
And when will the penny drop, religion is man-made, like evolution.
The only guy who can rescue individuals is Christ Jesus, He rescued me 54 years ago.
Relationship, not religion :thumbup:
Does the relationship include communication back to you that you can ‘listen to’ or somehow observe?
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Re: George Carlin religion
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Taunton Blue Genie
Religions don't answer 'why' - otherwise there wouldn't have been thousands of deities in the history of the planet and which have differed so much or are contradictory.
They may have tried to answer the question 'why' for primitive peoples who had little or no understanding of meteorology, microbes, electricity, atoms and various causes of natural phenomena - but we have the benefit of knowing much more than unknown scribes millenia ago who wrote fairy stories or, in many cases, rewrote pre-existing fairy stories with new spins. Hence the endless schisms that happen in religions.
Outside the world of nature, science has no authority, no statements to make, no business whatsoever taking one position or another. Science has nothing decisive to say about values, whether economic, aesthetic or moral; nothing to say about the meaning of life or its purpose.
Religion on the other hand does have something to say about these matters, your suggestion that science is incompatible with religion is pure bollocks.
Yes there have been many religions but they all believe in a creator, which seems deeply embedded into our DNA.
Atheism isn't normal, clever or correct. It's irrational.
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Re: George Carlin religion
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Originally Posted by
Lither_1927
Outside the world of nature, science has no authority, no statements to make, no business whatsoever taking one position or another. Science has nothing decisive to say about values, whether economic, aesthetic or moral; nothing to say about the meaning of life or its purpose.
Religion on the other hand does have something to say about these matters, your suggestion that science is incompatible with religion is pure bollocks.
Yes there have been many religions but they all believe in a creator, which seems deeply embedded into our DNA.
Atheism isn't normal, clever or correct. It's irrational.
Humanism can offer all of that without the supernatural.
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Re: George Carlin religion
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
I don't think you are naive , I know that you are deluded
If you get cancer are you going to pray God makes you better ?
Of give the science of medicine a go ?
A recent study finds that people who regularly attend religious services live approximately four years longer than average. Researchers built the study from previous data suggesting that social interaction, volunteer work, and healthy habits can lead to a longer life.
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Re: George Carlin religion
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Originally Posted by
Lither_1927
Outside the world of nature, science has no authority, no statements to make, no business whatsoever taking one position or another. Science has nothing decisive to say about values, whether economic, aesthetic or moral; nothing to say about the meaning of life or its purpose.
Religion on the other hand does have something to say about these matters, your suggestion that science is incompatible with religion is pure bollocks.
Yes there have been many religions but they all believe in a creator, which seems deeply embedded into our DNA.
Atheism isn't normal, clever or correct. It's irrational.
So you believe that God created the earth for humankind but you're not happy about sharing the bit you happened to be born in with people of a different colour to you? What do you think God's take on that attitude would be then?
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Re: George Carlin religion
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Baloo
Humanism can offer all of that without the supernatural.
Nonesense. Humanism doesn't explain why we are here or concern itself with a creator.
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Re: George Carlin religion
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delmbox
So you believe that God created the earth for humankind but you're not happy about sharing the bit you happened to be born in with people of a different colour to you? What do you think God's take on that attitude would be then?
Oh **** off you sniping midwit. You offer literally nothing. I'd hate to be you.
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Re: George Carlin religion
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Lither_1927
Oh **** off you sniping midwit. You offer literally nothing. I'd hate to be you.
It was a fair question, answer it
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Re: George Carlin religion
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Lither_1927
Nonesense. Humanism doesn't explain why we are here or concern itself with a creator.
It would be bizarre for Humanists to concern themselves with a creator. Your post was about values - religion doesn’t speak exclusively about that and the supernatural isn’t a prerequisite to live a good and meaningful live.
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Re: George Carlin religion
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Lither_1927
Outside the world of nature, science has no authority, no statements to make, no business whatsoever taking one position or another. Science has nothing decisive to say about values, whether economic, aesthetic or moral; nothing to say about the meaning of life or its purpose.
Religion on the other hand does have something to say about these matters, your suggestion that science is incompatible with religion is pure bollocks.
Yes there have been many religions but they all believe in a creator, which seems deeply embedded into our DNA.
Atheism isn't normal, clever or correct. It's irrational.
As I have stated before, science means knowledge, pure and simple. It's a search to find out what is true.
Knowledge has no bias nor any statement to make and as out knowledge improves so does our best stab at understanding the universe and what's in it.
Religion is heaving with fanciful recycled myths and unsubstantiated absurdities.
As for atheism not being "normal, clever or correct" that's quite hilarious when set against religious stories.
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Re: George Carlin religion
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Lither_1927
A recent study finds that people who regularly attend religious services live approximately four years longer than average. Researchers built the study from previous data suggesting that social interaction, volunteer work, and healthy habits can lead to a longer life.
I think that feeling part of a community helps one's mental state enormously - and it could very well be that believing in a deity does help one similarly.
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Re: George Carlin religion
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Lither_1927
Oh **** off you sniping midwit. You offer literally nothing. I'd hate to be you.
After that,are you happy with your life.
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Re: George Carlin religion
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Lither_1927
I guess doctors see the apparent randomness of treatments working for some and not others and cases of people living while they "shouldn't".
We came from somewhere. The existence of a greater being would be a logical idea as to from where and how.
Christianity, at least, (I'm ignorant of other religions), can anyway easily reconcile the idea of creation. The "big bang" in physics came from work by Georges Lemaître, a Belgian cosmologist and Catholic priest. People had realised that the universe seemed to be expanding. Working backwards for the idea that the universe is bigger today than it was yesterday, he put forward the idea that going back far enough in time we come to the point of the creation of the universe.
Following on from some other thread, I recall something like "belief is divine, religion is man-made"
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Re: George Carlin religion
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Taunton Blue Genie
As I have stated before, science means knowledge, pure and simple. It's a search to find out what is true.
Knowledge has no bias nor any statement to make and as out knowledge improves so does our best stab at understanding the universe and what's in it.
Religion is heaving with fanciful recycled myths and unsubstantiated absurdities.
As for atheism not being "normal, clever or correct" that's quite hilarious when set against religious stories.
You keep pre occupying yourself with the veracity of allegorical "myths"..... I don't mean this question as a criticism, it's certainly not a criticism but are you on the autistic spectrum? This may explain why you're a tad stuck on whether a myth is true or merely allegorical.
Atheist believe live occurred from a random bang and life is essentially meaningless. That's irrational and short sighted. You aren't the reasonable one in this discussion.
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Re: George Carlin religion
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Lither_1927
Salt Lake City?
Atheism isn't normal, you essentially believe the world was created by a random bang and that life is meaningless. That's not normal, rational or healthy for living a life.
No wonder you appear mentally unstable a lot of the time.
Your claim that 3% of Dr's believe in God is absolute nonesense.
But totally rational that you’re invisible friend in the sky did it? Haha
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Re: George Carlin religion
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Baloo
It would be bizarre for Humanists to concern themselves with a creator. Your post was about values - religion doesn’t speak exclusively about that and the supernatural isn’t a prerequisite to live a good and meaningful live.
Humanism assumes people are instrinsically good and will choose positive paths for their lives. A mistake.
Also, if humanism doesn't concern itself with a creator why bother setting it against religion, there's there's no competition.
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Re: George Carlin religion
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UNDERHILL1927
But totally rational that you’re invisible friend in the sky did it? Haha
Well, using the laws of science, you can NOT create something from nothing. It's a scientific impossibility. Your belief is irrational. Is this fresh news to you?
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Re: George Carlin religion
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Lither_1927
Well, using the laws of science, you can NOT create something from nothing. It's a scientific impossibility. Your belief is irrational. Is this fresh news to you?
Who created God?
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Re: George Carlin religion
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Lither_1927
You keep pre occupying yourself with the veracity of allegorical "myths"..... I don't mean this question as a criticism, it's certainly not a criticism but are you on the autistic spectrum? This may explain why you're a tad stuck on whether a myth is true or merely allegorical.
Atheist believe live occurred from a random bang and life is essentially meaningless. That's irrational and short sighted. You aren't the reasonable one in this discussion.
Thanks for the question about my mental health and for moving the debate to what my lay-preacher friend refers to as the 'pick and mix' fraternity. He is a fundamentalist and and once one concedes that part of a religion is allegory it's a very rocky path. He has left several congregations because they draw the line at allegory in different places and modern-day Archbishops and Popes pick and mix in different places similarly. If part of a religion is conceded as allegory, who is to say what isn't allegory and myth?
However, it's clear that you aren't someone who can debate things in a civilised manner and that you engage in unneccesary ad hominem remarks (such as referring to my mental state) so I won't bother engaging with you. May your God bless you.
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Re: George Carlin religion
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Lither_1927
Well, using the laws of science, you can NOT create something from nothing. It's a scientific impossibility. Your belief is irrational. Is this fresh news to you?
So who created god? And what the hell was he doing before he thought, “I’ll create earth and make people suffer for a laugh”
