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Re: Burnley after Isaak Davies
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Originally Posted by
DubaiDai
Problem is from the players point of view- how much game time will they get under Morison ?
As good as everyone rates them they don’t seem to feature highly in the managers eyes
Davies was ahead of Harris and Watters under Morison last season, and Morison has given him almost all of his first team football - all of it apart from 10 minutes in McCarthy's final match.
If he wasn't injured he'd probably have been playing in the first XI already this season.
I don't see any evidence that he wants to sell Davies, Colwill or McGuiness, only some speculation from people who seem to have an axe to grind.
He's specifically said that Davies and Colwill aren't being rushed back because they are too important for us this season.
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Re: Burnley after Isaak Davies
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
Davies was ahead of Harris and Watters under Morison last season, and Morison has given him almost all of his first team football - all of it apart from 10 minutes in McCarthy's final match.
If he wasn't injured he'd probably have been playing in the first XI already this season.
I don't see any evidence that he wants to sell Davies, Colwill or McGuiness, only some speculation from people who seem to have an axe to grind.
He's specifically said that Davies and Colwill aren't being rushed back because they are too important for us this season.
You could feel the joy of some posters that we lost last night, jumping on as quickly as possible to have a dig. It’s almost as if this doesn’t happen every year lol.
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Re: Burnley after Isaak Davies
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
Davies was ahead of Harris and Watters under Morison last season, and Morison has given him almost all of his first team football - all of it apart from 10 minutes in McCarthy's final match.
If he wasn't injured he'd probably have been playing in the first XI already this season.
I don't see any evidence that he wants to sell Davies, Colwill or McGuiness, only some speculation from people who seem to have an axe to grind.
He's specifically said that Davies and Colwill aren't being rushed back because they are too important for us this season.
If McGuinness is not getting in the match day squad for league games, is having Denham picked in front of him and was only a sub last night, then I think we’d be okay about him leaving especially now we’ve signed Simpson.
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Re: Burnley after Isaak Davies
He has publicly stated that Davies and Colwill are both going nowhere if he has his way. He said he wants to bring them on.
He did add a rider of "unless a player come to me and says he wants a move"..... which may be a get-out clause if the club sell!
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Re: Burnley after Isaak Davies
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Originally Posted by
2b2bdoo
You could feel the joy of some posters that we lost last night, jumping on as quickly as possible to have a dig. It’s almost as if this doesn’t happen every year lol.
:hehe:
It’s that kind of apathy which has got you hoodwinked into accepting such mediocrity from the Btec Mourinho.
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Re: Burnley after Isaak Davies
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
He has publicly stated that Davies and Colwill are both going nowhere if he has his way. He said he wants to bring them on.
He did add a rider of "unless a player come to me and says he wants a move"..... which may be a get-out clause if the club sell!
Perhaps the player will want a move because they don’t feel appreciated enough. Let’s be honest Morison hardly endeared himself to Davies with his words at Bournemouth and wether that’s water under the bridge remains to be seen. Some players like an arm around the shoulder and let’s be honest Morison has not been that type of manager this far, quite the opposite. The dressing room will soon turn on a manager if they keep getting scapegoated whilst the manager takes no responsibility. If it was as simple as just saying I can’t tackle for them, I can’t clear for them, I can’t put the ball in the back of the net for them whilst taking no responsibility yourself all managers would be doing it and never getting the sack. That’s not how football operates and Morison should know that.
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Re: Burnley after Isaak Davies
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
:hehe:
It’s that kind of apathy which has got you hoodwinked into accepting such mediocrity from the Btec Mourinho.
It is what it is, I’m not totally convinced by Morison but in my opinion he deserved his chance. Whoever was manager had a hell of a job rebuilding a squad with next to no money. Time will tell if he’s up to it and if his signings have worked but I’m not going to start moaning and having sly digs on the back of a cup loss.
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Re: Burnley after Isaak Davies
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Originally Posted by
2b2bdoo
It is what it is, I’m not totally convinced by Morison but in my opinion he deserved his chance. Whoever was manager had a hell of a job rebuilding a squad with next to no money. Time will tell if he’s up to it and if his signings have worked but I’m not going to start moaning and having sly digs on the back of a cup loss.
Sly digs :hehe:
Dont be so precious. :hehe:
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Re: Burnley after Isaak Davies
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Perhaps the player will want a move because they don’t feel appreciated enough. Let’s be honest Morison hardly endeared himself to Davies with his words at Bournemouth and wether that’s water under the bridge remains to be seen. Some players like an arm around the shoulder and let’s be honest Morison has not been that type of manager this far, quite the opposite. The dressing room will soon turn on a manager if they keep getting scapegoated whilst the manager takes no responsibility. If it was as simple as just saying I can’t tackle for them, I can’t clear for them, I can’t put the ball in the back of the net for them whilst taking no responsibility yourself all managers would be doing it and never getting the sack. That’s not how football operates and Morison should know that.
He seemed to have a good relationship with Dramah, maybe he likes players that give their all and follow instructions?
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Re: Burnley after Isaak Davies
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
He seemed to have a good relationship with Dramah, maybe he likes players that give their all and follow instructions?
Are you suggesting Isaak Davies hasn’t given his all in a Cardiff shirt?
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Re: Burnley after Isaak Davies
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
what's the problem with any of that?
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Re: Burnley after Isaak Davies
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
:facepalm:
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Re: Burnley after Isaak Davies
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
what's the problem with any of that?
He talks too much. Way too much. Gives too much away. Private stuff. Workplace stuff. Way too much. He just needs to shut up.
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Re: Burnley after Isaak Davies
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Originally Posted by
Citizen's Nephew
He talks too much. Way too much. Gives too much away. Private stuff. Workplace stuff. Way too much. He just needs to shut up.
:thumbup: Should have just left it at the Kompany stuff, which I don't agree with either.
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Re: Burnley after Isaak Davies
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Originally Posted by
Citizen's Nephew
He talks too much. Way too much. Gives too much away. Private stuff. Workplace stuff. Way too much. He just needs to shut up.
Personally don't have a problem with what SM said - I like his honesty and from what he says he seems to have the best interest of Davies at heart.
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Re: Burnley after Isaak Davies
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Originally Posted by
Nobody's Rep
Personally don't have a problem with what SM said - I like his honesty and from what he says he seems to have the best interest of Davies at heart.
I admire your trust and confidence. Don't take any notice of me as I'm a distrusting, cranky, old cynic who sees nothing good in the world or anyone just pain and misery. But hey, that's football!
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Re: Burnley after Isaak Davies
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
what's the problem with any of that?
Nothing. Looks like people have just read the headline and gone nuts.
He hasn’t had any pop at Isaak there at all.
I don’t think SM is faultless but it’s strange how much stick he gets for not giving stock answers when fans have criticised managers for not being open and honest in the past.
Weird.
I know JR has obviously has a valid grievance but hopefully SM can see where he’s going wrong and develop. He’s a brand new manager, and will make lots of mistakes early on.
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Re: Burnley after Isaak Davies
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Originally Posted by
WJ99mobile
Nothing. Looks like people have just read the headline and gone nuts.
He hasn’t had any pop at Isaak there at all.
I don’t think SM is faultless but it’s strange how much stick he gets for not giving stock answers when fans have criticised managers for not being open and honest in the past.
Weird.
I know JR has obviously has a valid grievance but hopefully SM can see where he’s going wrong and develop. He’s a brand new manager, and will make lots of mistakes early on.
Why is it any more weird to criticise than praise or fawn? I think the whole point about Pedro posting that link is that it was a p*ss take on him making mistakes but not learning i.e. he just doesn't shut up. Why do we have to be so in awe of a complete stranger just because some dudes in suits decided he'll manage our team? He's in the public domain. It's part of football.
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Re: Burnley after Isaak Davies
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Originally Posted by
Nobody's Rep
Personally don't have a problem with what SM said - I like his honesty and from what he says he seems to have the best interest of Davies at heart.
LOL
In front of the media maybe.
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Re: Burnley after Isaak Davies
I suspect he was having a go at Davies’ agent. He’s explaining that putting this out publicly does him (Davies) no favours. I don’t have a problem with this although I’m certainly not in SM’s camp.
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Re: Burnley after Isaak Davies
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
LOL
In front of the media maybe.
If he had a problem with him he would have accepted Burnley F.C’s bid.
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Re: Burnley after Isaak Davies
I don’t think there’s a lot wrong with what he’s said but if he does rate Isaak he’s had a funny way of showing it up until now that’s all I’m saying.
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Re: Burnley after Isaak Davies
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Originally Posted by
WJ99mobile
Nothing. Looks like people have just read the headline and gone nuts.
He hasn’t had any pop at Isaak there at all.
I don’t think SM is faultless but it’s strange how much stick he gets for not giving stock answers when fans have criticised managers for not being open and honest in the past.
Weird.
I know JR has obviously has a valid grievance but hopefully SM can see where he’s going wrong and develop. He’s a brand new manager, and will make lots of mistakes early on.
Why the bloke from Dallas has a valid grievance, God knows?
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Re: Burnley after Isaak Davies
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Originally Posted by
TWGL1
If he had a problem with him he would have accepted Burnley F.C’s bid.
It’s not up to him to accept anything it’s up to the club.
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Re: Burnley after Isaak Davies
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Originally Posted by
Dave Blue
I suspect he was having a go at Davies’ agent. He’s explaining that putting this out publicly does him (Davies) no favours. I don’t have a problem with this although I’m certainly not in SM’s camp.
I'm putting you down as a 'maybe' on my obsessively well kept list of believers and non believers who post on this board.
I've got a PowerPoint presentation ready and I've recipes for all kinds of varieties of humble pie :hehe:
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Re: Burnley after Isaak Davies
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
It’s not up to him to accept anything it’s up to the club.
No it’s not , however , he would have an influence…… That being said the window is still open …….
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Re: Burnley after Isaak Davies
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Originally Posted by
TWGL1
No it’s not , however , he would have an influence…… That being said the window is still open …….
It’s not up to the club to accept an offer? I think you’ll find it is.
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Re: Burnley after Isaak Davies
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
I don’t think there’s a lot wrong with what he’s said but if he does rate Isaak he’s had a funny way of showing it up until now that’s all I’m saying.
I don't like you when you're rational and fair! :hehe:
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Re: Burnley after Isaak Davies
Maybe one good thing will come out of it and Morison realises he has a little diamond on his hands, who is wanted by other championship
Clubs and starts showing him a bit more love.
Maybe that’s why Morison got the hump with it being made public, puts a bit of pressure on him.
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Re: Burnley after Isaak Davies
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Maybe one good thing will come out of it and Morison realises he has a little diamond on his hands, who is wanted by other championship
Clubs and starts showing him a bit more love.
Maybe that’s why Morison got the hump with it being made public, puts a bit of pressure on him.
Playing him regularly wasn’t he?
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Re: Burnley after Isaak Davies
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Maybe one good thing will come out of it and Morison realises he has a little diamond on his hands, who is wanted by other championship
Clubs and starts showing him a bit more love.
Maybe that’s why Morison got the hump with it being made public, puts a bit of pressure on him.
The leak could have come from Bellamy allbeit indirectly.
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Re: Burnley after Isaak Davies
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Originally Posted by
2b2bdoo
Playing him regularly wasn’t he?
Mainly as a sub but that’s irrelevant. Managing people is about more than that. Things behind the scenes.
As I’ve said previously some players need an arm around the shoulder. Maybe more do these days. Tough love doesn’t work in 2022. Mourinho and all he was won in the game has found that out a number of times in the last decade.
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Re: Burnley after Isaak Davies
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Originally Posted by
TWGL1
The leak could have come from Bellamy allbeit indirectly.
Bellamy probably speaks to Isaak more than Morison does. He’s his hero and mentor.
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Re: Burnley after Isaak Davies
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Bellamy probably speaks to Isaak more than Morison does. He’s his hero and mentor.
I’ve been told Bellamy still acts as a mentor to a number of his ex youth players from his time here. Some still with Cardiff, some who have moved on. That’s the mark of the man. I wish he was Cardiff City manager. I hope he will be one day.
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Re: Burnley after Isaak Davies
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Mainly as a sub but that’s irrelevant. Managing people is about more than that. Things behind the scenes.
As I’ve said previously some players need an arm around the shoulder. Maybe more do these days. Tough love doesn’t work in 2022. Mourinho and all he was won in the game has found that out a number of times in the last decade.
You maybe right and he might be a bit delicate but I thought he was using him well last season. Seems to be the trend of a lot of that generation though. If he goes so be it but if he stays I can see him being a regular. Money talks though.
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Re: Burnley after Isaak Davies
I'm guessing Morison and Gabbidon aren't the closest of pals then...
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Re: Burnley after Isaak Davies
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
LOL
In front of the media maybe.
Yeah you LOL away as you keep saying you have other information to the contrary but isn't the right time to disclose so good for you - so pleased for you
Me I will form my judgements on the evidence I do know about and hopefully we will go our seperate ways 👍
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Re: Burnley after Isaak Davies
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Originally Posted by
Nobody's Rep
Yeah you LOL away as you keep saying you have other information to the contrary but isn't the right time to disclose so good for you - so pleased for you
Me I will form my judgements on the evidence I do know about and hopefully we will go our seperate ways 👍
There’s no need to be upset