“The silent majority” - yeah right.

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You can’t find them on social media feeds?

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How can they be on social media feeds when they have been banned by social media :hehe:

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How can they be on social media feeds when they have been banned by social media :hehe:

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Everybody who’s argued the PCR test had a high false positive rate and said they should only isolate the vulnerable and elderly have been banned from social media?

If you say you’re English these days they throw you in jail

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Originally Posted by delmbox

Everybody who’s argued the PCR test had a high false positive rate and said they should only isolate the vulnerable and elderly have been banned from social media?

If you say you’re English these days they throw you in jail

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Hello Mr Straw Man.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1570034199754571776

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

No they wouldn't at all. This is the point. Libertarians do support views from all sides. Polly's newspaper very very rarely do.

Here's supposed 'right wing' libertarians (Sic) Guido Fawkes and Free Speech Union supporting them
https://order-order.com/2022/09/14/c...r-free-speech/

Here's the guardian, making it's opinion on free speech perfectly clear: "You agree with us or shut up you racist!"

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...dont-boo-cheer
https://www.theguardian.com/football...otball-grounds

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Real libertarians might have disagreed with the sort of minor anti royal protests we've seen in the last week or so, but they would have accepted the right of the people concerned to make them. However, there's a new right wing, snowflake libertarian about these days who have an attitude of I'm free to say and do what I like and bugger the consequences. They're also intolerant of any dissenting voices to their opinions - the likes of the Daily Mail, Daily Express and Sun are full of these bullies who twenty five years ago would have been piling into the Royal family for their reaction to Princess Diana's death.

There are some bullies on the left working for papers like the Guardian and Mirror as well and I'm not fully convinced that it is totally a fear of the consequences of them reporting the events of the past week in a different way which has led to the BBC's grovelling attitude towards the Royals. However. I do think it is a reasonable argument that Polly Toynbee makes and so I do have a bit more sympathy towards the Corporation about this than I did this time yesterday.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

https://twitter.com/i/status/1570034199754571776

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I thought it was a sincere piece at first. :hehe:

That supreme royal crawler Nicholas Witchell has likely been in huge demand to appear on US TV networks to share sycophantic anecdotes with his visage suitably woebegone.

Something akin to: "She was wonderful in every possible way. When she broke wind in my presence, which was a regular occurrence, I was always reminded of the Viennese Philharmonic Orchestra in all its pomp."

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Real libertarians might have disagreed with the sort of minor anti royal protests we've seen in the last week or so, but they would have accepted the right of the people concerned to make them. However, there's a new right wing, snowflake libertarian about these days who have an attitude of I'm free to say and do what I like and bugger the consequences. They're also intolerant of any dissenting voices to their opinions - the likes of the Daily Mail, Daily Express and Sun are full of these bullies who twenty five years ago would have been piling into the Royal family for their reaction to Princess Diana's death.

There are some bullies on the left working for papers like the Guardian and Mirror as well and I'm not fully convinced that it is totally a fear of the consequences of them reporting the events of the past week in a different way which has led to the BBC's grovelling attitude towards the Royals. However. I do think it is a reasonable argument that Polly Toynbee makes and so I do have a bit more sympathy towards the Corporation about this than I did this time yesterday.

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I think it's just the general divisiveness with which she frequently writes, and the smug kind of air she always accuses others of perpetuating a culture war, as if the stuff she pumps out isn't so. She speaks of a 'right wing mob'but thats almost entirely in her imagination. It isn't so. I've seen loads of voices 'on the right' (and left too) express the importance of the right to protest. I've also seen people across the spectrum criticise peoples decision to protest at a funeral or memorial service, which is also a fair point.

There are grey areas here though; Firstly, someone's right to protest vs causing offence. The guardian is very selective on that. Would they support someone raising grooming gang issues at some random mosque in Rotherham? Did they support booing of taking the knee? These are totally crass and insensitive things to do, but lie within peoples right to protest.

FWIW, I think most are agreed that irrespective of your opinion on the monarchy agree that booing minutes silence is essentially just very bad behaviour, and thats not inconsistent with absolutely defending someone's right to do it.

It's just her general tone. Anyone who has a different opinion is 'fuming' or a 'mob', 'heresy hunters'.

I think probably the worst example of these kind of witchhunts I've seen is when people ganged up on companies to stop them advertising on GB news before the channel even launched. They were strangely silent on that one..

63.2% of the Worlds population watched the Queens funeral service today. Estimated to be 5.1bn

Sources BBC

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63.2% of the Worlds population watched the Queens funeral service today. Estimated to be 5.1bn

Sources BBC

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.Nicholas whitchel counted them himself, I believe it.

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Originally Posted by Pilkers

.Nicholas whitchel counted them himself, I believe it.

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Let’s not be silly now.

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63.2% of the Worlds population watched the Queens funeral service today. Estimated to be 5.1bn

Sources BBC

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Utter bollocks!

99.9% of this mb watched the historic event.

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Originally Posted by Alfresco

99.9% of this mb watched the historic event.

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Thanks for your hard work contacting all members of this MB and collating the results.

Great effort.

What was the final headcount for the MB?

I haven’t watched TV for 5 weeks and have not seen (or heard) any of the royal death and subsequent soap opera coverage. So if 1000 members of the board (that many excluding bots?) I must be the 0.1%.

Somehow I think there may be more of us.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Thanks for your hard work contacting all members of this MB and collating the results.

Great effort.

What was the final headcount for the MB?

I haven’t watched TV for 5 weeks and have not seen (or heard) any of the royal death and subsequent soap opera coverage. So if 1000 members of the board (that many excluding bots?) I must be the 0.1%.

Somehow I think there may be more of us.

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Don't think many have gone without TV for 5 weeks :hehe: How have you managed to avoid such a historical event?

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Don't think many have gone without TV for 5 weeks :hehe: How have you managed to avoid such a historical event?

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It’s easy - avoid websites like the BBC or any newspapers, and if you’re watching tv just watch Netflix etc

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It’s easy - avoid websites like the BBC or any newspapers, and if you’re watching tv just watch Netflix etc

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Just got through two series of better call saul since yesterday morning. No interest at all in seeing a posh old English women getting planted. Netflix must be loving this shit.

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Thanks for your hard work contacting all members of this MB and collating the results.

Great effort.

What was the final headcount for the MB?

I haven’t watched TV for 5 weeks and have not seen (or heard) any of the royal death and subsequent soap opera coverage. So if 1000 members of the board (that many excluding bots?) I must be the 0.1%.

Somehow I think there may be more of us.

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Although I do genuinely respect and understand the position of being a republican (I am in a theoretical if not practical sense one my self). I also respect someone may personally dislike the queen herself, although that is I think a far less common position and I am not sure it is yours. I also totally understand, and agree with, people thinking a lot of the coverage is a bit much.

However, I am not sure I understand the stance that someone who is undoubtedly as interested in politics and global affairs as you seem to be, in wanting to ignore it all?

There is the history, her history, our countries history, what she represents, linking the Britain of the war to the Britain of today.

There's the politics of what happens to the commonwealth countries, what happens to national bonds within the UK, how do our party leaders react? Does everyone coming together in the UK help ease EU or Irish border tensions? Has the period of non politics impacted the new PM's first weeks positively or not? Will it increase support for the monarchy or does her passing drive support for a republic?

Does the UK's standing in the world increase? Does it matter? These king of events can change opinions and politics, sometimes subtly, sometimes significantly.

There's just so much to absorb with it. Even if you wish it wasn't so, the fact is that it is news, and don't understand ignoring it all for that reason alone.

We have learnt this past week

• The Far left do not represent the people of The United Kingdom.
• The united Kingdom put on the best pageantry.
• At an estimated 4.1 billion watched this historic occasion.
• Scotland courtesy of today's event will reject independence.
• Mohammed Bin Salman couldn't get past the bouncers at the abbey
• CCMB is just an echo chamber of a vocal minority.
• Cardiff City will appoint another lame duck for a manager.
• The posh Democratic enclave of Martha's Vineyard held their noses for a day and then got rid pronto.
• Joe Biden was well down the pecking order for seat allocation.
• By decree of Joe Biden the pandemic is over.
• Liz Truss is capable of forgetting the things she said about the Monarchy when a younger liberal.
• Boris Johnson still doesn't possess a comb.
• Ukraine is mounting a decent counter offensive
• Attachment 5180

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Clandestine

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Originally Posted by Clandestine

We have learnt this past week

• The Far left do not represent the people of The United Kingdom.
• The united Kingdom put on the best pageantry.
• At an estimated 4.1 billion watched this historic occasion.
• Scotland courtesy of today's event will reject independence.
• Mohammed Bin Salman couldn't get past the bouncers at the abbey
• CCMB is just an echo chamber of a vocal minority.
• Cardiff City will appoint another lame duck for a manager.
• The posh Democratic enclave of Martha's Vineyard held their noses for a day and then got rid pronto.
• Joe Biden was well down the pecking order for seat allocation.
• By decree of Joe Biden the pandemic is over.
• Liz Truss is capable of forgetting the things she said about the Monarchy when a younger liberal.
• Boris Johnson still doesn't possess a comb.
• Ukraine is mounting a decent counter offensive
• Attachment 5180

A.T.B
Clandestine

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A large proportion of people in this country are brain dead if the death of someone they didn't even meet , never mind know sends them into crying fits

Absolute feck wits

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99.9% of this mb watched the historic event.

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Speak for yourself

And all the servicemen etc etc

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Although I do genuinely respect and understand the position of being a republican (I am in a theoretical if not practical sense one my self). I also respect someone may personally dislike the queen herself, although that is I think a far less common position and I am not sure it is yours. I also totally understand, and agree with, people thinking a lot of the coverage is a bit much.

However, I am not sure I understand the stance that someone who is undoubtedly as interested in politics and global affairs as you seem to be, in wanting to ignore it all?

There is the history, her history, out countries history, what she represents, linking the Britain of the war to the Britain of today.

There's the politics of what happens to the commonwealth countries, what happens to national bonds within the UK, how do our party leaders react? Does everyone coming together in the UK help ease EU or Irish border tensions? Has the period of non politics impacted the new PM's first weeks positively or not? Will it increase support for the monarchy or does her passing drive support for a republic?

Does the UK's standing in the world increase? Does it matter? These king of events can change opinions and politics, sometimes subtly, sometimes significantly.

There's just so much to absorb with it. Even if you wish it wasn't so, the fact is that it is news, and don't understand ignoring it all for that reason alone.

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People coming together? I dont think this country has ever been as divided. Majority of folk I know are utterly effed off having this deferential pish rammed down our necks all day and every day.

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People coming together? I dont think this country has ever been as divided. Majority of folk I know are utterly effed off having this deferential pish rammed down our necks all day and every day.

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I meant national leaders coming here.

Although I do think the country has come together a lot in the last week or so. Obviously not for everyone, but more than usual.

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Originally Posted by Clandestine

We have learnt this past week

• The Far left do not represent the people of The United Kingdom.
• The united Kingdom put on the best pageantry.
• At an estimated 4.1 billion watched this historic occasion.
• Scotland courtesy of today's event will reject independence.
• Mohammed Bin Salman couldn't get past the bouncers at the abbey
• CCMB is just an echo chamber of a vocal minority.
• Cardiff City will appoint another lame duck for a manager.
• The posh Democratic enclave of Martha's Vineyard held their noses for a day and then got rid pronto.
• Joe Biden was well down the pecking order for seat allocation.
• By decree of Joe Biden the pandemic is over.
• Liz Truss is capable of forgetting the things she said about the Monarchy when a younger liberal.
• Boris Johnson still doesn't possess a comb.
• Ukraine is mounting a decent counter offensive
• Attachment 5180

A.T.B
Clandestine

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Joe Biden probably didn't want to be there. Thou he was the most powerful man in the room by some distance. Unlike Mary o leary and the oddball you've just anointed as king hes also safe in the knowledge his country will still be intact and wont have broken up within the next decade.

There is absolutely no way that 4+ billion people watched the funeral.

Saw it reported on their TV news - maybe

Sat down and watched it - absolutely not.

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Thanks for your hard work contacting all members of this MB and collating the results.

Great effort.

What was the final headcount for the MB?

I haven’t watched TV for 5 weeks and have not seen (or heard) any of the royal death and subsequent soap opera coverage. So if 1000 members of the board (that many excluding bots?) I must be the 0.1%.

Somehow I think there may be more of us.

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Do you think he's who I think he is after being shunned off the board under his other persona? You can run but you can't hide.

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Do you think he's who I think he is after being shunned off the board under his other persona? You can run but you can't hide.

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I do. I also think the other ‘native’ poster who appeared the same week may be another one!

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I do. I also think the other ‘native’ poster who appeared the same week may be another one!

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Bingo! I think we've got a full house.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Although I do genuinely respect and understand the position of being a republican (I am in a theoretical if not practical sense one my self). I also respect someone may personally dislike the queen herself, although that is I think a far less common position and I am not sure it is yours. I also totally understand, and agree with, people thinking a lot of the coverage is a bit much.

However, I am not sure I understand the stance that someone who is undoubtedly as interested in politics and global affairs as you seem to be, in wanting to ignore it all?

There is the history, her history, our countries history, what she represents, linking the Britain of the war to the Britain of today.

There's the politics of what happens to the commonwealth countries, what happens to national bonds within the UK, how do our party leaders react? Does everyone coming together in the UK help ease EU or Irish border tensions? Has the period of non politics impacted the new PM's first weeks positively or not? Will it increase support for the monarchy or does her passing drive support for a republic?

Does the UK's standing in the world increase? Does it matter? These king of events can change opinions and politics, sometimes subtly, sometimes significantly.

There's just so much to absorb with it. Even if you wish it wasn't so, the fact is that it is news, and don't understand ignoring it all for that reason alone.

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I am a 63 year old republican socialist with a low threshold for fawning, sycophancy and bullshit. I didn’t do the royal jubilees, I missed all of the Chas and Di stuff, I didn’t watch the sickening outpouring of saccharine and subservience after the death of ‘The People’s Princess’, or any of the manufactured embarrassments that followed over royal events. It is hard to avoid the noise, but easy to avoid the coverage.

I have no animosity to Elizabeth Windsor - she had no choice where she was born and played her hand pretty well, but I despise the institution of monarchy and hereditary privilege and want no part of it if at all possible.

It is a major event. I recognise and accept that. So was the Nuremberg Rally. Just because something is big and important doesn’t mean everyone has to join in to be part of it!

This time has been easy. We have been travelling around Canada since early August - usually in B&Bs or hotels with a TV screen we have never turned on. We were in a taxi last week when the segment of the radio news that in passing covered the QE2 death was ‘sponsored’ by a funeral home!

Apart from that - nada. No reason to tune in and many many reason to be grateful that the circus is a long way away!

When I switched on 5 Live first thing this morning and heard the presenters still banging on about the Royals, that was when I decided to send an e - mail of complaint to the BBC about their completely one eyed coverage - with a poll showing the forty nine per cent of those polled thought there was too much coverage, the views of around half of the country seem to have been completely ignored.

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When I switched on 5 Live first thing this morning and heard the presenters still banging on about the Royals, that was when I decided to send an e - mail of complaint to the BBC about their completely one eyed coverage - with a poll showing the forty nine per cent of those polled thought there was too much coverage, the views of around half of the country seem to have been completely ignored.

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I believe that the poll concerned was before the weekend. The percentage may very well have risen in the following days.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

When I switched on 5 Live first thing this morning and heard the presenters still banging on about the Royals, that was when I decided to send an e - mail of complaint to the BBC about their completely one eyed coverage - with a poll showing the forty nine per cent of those polled thought there was too much coverage, the views of around half of the country seem to have been completely ignored.

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I've decided to leave the telly off for a few more days hoping eventually this hysteria will have devoured itself.

Well I for one enjoyed it. Looking back, I don't think the overriding feeling is one of grief more one of pride. She was an old lady who lived a long life and any death is sad, but I never knew her, had limited feelings on her and it would be a bug lie to say I felt any grief.

In that sense, the coverage, at it's most solemn, was over the top, as I think was the sheer amount of hours and newspaper inches given.

That said, I do think it was a very symbolically important event in the country's history, because I do think she was a link to a world we now read about in the history books; ie the second world war, post war Britain etc. You don't have to be an arch monarchist to recognise that.

The pride I felt was in the country coming together a little more than usual, and sharing, for most, something in common, in the way that Wales did in the summer of 2016, or England did last summer. The nearest thing I can thing of that was similar was the 2012 olympics, which also had it's detractors. I also think the weather, the showing off of the architecture, the genuine feelings many had showed us in a good light. I also think the break from political bickering at a national level was refreshing. I do think the national mood has shifted by a degree or two, and will be interesting to see what happens in the coming months and years and what kind of role Charles has.

It is time to move on now of course, and legitimate conversations about the royal family should continue and I would like to see numerous changes but I can still look back on that last week with a sense of pride and will look back fondly on the queens role.

This coming together , great Britain cobblers is absolute tosh

I don't know anyone among my social circle who was even vaguely interested in all the nonsense

I have nothing in common with people who catch a train to London to stand in line for 12 hours before having a little cry for the cameras then coming home . I don't want uniting with these deranged souls .

These people are nutters.

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This coming together , great Britain cobblers is absolute tosh

I don't know anyone among my social circle who was even vaguely interested in all the nonsense

I have nothing in common with people who catch a train to London to stand in line for 12 hours before having a little cry for the cameras then coming home . I don't want uniting with these deranged souls .

These people are nutters.

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Like I said..it wasn't for everyone. Although I dare say that anyone who did feel some positivity about it all may have just not told you about it.

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Originally Posted by Clandestine

We have learnt this past week

• The Far left do not represent the people of The United Kingdom.
• The united Kingdom put on the best pageantry.
• At an estimated 4.1 billion watched this historic occasion.
• Scotland courtesy of today's event will reject independence.
• Mohammed Bin Salman couldn't get past the bouncers at the abbey
• CCMB is just an echo chamber of a vocal minority.
• Cardiff City will appoint another lame duck for a manager.
• The posh Democratic enclave of Martha's Vineyard held their noses for a day and then got rid pronto.
• Joe Biden was well down the pecking order for seat allocation.
• By decree of Joe Biden the pandemic is over.
• Liz Truss is capable of forgetting the things she said about the Monarchy when a younger liberal.
• Boris Johnson still doesn't possess a comb.
• Ukraine is mounting a decent counter offensive
• Attachment 5180

A.T.B
Clandestine

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4.1 billion people watched this event or some reports saying 5.1 billion people watched the event yesterday thats 63% of the worlds population

i find that hard to believe in fact a load of hogwash would love to see the stats here must have been Bidens dominion machines wired up to the grid !

A.T.B Mozzer

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Originally Posted by MOZZER2

4.1 billion people watched this event or some reports saying 5.1 billion people watched the event yesterday thats 63% of the worlds population

i find that hard to believe in fact a load of hogwash would love to see the stats here must have been Bidens dominion machines wired up to the grid !

A.T.B Mozzer

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There's no way whatsoever that 4.1bn watched it. tbf, that seems to be made up on social media. You often see that kind of thing with world cup finals and the like.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Well I for one enjoyed it. Looking back, I don't think the overriding feeling is one of grief more one of pride. She was an old lady who lived a long life and any death is sad, but I never knew her, had limited feelings on her and it would be a bug lie to say I felt any grief.

In that sense, the coverage, at it's most solemn, was over the top, as I think was the sheer amount of hours and newspaper inches given.

That said, I do think it was a very symbolically important event in the country's history, because I do think she was a link to a world we now read about in the history books; ie the second world war, post war Britain etc. You don't have to be an arch monarchist to recognise that.

The pride I felt was in the country coming together a little more than usual, and sharing, for most, something in common, in the way that Wales did in the summer of 2016, or England did last summer. The nearest thing I can thing of that was similar was the 2012 olympics, which also had it's detractors. I also think the weather, the showing off of the architecture, the genuine feelings many had showed us in a good light. I also think the break from political bickering at a national level was refreshing. I do think the national mood has shifted by a degree or two, and will be interesting to see what happens in the coming months and years and what kind of role Charles has.

It is time to move on now of course, and legitimate conversations about the royal family should continue and I would like to see numerous changes but I can still look back on that last week with a sense of pride and will look back fondly on the queens role.

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You say it's a world we now read about in history books, but it strikes me that it's a world many would return to at a drop of a hat if they could. Too many of the generation that came after the Second World War have this truly bizarre nostalgia for ir - it's almost as if they're sad to have missed our on it.

Did the country really "come together"? How can we know when anyone with a differing opinion was, effectively, ignored by the mainstream media?

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Originally Posted by Clandestine

We have learnt this past week

• The Far left do not represent the people of The United Kingdom.
• The united Kingdom put on the best pageantry.
• At an estimated 4.1 billion watched this historic occasion.
• Scotland courtesy of today's event will reject independence.
• Mohammed Bin Salman couldn't get past the bouncers at the abbey
• CCMB is just an echo chamber of a vocal minority.
• Cardiff City will appoint another lame duck for a manager.
• The posh Democratic enclave of Martha's Vineyard held their noses for a day and then got rid pronto.
• Joe Biden was well down the pecking order for seat allocation.
• By decree of Joe Biden the pandemic is over.
• Liz Truss is capable of forgetting the things she said about the Monarchy when a younger liberal.
• Boris Johnson still doesn't possess a comb.
• Ukraine is mounting a decent counter offensive
• Attachment 5180

A.T.B
Clandestine

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That's the Royal we you're using there I take it?

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You say it's a world we now read about in history books, but it strikes me that it's a world many would return to at a drop of a hat if they could. Too many of the generation that came after the Second World War have this truly bizarre nostalgia for ir - it's almost as if they're sad to have missed our on it.

Did the country really "come together"? How can we know when anyone with a differing opinion was, effectively, ignored by the mainstream media?

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The media projected just one take on the proceedings so the royalists were under the impression that the whole country was royalist. The saturation coverage was akin to that which we usually associate with totalitarian states.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

The media projected just one take on the proceedings so the royalists were under the impression that the whole country was royalist. The saturation coverage was akin to that which we usually associate with totalitarian states.

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Exactly! 🤙