Cadiff city fan threatened with assault after challenging homophobic abuse

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

This is a strange response from someone who's avatar is promoting a charity, and I quote, from the Register of Charities:

WILLOWS CENTRE TROEDYRHIW

The Willows Centre Troedyrhiw exists to support social, educational and recreational activites for all community members in Troedyrhiw and surrounding areas. The Centre aims to promote and actively encourage equality for all community members in order to fulfil their potential as empowered individuals and as members of groups.

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I wish someone would empower our strikers.

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Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927

If grown ups want to meet up and batter the **** out of each other in the name of football then let them carry on. Homophobic, sexist or racist abuse should always be called out and stamped out

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I agree but where does it stop are you gonna start calling out lads that are coked up or even vaping in the ground because if that starts happening there will be a lot more empty seats than there were on Saturday.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

The anti-English stuff has been a public order offence for the past 24 years, and has been debated here many times. Here's one instance: https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...=1#post5042180

That's the type of racism which the club, its officials, coppers on duty and most fans are prepared to tolerate year in, year out.

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Absolutely. I think that's the thing. This is considered more acceptable than one individual using a gay slur at someone who isn't gay. That's not right, it's not a good word whether said in malice or jest, I just think theres a bit of hypocrisy.

It's worse with Wales atm mind.

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Originally Posted by Whisperer

I agree but where does it stop are you gonna start calling out lads that are coked up or even vaping in the ground because if that starts happening there will be a lot more empty seats than there were on Saturday.

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I’d imagine it stops with calling out homophobic, racist or sexist abuse. How you’ve got to “but won’t somebody think of the potential consequences for the cokeheads and vapers” from this case is pretty mental

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Originally Posted by delmbox

I’d imagine it stops with calling out homophobic, racist or sexist abuse. How you’ve got to “but won’t somebody think of the potential consequences for the cokeheads and vapers” from this case is pretty mental

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Although I think it's fair to ask 'where does it end', this did make me laugh.

Won't someone think of the cokeheads and vapers!?

To even mention Coke heads and vapers in the context is ridiculous

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I cannot ever recollect using the word faggot in anger, or any other slur. Cennydd was right to stand up to him, although that is a brave thing to do, and I'm not convinced these things do make the world a more harmonious place, but it was still the right thing to do.

Genuinely, what are peoples thoughts on calling out and pinpointing those singing songs such as 'always shit on the English side of the bridge' or the '**** the union jack' part of the viva Gareth Bale song when Wales at CCS?

It's certainly comes under discriminatory and offensive

https://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/club...afety-security

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I don’t think anyone could say that the English have historically been a persecuted minority, who (rightly) tend to be the ones protected in these kind of cases, and I can’t really remember any instances of gay fans bringing inflatable women to the game with them to goad the heterosexuals into a reaction like the English do with their sheep.

And in terms of the Bale song, whether we like/recognize it or not the Union Jack is a flag that technically represents us as far as I see it we can insult it all we want

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Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927

To even mention Coke heads and vapers in the context is ridiculous

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Not really - it’s all illegal in the eyes of the moral ethics committee.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

I don’t think anyone could say that the English have historically been a persecuted minority, who (rightly) tend to be the ones protected in these kind of cases, and I can’t really remember any instances of gay fans bringing inflatable women to the game with them to goad the heterosexuals into a reaction like the English do with their sheep.

And in terms of the Bale song, whether we like/recognize it or not the Union Jack is a flag that technically represents us as far as I see it we can insult it all we want

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So being a bigoted c**t is okay even if it makes people feel uncomfortable, depending on the people involved? So there is the right kind and the wrong kind of abusive behaviour?

I think this is the kind of double standards I mean. I know a few English people who live in Cardiff and embrace the cultural aspects the city offers but avoid Cardiff City like the plague, largely because of attitudes like this.

I'm not really saying we should all be shopping people in for everything said, thats not a pleasant world to live in, but I do think there is a lot of hypocrisy

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Originally Posted by Whisperer

I agree but where does it stop are you gonna start calling out lads that are coked up or even vaping in the ground because if that starts happening there will be a lot more empty seats than there were on Saturday.

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I think you'll find the opposite would be true.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

So being a bigoted c**t is okay even if it makes people feel uncomfortable, depending on the people involved? So there is the right kind and the wrong kind of abusive behaviour?

I think this is the kind of double standards I mean. I know a few English people who live in Cardiff and embrace the cultural aspects the city offers but avoid Cardiff City like the plague, largely because of attitudes like this.

I'm not really saying we should all be shopping people in for everything said, thats not a pleasant world to live in, but I do think there is a lot of hypocrisy

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I think you're hijacking a thread about homophobia.

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

I think you're hijacking a thread about homophobia.

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No, the thread has moved on to the rights and wrongs of reporting it, the consequences thereof, and whether there are other scenarios that make people feel unwelcome in the ground.

I asked what peoples thoughts on it were.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I think this is the kind of double standards I mean. I know a few English people who live in Cardiff and embrace the cultural aspects the city offers but avoid Cardiff City like the plague, largely because of attitudes like this.

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I often bring a few of my girls football team up, they all know " what goes on at football, stays at football ", all the girls are English, I have explained its just football banter, I know one of them takes it to heart and it does " sour " her day at the football ( her mum has told me ) but thats just football, its improved a lot over the years, but its still edgy at times and I wouldn't want it too sterile

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Blue Matt the CCMB kangaroo court hereby sentences you to 2 years imprisonment and a lifetime ban from ever moderating a football forum again.

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What Again ? ? ?

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Originally Posted by az city

Please keep posting. I, for one, value your input.

The problem is, as always, a vocal minority with unfathomable views make people with a variety of reasonable and alternative opinions turn away from debate. Effectively, it's a version of message board Gresham's Law.

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Anyone who disagrees with you has "Unfathomable views" but your views are reasonable? Lol
You once stated on here that you are FOR open borders. I.E. No borders on the planet what so ever. Very reasonable view that is...

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Originally Posted by delmbox

I’d imagine it stops with calling out homophobic, racist or sexist abuse. How you’ve got to “but won’t somebody think of the potential consequences for the cokeheads and vapers” from this case is pretty mental

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You sound like a brainwashed citizen of cultural marxism. Sometimes the middle class can be so painful to watch.

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Originally Posted by blue matt

I often bring a few of my girls football team up, they all know " what goes on at football, stays at football ", all the girls are English, I have explained its just football banter, I know one of them takes it to heart and it does " sour " her day at the football ( her mum has told me ) but thats just football, its improved a lot over the years, but its still edgy at times and I wouldn't want it too sterile

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I agree, I don't want it to be sterile. I think these things can be complex and nuanced issues, and I suppose that's my point.

I know that some people are intimidated by certain chants and behaviour that are discriminatory and are against the ground regulations but some people have defended, whilst objecting (rightly) to the homophobic slur.

I don't know what the answer is really. Probably that we call it out more, understand things more and maybe dont label everything as a hate crime when it may not be. It may just be arsehole behaviour.

We are all inconsistent and thats part of what makes us human I guess.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

No, the thread has moved on to the rights and wrongs of reporting it, the consequences thereof, and whether there are other scenarios that make people feel unwelcome in the ground.

I asked what peoples thoughts on it were.

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Only because that's the direction you decided to take it. Organ linked to a previous thread on this. I'm not being awkward here, it's just that if we dilute the homophobic element it just gets lost and that's the part that sparked this whole 'discussion' (actually it was the WOL piece and Ceneydd to be fair).

I didn't particularly want to get involved in this thread and tried hard to stay away from it and Matt got both barrels. The reason is, that if our moderator is the equivalent of a steward, then they weren't helping. That was my point. This is, after all, a public space and stuff is picked up in search engines so there's a direct link back to anyone on here posting comments and 'representing' the fan base. People research this sh*t. It's not a good look.

This also feeds into a exactly the type of problem we're seeing, and that is, when people do say something, they're made to feel bad by some people. This is what happens in real life. This is real life. It's happened in this thread. We're made to feel guilty for spoiling the fun of people who are spoiling our fun and we either shut up or take a kicking.

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

Only because that's the direction you decided to take it. Organ linked to a previous thread on this. I'm not being awkward here, it's just that if we dilute the homophobic element it just gets lost and that's the part that sparked this whole 'discussion' (actually it was the WOL piece and Ceneydd to be fair).

I didn't particularly want to get involved in this thread and tried hard to stay away from it and Matt got both barrels. The reason is, that if our moderator is the equivalent of a steward, then they weren't helping. That was my point. This is, after all, a public space and stuff is picked up in search engines so there's a direct link back to anyone on here posting comments and 'representing' the fan base. People research this sh*t. It's not a good look.

This also feeds into a exactly the type of problem we're seeing, and that is, when people do say something, they're made to feel bad by some people. This is what happens in real life. This is real life. It's happened in this thread. We're made to feel guilty for spoiling the fun of people who are spoiling our fun and we either shut up or take a kicking.

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People can take the threads where they like.

Homophobia is a repulsive attitude, as is hating someone for where they are from.

I guess the point in understanding all this, is that when someone uses the term faggot at a non gay player, it may be repulsive, he may be an arse, and he should expect to be called out on it, but it is one example of that, and we have over examples of bigotry that people in this thread tolerate, whilst rightly condoning other types.

I think to explore these kinds of issues, what is and isnt abuse, what it says about fans, the rights and wrongs of calling it out etc, whilst also condemning homophobia is a reasonable thing.

It was probably only 10 years ago and I remember we played Brighton at home one evening (they had a horrific fluorescent green and black top on) and the Canton End sang a lot of "does your boyfriend know you're here" type chants to much laughter etc. Times have changed since then, I don't know whether we need to react the way this thread has discussed to every single instance when 10 years ago mass chanting was common and when we still mass chant other forms of discriminatory songs.

It's an interesting topic.

Homosexuals have never created institutions that have endeavoured to exploit and bury other cultures.

The rainbow flag represents pride in defiance against bigotry and hate.

The union jack flag represents pride in violent, military dominance.

Comparing the two is pretty twisted.

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Originally Posted by Divine Wright

Homosexuals have never created institutions that have endeavoured to exploit and bury other cultures.

The rainbow flag represents pride in defiance against bigotry and hate.

The union jack flag represents pride in violent, military dominance.

Comparing the two is pretty twisted.

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Easy to see why that particular kind of discriminatory behaviour is tolerated by some if thats what you think.

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Originally Posted by Divine Wright

Homosexuals have never created institutions that have endeavoured to exploit and bury other cultures.

The rainbow flag represents pride in defiance against bigotry and hate.

The union jack flag represents pride in violent, military dominance.

Comparing the two is pretty twisted.

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but the lgb hate the t the lg hate the b the flag segregates the black and brown ,stonewall is an institution thats sole purpose is to exploit and gay quarters erase as much 'straight' a possible.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Easy to see why that particular kind of discriminatory behaviour is tolerated by some if thats what you think.

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Is is literally a flag made from the flags of countries England conquered and colonised. And we're not even represented on it.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Is is literally a flag made from the flags of countries England conquered and colonised. And we're not even represented on it.

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even though we helped conquer the scot , no effing gratitude

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

Anyone who disagrees with you has "Unfathomable views" but your views are reasonable? Lol
You once stated on here that you are FOR open borders. I.E. No borders on the planet what so ever. Very reasonable view that is...

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There's a rumour running around that you're supposedly a christian? How would your god feel about your predilection towards discriminating among the planet's peoples with borders. There is only once race on the planet - the human race.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Easy to see why that particular kind of discriminatory behaviour is tolerated by some if thats what you think.

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Is it? He is correct.

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Originally Posted by az city

Is it? He is correct.

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Your inability to see the world from a different perspective is quite striking.

The UK's history is very similar to most other western countries. That doesn't make abusing people because of their nationality okay, especially when you are in a thread that is (rightly) condemning someone using a gay slur (against someone who isn't gay) and then condoning mass xenophobic chanting.

You are either consistent or not on this really.

Being homophobic is apparently the same as saying '**** the union jack' in James' world. I award you gold in the mental gymnastics category, incredible performance.

Although saying that the anti-English chants do make me cringe especially as the majority of our players are English.

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Originally Posted by Doucas

Being homophobic is apparently the same as saying '**** the union jack' in James' world. I award you gold in the mental gymnastics category, incredible performance.

Although saying that the anti-English chants do make me cringe especially as the majority of our players are English.

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I think being a homophobe and a xenophobe are pretty similar tbh.

The mental gymnastics are being performed by those who rightly object to one (albeit a comment by one person aimed at a non gay person lets remember) and the tolerance of mass chanting which makes many feel uncomfortable, but is fine, cos...well, cos they say it is..mainly it seems due to some absurd radical personal interpretation of a flags meaning. That makes it okay then.

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Originally Posted by az city

There's a rumour running around that you're supposedly a christian? How would your god feel about your predilection to and there arewards discriminating among the planet's peoples with borders. There is only once race on the planet - the human race.

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Open borders is an EXTREME leftist position which would lead to chaos and social problems. And you think you're reasonable? Zero self awareness

Our God created the races differently. What you're espousing is naive wishful thinking. You're an extremist.

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

Open borders is an EXTREME leftist position which would lead to chaos and social problems. And you think you're reasonable? Zero self awareness
Our God created the races differently. What you're espousing is naive wishful thinking. You're an extremist.

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You need to **** off this site. Can't believe you haven't already. Spouting neo nazi shit. I hope it's just a case of the moderator not quite understanding what you're about.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

You need to **** off this site. Can't believe you haven't already. Spouting neo nazi shit. I hope it's just a case of the moderator not quite understanding what you're about.

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I think he/she is about winding people up. Best to ignore him/her.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

You need to **** off this site. Can't believe you haven't already. Spouting neo nazi shit. I hope it's just a case of the moderator not quite understanding what you're about.

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I'm not a neo nazi at all. Being against open borders doesn't make you a neo nazi you absolute wet wipe. Open borders would probably lead to the balkanisation of many regions and war. Not to mention the logistics with a free health care system being overwhelmed with health tourists from around the globe. You're happy with your National Insurance contributions healing the world are you? How does a 4 year wait to see a cancer specialist sound to you? If you support open borders you're holding a very extreme position. Stick to skimming walls would be my suggestion.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Your inability to see the world from a different perspective is quite striking.

The UK's history is very similar to most other western countries. That doesn't make abusing people because of their nationality okay, especially when you are in a thread that is (rightly) condemning someone using a gay slur (against someone who isn't gay) and then condoning mass xenophobic chanting.

You are either consistent or not on this really.

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Dear Tory Boy (light),

I think you'll find I was referring to the composition of the flag you're probably draped in.

Me condone xenophobia? The person on here who openly advocates a no-border world. No, Jimbo, you're are confusing me with your amoral populist Tory Boy mates.

I would have thought you'd be happy with the xenophobic card? Let's be honest, it's what led to Brexit. How are all those benefits accruing to you? Just curious.

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

Open borders is an EXTREME leftist position which would lead to chaos and social problems. And you think you're reasonable? Zero self awareness

Our God created the races differently. What you're espousing is naive wishful thinking. You're an extremist.

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This EXTREME leftism sounds good. I googled it to find out more and couldn't find it anywhere apart from the vacuum in your cranium.

Where exactly in the creationist fantasy in your magic book did your god create all these "races"? I am only vaguely aware of Adam and Eve bedtime story for 3 year olds.

If Watters scores a goal in an empty forest and there's nobody there to see it....did it actually happen?

Edit: sorry guys, I'm in the wrong thread. Easy mistake to make as they all start going the same way after a while.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

You need to **** off this site. Can't believe you haven't already. Spouting neo nazi shit. I hope it's just a case of the moderator not quite understanding what you're about.

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Why are you trying to get me banned?

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Originally Posted by az city

This EXTREME leftism sounds good. I googled it to find out more and couldn't find it anywhere apart from the vacuum in your cranium.

Where exactly in the creationist fantasy in your magic book did your god create all these "races"? I am only vaguely aware of Adam and Eve bedtime story for 3 year olds.

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The google algorithm produces a lot of bollocks and its heavily censored with wokeness. Intresting to see that's YOUR bible. Lol
There are differences between different haplo groups. despite your naive wishful thinking there are Scientificly proven differences.

If Christianity is a made up story, then you can explain what came before the universe. Within science you can't create something from nothing. Something can not bring itself into existence, to do that it must already exist. So, what came before the big bang?

Also, if you implement open borders would that spell the end of the NHS? Or would you be happy waiting 4 years to see a cancer specialist...

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

If Watters scores a goal in an empty forest and there's nobody there to see it....did it actually happen?

Edit: sorry guys, I'm in the wrong thread. Easy mistake to make as they all start going the same way after a while.

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Sorry guys. Seems this was the right thread after all. My mistake. Carry on.

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

Why are you trying to get me banned?

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Because you're a ****.