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If he was likely to get the sack depending on the Middlesbrough game , then clearly it’s because of results, otherwise he would have gone after the Middlesbrough game regardless of the score. So you’re post is wide of the mark.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
I’m not saying this is bollocks but it suits a certain narrative.
Personally I would think he could scream until he’s blue in the face, but if he got results he would have still been in charge.
I think it has to be either somethings crossed the line or just not happy on his results. A few harsh comments here and there won’t get someone sacked.
Yeah I reckon he just didn’t butter Tan and co up the right way like Warnock might do for ie. He coached all these kids at u23 last few years didn’t he so not like they dont know him or what he’s like and they performed for him then. Didn’t bellers get accused of similar by some millennial snowflake whose dreams might have been shattered with a bit of home truth?Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
That's a group bollocking, no singling out.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
No matter what age you are there is absolutely no reason for it whatsoever. Even worse that, if true and I don’t doubt it for one moment, he’s twice the age of them, he should be wiser not showing off in front of the others. Because that’s what it is it’s acting the big I am and, as all bullies do, picking his victims. He’s so, so lucky that we’ve no old fashioned hard but decent men in the changing room..........or did a hard, decent player, who we aren’t aware of, react to his nonsense and show him up for the prick that he is?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maurice Swan
Ah ok, what about when Warnock blanked Joe Ralls for weeks, that’s pretty out of order in a workplace environment isn’t it ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
City's Minister of Propaganda is off.Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
He's not making it up, the issues with Morison's attitude towards some players has been talked about for months.
Morison could just have poor management strategies for modern day football or he's just a cuunt?
I know nothing about that. Yes, if he did blank ralls then that is childish and out of order. One difference (if it happened) Ralls is a seasoned pro, he's respected, and he was an asset at the time. He has the ability to bark back at warnock. Although i don't really understand what warnock has to do with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
When was this.? Only heard Warnock complimentary about Ralls.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
It was mentioned in his road show ,recently, I don’t think it was a big deal at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
Warnock’s gone, history, and if he acted like a twat, he is/was a twat. But this situation has nothing to do with anyone else bar Morison, anything else is ‘he said, she said’.......my next door neighbour hits his wife so it’s ok if I give mine a clip.....no it’s not, it’s two wrongs.
My point is all managers do things which can cause a player on the receiving end to feel marginalised.Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
Freezing a player out is hardly uncommon but is a method many managers use.It doesn’t get them the sack.
I think what he did (Morison)to Watters during the Cov game was appalling, but he didn’t get sacked
I believe that what Hartley has said holds some water, and some. Although on the slip side, if we were in a play off position then i'm not sure that what he has or hasn't said to certain players wouldn't be an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Have we really got such short memories of how Tan reacted when the fans were on his back circa 2015?
All those Photoshop images of him on here!
He didn't like criticism and having the rise taken out of him one little bit.
If SM (an employee) remonstrated with him, it's not difficult to imagine his swift reaction.
Remember this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIEH...el=BuzRainMOON
Perhaps it’s the pressure of our results and league position and his inability to handle it that’s brought his true colours out even more. If we were in a play off position his preening may have been cringeworthy but his treatment of players may have been a touch mellower due to to them obviously performing well. Then again he might have been an even bigger ‘I am’ than he has been.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Who knows? I just don't think that he was up to the job, he lacked social skills when dealing with the media and has this almost paradoxical way of managing. He spoke fluent 'Football' and it did sort of make him sound like a dick. Good luck to him, although i don't think that we will be seeing him in management any time soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
I clicked on warnocks interviewQuote:
Originally Posted by Cyclops
Wish we could rewind to that time now
Absolutely belting
Shame we haven’t pissed him off enough yetQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
My contact has told me that his behaviour with the players (especially the youngsters) was unacceptable, and his general attitude to the staff in the shop,,ticket office and main office was appalling. Dalman and Choo let it slide initially as they thought he was turning things around but when you're not doing well this behaviour will get you the boot.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Ticket office staff? Is it open then?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomcat
Asking for another board contributer.
Hold onQuote:
Originally Posted by Maurice Swan
I have worked for software companies all my career and currently work for one of the biggest.
The behaviour that you are referring to would not have been tolerated for a one millisecond in any of those companies, over more than 30 years.
(And I should be approaching retirement age…. )
Amazingly, there are ticket office staff there when the office is closed ..........Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
Harsh as he’s been good since.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927
It was a stressful and testing time for all and he has made amends
football is rife with stories like this, a player ( or group ) fall out with the manager and are bombed out to train with the kids and never see the 1st team again till they are sold , wasnt the name for them " the stiffs "Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
stiffs was the reserves.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
I heard he sent one of the young players to the stores for a long wait.
He didn't say he was working for a software company at the time he was shouted at.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Dandruff
He was pretty much defending and trying to justify defending what is unacceptable behaviour in any workplace though. Too many “never did me any harm” buggers still around excusing bullying. We keep having the same old discussions on here. It’s embarrassing tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardM
I didn't dispute that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew
https://youtu.be/j-iXXtOUdls
Take one for the team Maurice
You tory Jack bastard
Fair point Richard. You got the brunt of a reply to several posters mate. Apologies. Time for my bedtime.Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardM
I play futsal with a group of friends and a while back one lad, who often can be a little over-aggressive physically and verbally, said something as innocuous as "Fckin' hell!" to one of the other semi-regular lads who petulantly walked off the pitch and went home leaving his team a man down for the rest of the game. Was he right to storm off in a huff in that situation?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
I'd imagine that managers having a go at players in the dressing room happens up and down the country on a weekly basis, but they can't all be sacked for it. The problem is that these days, a lot of people feel entitled to have the world conform to their personal standards instead of vice versa. In an ideal world, nobody would get shouted at, but no-one lives in an ideal world.
If SM had a player against the wall by the throat, then fair enough (heard many stories in years gone by, e.g. Clough & Keane). For persistent workplace bullying/vindictiveness/spitefulness etc. fair enough and it shouldn't be tolerated. For getting a rollicking in the dressing room, you'd seriously ask for a transfer?
No, but I bet almost every professional footballer that came through the youth system has.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
I'm guessing you probably did. Genuine questions and with all due respect, what was it like? How did you feel when it happened? How did you feel at the end of the season.
Beacuase they haven't lived long enough to develop heart disease?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
I know you're not on a wind up. It's obvious you know someone whose kid is or was at the club. And who must have had a hard time from Morison. I just find it hard to belive that he was such a tyrant, that he got the youth team playing well, got the first team job, improved the style of play, recruited a bunch of players (many of whom said they came to the club because of him) whilst being a complete prick to everyone the whole time. I fully recognise that Morison has has been on a slow learning curve when it comes to tactics and results. I also recognise that there's not one home grown youngster who should be nailed on to start every week.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
My feeling at the moment is that there must be more to it, but I'm not going to die on that hill. Hopefully we'll get the truth at some point. My biggest hope though is just that we hire a better manager. And move forwards rather than backwards.
Tend to agree with this… 6 pages of nothingness based on a ‘rumour’… I hate rumours in the workplace.. they’re cancerousQuote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
The guy has gone.. who cares now.. Move on.
I’m not sure anyone would be prepared to confront Morison face to face with these accusations that somehow feel as though they have become fact for some.
At the risk of me sounding like being dml and being accised of being a multi….Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
Steve Morison is under 45… If for some crazy reason he reads this board I hope he isn’t the sort that would be affected by the vitriol pointed his way on the back of rumour…
Speaking for myself, I was prepared to go “the extra yard” for bosses I had respect for, I never really had a boss who ranted and raved (they wouldn’t have been tolerated in the public sector jobs where I spent the large majority of my working life), but there were plenty of bosses I didn’t have respect for forwhatever reason and they would not see the best of me when it came to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokyo Blue
Therefore, an approach like the one talked about in this thread would not have worked with me and I hardly think I’m unique in thinking like I do. Surely, a good manager within any walk of life is someone who correctly identifies those who need a metaphorical kick up the backside to get the best out of them and those who need persuasion and, within reason, acts accordingly.
I agree that a football dressing room should be a place for strong opinions to be expressed and individual and team errors addressed = there’s bound to be frustration and anger involved sometimes, but I’d use the words within reason again and add that, in my experience, people can accept and act on constructive criticism if it is put over effectively.
In the case of Steve Morison,it may be that he went beyond what are considered acceptable levels. Now, of course, that may be a completely unfair allegation to make because he never did anything of the sort, but, what I would say is that based on his public behaviour at times, it seems possible to me.
As I’ve said before on here, he was a self proclaimed Mr Angry as a player and I’ve heard pundits call him someone who didn’t suffer fools gladly - if you look at what he was prepared to say about young players (it was always youngsters) in public, you have to wonder what went on behind closed doors or on the training pitch.
Sounds like we need a bit of Roy Keane now to look after them all……is he free?:sherlock:
Very odd career path then.Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardM