The UK deserves this. We keep voting for the worst of us, most don't care about how their vote effects the most vulnerable in society but now this will hit people badly perhaps we'll be more careful with our votes.
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The UK deserves this. We keep voting for the worst of us, most don't care about how their vote effects the most vulnerable in society but now this will hit people badly perhaps we'll be more careful with our votes.
I agree. We are collectively responsible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doucas
We deserve what we are prepared to tolerate.
Agreed Wales is in a hell of a state :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Doucas
I know what you are trying to say but the Tories and Brexit vote were no where near a majority of the electorate. In the GE, it wasn’t even the majority who voted. Doubtless the extra hike in energy bills won’t trouble many Tories but a good number will inevitably start to ask what they are ‘Conservatives’ for. A warped ideology isn’t going to pay the bills.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doucas
I agree. Our tidal lagoons could be up and running by now producing electricity for years and reducing our need to burn gas for electricity had the UK Tories agreed with the Welsh Tories and every other Party in Wales.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doucas
We also need a national programme to move away from gas central heating and towards home solar and ground heat pumps.
Lot's of pubs do a meal and a drink for £10 -£11, in January it might be cheaper for some to go to the pub, nurse a drink for hours watch the football, rather than eating at home and heating the house?Quote:
Originally Posted by Canton Kev
I bet you think you're really clever with snide comments like that. At the end of the day you voted for the party that's in charge of the UK, you voted for brexit, you are the reason we are in this state, take some responsibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
And the Russians are burning off £8 million a day of Gas on the border of Finland as they can’t store it? This world is just so messed up ffsQuote:
Originally Posted by bobh
Climate change: Russia burns off gas as Europe's energy bills rocket https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-62652133
It'll be cheaper to have a gym membership and then the nation can become healthier as well as save on heating and eating.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
Disagree with this message. Been a long time since the energy industry was privatised. Labour had 13 years to re-nationalise them and failed to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doucas
Well my reply to that is Corbyn would have done it. I wouldn't have voted for Blair back then if I were old enough, I won't be voting for Starmer either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
It was a genuine reply, Drakeford is the Leader it must be his fault for the World wide cost of energy has gone up, thats what lots on here are saying?Quote:
Originally Posted by Doucas
The same for the English people, it must be Boris's fault for them?
I mean why didn't Drakeford and Boris, stop the World puting the price up, it's there job surely, if they had we wouldn't have this problem?
And don't get me started on Corona Virus, they just let that virus do what ever it wanted!
You know nobody is saying that.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
Drakeford has no power over energy in Wales, he can't nationalise it. The Tories in Westminster can but refuse.
Tell me how the tories are Labour in Wales are the same as the tories in Westminster in this situation, go on, I bet you can't.
I wonder what the impact on bills would have been if the Tories hadn't shut down the UKs largest gas storage facility in 2017.
Nice edit.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
How come this is only happening in the UK then? No other countries are seeing any other electric and gas bills like this. A friend of mine who used to post on this board Dudders now lives in Sweden,want to know his bill for this month? £12.30.
France's bills only increased by 4%
What I find with every single conservative without failure, you can never explain why other countries are doing better, you can never explain why we used to do better.
Sweden to help households as electricity prices soar over 266%Quote:
Originally Posted by Doucas
https://www.euronews.com/2022/01/12/...-soar-over-266
It's all centre left Magdalena Andersson's fault, why can't she control the World wide cost of energy!
We haven't got a Striker why can't Boris just give us some more money so we can buy one, it's his fault the players demand such high wages, if anything goes wrong it must be Boris's fault, i'm a lefty and it's my default position?Quote:
Originally Posted by Doucas
If jewamy had got in none of this would have happened, no Corona, no Ukraine War, no energy crisis, no Striker crisis!
Just had an Eureka thought.
I was going to dismantle the greenhouse this autumn, but we can live in it during the winter. Everyone knows greenhouses trap heat. Just needs a few chairs and take the staging out - and there's already lectric and water there.
Not so crazy when you think of all the ole men who live in their greenhouses on allotments.
Ok great Sweden actually helps their citizens, thank you for making my point for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
Every Country is going to help citizens, the UK included, they've already said!Quote:
Originally Posted by Doucas
Honestly this response is embarrassing, you have the critical thinking skills of a 5 year old.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
If Corbyn had got in he would have tried to nationalise energy like the French who have bills 4% higher than previously. Are you denying this?
Other countries are helping their citizens while we are doing basically nothing.
Still waiting for you to tell me how Drakeford is equally as culpable as Westminster in this. I want you to be specific in your answers.
What has the price of Gas got to do with government[s] ? And now you're back on the Brexit topic, the euro is bombing, inflation is just as bad if not worse, and unemployment is much worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doucas
My mates bills in Sweden are £12 a month. My bills if I renewed right now are £420 a month. Don't pretend that the UK has made anything other than a token effort.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
I'm bored of trying to educate you, every post turns into a party policitcal broadcast on behalf of the Comunist party, lets just move this post to the Politics baord and you can spout your nonsense to someone who gives a $$$$Quote:
Originally Posted by Doucas
Why is the UK being hit worse than the majority of countries? Why are we acting less than other countries? I'm STILL waiting for one of you to answer this. You never can and you just deflect deflect deflect.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
The #1 cause of this is corporate greed tied in with our corrupt government.
Sweden is a very expensive Country your mates a liar, you said that not one of them has ever told a lie?Quote:
Originally Posted by Doucas
You didn't fix until 2024? Is that Boris's fault you decided to stay on a variable energy tarif?
How about your mortgage did you have the sense to fix that before they go up seeing as you know everything?
Nationalisation takes years and costs billions. It's not free to just take someone elses business.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doucas
The UK is doing lots. Everyone will have £66 knocked off their monthly bill from October, but the fundementals are caused by the war in Ukraine.
Stop lying. It's one thing to spend your day in the twittersphere but when you leave there and come elsewhere you just get exposed as a fantasist.
You want the rise in energy prices to be caused by the government, but that doesn't mean they are
The UK Government: "tRuSt in tHE fREe mArkEt"Quote:
Originally Posted by Doucas
The energy market: wow somehow I've ended up with record profits AGAIN. lol. Oh well, time to increase prices by another 100% lmao.
Any evidence for this statement? I haven't seen any.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doucas
In short as per usual you can't answer the simplest of questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
Of course you won't he talks nonsense, if anything goes wrong it's not his fault, why can't he be a postman work a couple of hours a day and have a nice house and car, it's everyone elses fault especially Boris's and the baby boomers!Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Put the kettle on, make your Missus a cup of tea, have a hobnob, and enjoy life for a few minutes..Quote:
Originally Posted by Doucas
My mates bill, I'll await your apology. I just think people shouldn't be pushed into poverty for having to pay for electric and gas. Yeah I did actually I'm fixed in my mortgage for another 4.5 years old man.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
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You are rattled.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
You ignore the arguements I'm saying and then make up what I've said like a typical old fool who votes conservative.
any thoughts on this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
I've never seen a bill like that before, but i've seen a picture from the internet similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doucas
Didn't fix your electric and gas, school boy error young chap!
Made up nonsense if true pdf the full bill, if not your obviously telling fibs !
It takes seconds to true check stuff on the internet you clown!Quote:
Originally Posted by Doucas
Sweden is among the European countries with the most expensive electricity.
https://countryeconomy.com/energy-an...usehold/sweden
We should never have gifted it in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
James you are the last person on the planet to call someone a fantacist, having a meltdown the other day about how the word gammon is racist :hehe:
Why are bills only up 4% in France, why is my mate paying only £12 a month?
I have not once blamed the rise of gas prices on this government, I don't know why you keep saying that? I'm blaming the lack of a coherent energy policy on this government, I'm blaming huge amounts of people going into fuel poverty on this government because others have acted while ours does nothing but token efforts.
Do you not understand the difference between bills people are getting and electricity/gas costs? Are you incapable of seperating the two?Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
I'm not putting my mates full bill on here with personal details. But go on, go to Google Images, upload the image and see if there are copies, bet you won't find one.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
I'm not going to look at this thread again. I've had my wits end of selfish tories and I'm just waiting for people like you to die out and stop inflicting utter misery on the most vulnerable in society.