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Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales
I can’t wait to see the fallout when they make speed limiters mandatory. Bring it on, I say.
There will come a time when people will say’ I can’t believe people were once given the ability to drive however fast they wanted and let loose’. A bit like how we can’t imagine driving without a seatbelt today.
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Originally Posted by
stevo
I can’t wait to see the fallout when they make speed limiters mandatory. Bring it on, I say.
There will come a time when people will say’ I can’t believe people were once given the ability to drive however fast they wanted and let loose’. A bit like how we can’t imagine driving without a seatbelt today.
Do you mean they are limited to exceeding 70mph, or they automatically kick in wherever in the country it is? That would require surveillance on a mass scale that does raise some civil liberty concerns.
I don't really see what the problem we are so desperate to solve is here? Roads are getting safer and safer. Does that really mean we want to lose the right to travel freely or be trusted to drive our own vehicles ourselves?
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Tuerto
You sound like Neil from 'The Young Ones' :hehe:
In the last week I've become a Fascistic, Authoritarian, Greta Thunberg, Guff-Talking, Leftie Anti-Christ :hehe:
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Originally Posted by
stevo
I can’t wait to see the fallout when they make speed limiters mandatory. Bring it on, I say.
There will come a time when people will say’ I can’t believe people were once given the ability to drive however fast they wanted and let loose’. A bit like how we can’t imagine driving without a seatbelt today.
:thumbup:
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Do you mean they are limited to exceeding 70mph, or they automatically kick in wherever in the country it is? That would require surveillance on a mass scale that does raise some civil liberty concerns.
I don't really see what the problem we are so desperate to solve is here? Roads are getting safer and safer. Does that really mean we want to lose the right to travel freely or be trusted to drive our own vehicles ourselves?
It doesn't require any surveillance, the tech already exists. There are no civil liberty concerns in the same way that there are no civil liberty concerns in not being able to carry a Swiss Army knife to a football match. It's a safety issue and you know this really.
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Citizen's Nephew
In the last week I've become a Fascistic, Authoritarian, Greta Thunberg, Guff-Talking, Leftie Anti-Christ :hehe:
Take away middle aged white blokes freedom to do what they want at your peril :hehe:
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Tuerto
You sound like Neil from 'The Young Ones' :hehe:
Whilst being the image of Vyvyan Bastard:hehe:
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Originally Posted by
Citizen's Nephew
It doesn't require any surveillance, the tech already exists. There are no civil liberty concerns in the same way that there are no civil liberty concerns in not being able to carry a Swiss Army knife to a football match. It's a safety issue and you know this really.
Sorry, but if every car is tracked and automatically has it's speed limited to suit where it is, then there are massive civil liberty concerns. Thats why I asked the question - does he mean in-built speed restrictions (tbh, I'd be happy with cars not being able to go 80mph+ for example) or tracking
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Spend limiters work like a SatNav does. It knows the speed limit of the road you’re on and limits the speed of your car appropriately. The tech has been around for years but no government is willing to mandate it because it won’t win them votes. Only a matter or time though.
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Originally Posted by
stevo
Spend limiters work like a SatNav does. It knows the speed limit of the road you’re on and limits the speed of your car appropriately. The tech has been around for years but no government is willing to mandate it because it won’t win them votes. Only a matter or time though.
We are into safety issues should this happen. Over the years I've had to accelerate to get out of dangerous situations, particularly on motorways, and as a result exceeded the speed limit. Lord knows what might have happened if a speed limiter had kicked in at such times.
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lisvaneblue
We are into safety issues should this happen. Over the years I've had to accelerate to get out of dangerous situations, particularly on motorways, and as a result exceeded the speed limit. Lord knows what might have happened if a speed limiter had kicked in at such times.
Ah yes but would those situations had occurred if everybody was going the speed limit thanks to their limiter
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Originally Posted by
stevo
Spend limiters work like a SatNav does. It knows the speed limit of the road you’re on and limits the speed of your car appropriately. The tech has been around for years but no government is willing to mandate it because it won’t win them votes. Only a matter or time though.
Like I said, I can see the benefit in cars being limited to say 80mph, but what on earth do we gain from the above?
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Speed limiters or some sort of tech to identify youve broken the speed limit is inevitable.
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Originally Posted by
Citizen's Nephew
It doesn't require any surveillance, the tech already exists. There are no civil liberty concerns in the same way that there are no civil liberty concerns in not being able to carry a Swiss Army knife to a football match. It's a safety issue and you know this really.
So the use of GPS tracking isnt an issue? Of course it is.
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stevo
Spend limiters work like a SatNav does.
I'm totally against spend limiters, affectionately known as the other half in my case, and she does work like a SatNav, as she is always phoning me up to see where I am.
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JamesWales
Like I said, I can see the benefit in cars being limited to say 80mph, but what on earth do we gain from the above?
Some people seem to want to live in a stale world where they’re totally governed by others.
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DryCleaning
So the use of GPS tracking isnt an issue? Of course it is.
Sure, if you don't want to be tracked than don't own a device or item with GPS tracking technology. SatNavs and phones do this already. It's worth doing some research for yourself and understanding the tech. a bit more. Your TV, your fridge, your home security system is tracking your comings and goings all the time.
Another tech. will be black box technology. That's a different ball game. Tesla are leaders in Autonomous Driving which is another fascinating technology which will need to have black boxes to be examined in the case of accidents and technical failures. This stuff logs everything you do.
Edit: add CCTV and facial recognition software (already in use for congestion charges) is worth mentioning too.
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the stopping distance of modern sports cars are about 50% shorter than the highway codes figures so for safety reasons the welsh government should give free or heavily subsidised sports cars to all drivers
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Originally Posted by
stevo
I can’t wait to see the fallout when they make speed limiters mandatory. Bring it on, I say.
There will come a time when people will say’ I can’t believe people were once given the ability to drive however fast they wanted and let loose’. A bit like how we can’t imagine driving without a seatbelt today.
What if you have an emergency like driving a heart attack victim to hospital in the middle of the night?
Or you're on an empty motorway at midnight?
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delmbox
Ah yes but would those situations had occurred if everybody was going the speed limit thanks to their limiter
~Maybe so?
But situations vary both with road conditions and vehicles. For example a car can be limited to 70mph on a motorway, but what about a car towing a caravan. The limiter is on the car set at 70, whereas the speed limit if towing is 60mph
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Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
~Maybe so?
But situations vary both with road conditions and vehicles. For example a car can be limited to 70mph on a motorway, but what about a car towing a caravan. The limiter is on the car set at 70, whereas the speed limit if towing is 60mph
Yeah but the limiter doesn't mean it can ONLY go 70 you maddo :hehe:
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Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
~Maybe so?
But situations vary both with road conditions and vehicles. For example a car can be limited to 70mph on a motorway, but what about a car towing a caravan. The limiter is on the car set at 70, whereas the speed limit if towing is 60mph
So basically the same situation that we have now?
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delmbox
Yeah but the limiter doesn't mean it can ONLY go 70 you maddo :hehe:
Of course..but it does mean the limiter will allow a car towing a caravan to travel at up to 70mph when the speed limiting for a vehicle towing is 60mph
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i stayed at the speed limit on a trip to and back from porthcawl i have to say there was many more cars and especially motor bikes driving closer to me behind than usual
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Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales
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Originally Posted by
Citizen's Nephew
Sure, if you don't want to be tracked than don't own a device or item with GPS tracking technology. SatNavs and phones do this already. It's worth doing some research for yourself and understanding the tech. a bit more. Your TV, your fridge, your home security system is tracking your comings and goings all the time.
Another tech. will be black box technology. That's a different ball game. Tesla are leaders in Autonomous Driving which is another fascinating technology which will need to have black boxes to be examined in the case of accidents and technical failures. This stuff logs everything you do.
Edit: add CCTV and facial recognition software (already in use for congestion charges) is worth mentioning too.
I'm very much aware of the tech but thanks for your condescending reply.
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All sounds like a bit of a stress. Maybe we should just leave things as they are?
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DryCleaning
I'm very much aware of the tech but thanks for your condescending reply.
I'm sorry if you found it condescending. It wasn't meant to be. One person's condescending is another person's just trying to be helpful and engage in an interesting topic.
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JamesWales
All sounds like a bit of a stress. Maybe we should just leave things as they are?
Smash those pesky printing presses.
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lisvaneblue
Of course..but it does mean the limiter will allow a car towing a caravan to travel at up to 70mph when the speed limiting for a vehicle towing is 60mph
Yeah but that's exactly the same as now apart from the fact that the car towing the caravan could technically go over 70mph now.
Not saying I'm for the speed limiter by the way but your logic isn't a reason not to bring it in
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lisvaneblue
Of course..but it does mean the limiter will allow a car towing a caravan to travel at up to 70mph when the speed limiting for a vehicle towing is 60mph
You could be onto something here, not sure if that Elon Musk fella at Tesla has thought of this. Give him a bell!:hehe:
Disclaimer: I'm just being mischievous and not condescending.
And just to be absolutely clear guys, as I said, flattering as it is, I'm not the person who has invented any of this tech. You're gonna have to take this up with Porsche, Tesla, Nissan, Toyota et al.
I'm just an 'humble Bluebird on a Cardiff City Forum. :ayatollah:
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delmbox
Yeah but that's exactly the same as now apart from the fact that the car towing the caravan could technically go over 70mph now.
Not saying I'm for the speed limiter by the way but your logic isn't a reason not to bring it in
You forgot to say, nobody, should be towing a caravan anyway! :hehe:
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Citizen's Nephew
I'm just an 'humble Bluebird on a Cardiff City Forum. :ayatollah:
Considering a moniker change to U Heep's Nephew? :-)
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Citizen's Nephew
Smash those pesky printing presses.
No, because there is a clear advantage of printing presses versus writing out everything in hand.
But when asked, no one has presented the benefits of my drive from A to B going from the current situation to one where my drive is monitored, controlled, registered, speed automatically changed and all the rest of it. Just seems like it adds a whole load of stress, reduces freedoms and allows a way for companies to make money out of something that previously they didn't.
Especially, as road deaths have been falling for years, and if anything have plateaued since some of the more recent 'safety' restrictions have become more common place.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Report..._Great_Britain
Seem's a reasonable question to ask.
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Cyclops
Considering a moniker change to U Heep's Nephew? :-)
Speed Limiters 4U Heep’s Nephew! ‘umble solutions for Bluebird motorists. I could sponsor a player!
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Citizen's Nephew
I could sponsor a player!
Go for it!
Player with a max speed of 10 mph - James Collins?
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JamesWales
No, because there is a clear advantage of printing presses versus writing out everything in hand.
But when asked, no one has presented the benefits of my drive from A to B going from the current situation to one where my drive is monitored, controlled, registered, speed automatically changed and all the rest of it. Just seems like it adds a whole load of stress, reduces freedoms and allows a way for companies to make money out of something that previously they didn't.
Especially, as road deaths have been falling for years, and if anything have plateaued since some of the more recent 'safety' restrictions have become more common place.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Report..._Great_Britain
Seem's a reasonable question to ask.
The more autonomous the driving experience the more time you’ll have to post on here. Hands free. Voice to text.
Let’s stop now and have a cold one in the beer garden! It’s such a lovely day.
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Citizen's Nephew
The more autonomous the driving experience the more time you’ll have to post on here. Hands free. Voice to text.
Let’s stop now and have a cold one in the beer garden! It’s such a lovely day.
Good idea. I'll be 5 mins late though ;)
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JamesWales
Good idea. I'll be 5 mins late though ;)
😆🍺🍻
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This was introduced where I live on practically all of the roads that were previously 30. With two kids I have to admit I was very much in favour.
After having a year of it I’m still in favour on side streets. For example ours where there is a school. However as an example the road that runs above and parallel to us is a ‘main road’ and when you’re going at 20mph I’ve even had idiots overtaking. I think it’s made the road more dangerous and, as much as I hate to say it, I think for the new limits to work they really must be enforced by average speed cameras. Sadly it will lead to people being caught out having a momentary lapse and also people being fixated on the Speedo. But either keep 30 and keep 20
For small side roads, or enforce 20 rigidly, because there is nothing worse than having some dickhead tailgating the whole journey. All in, or all out imo
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delmbox
Yeah but that's exactly the same as now apart from the fact that the car towing the caravan could technically go over 70mph now.
Not saying I'm for the speed limiter by the way but your logic isn't a reason not to bring it in
You're not thinking it through.
What would be the point of cars having a speed limiter to stop them exceeding the legal speed limit of 70mph on motorways, if that same car could tow a caravan at that speed albeit 10mph above the legal limit?