The New Iron Lady

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Originally Posted by Rjk

I wonder what the excuse will be when this great reset obviously doesn't happen.

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Pick yourself up
Dust yourself off
Start conspiracy theorising again

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Originally Posted by Rjk

I wonder what the excuse will be when this great reset obviously doesn't happen.

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It'll be the same as when Trump was supposedly going to be reinstated as President after the election was proven to be fraudulent. Originally it was November, then January, then February, then Summer and presumably there is a new date Q-anon has promised that will come and go without incident. These were precise dates too not generalisations, they passed without the "prophecy" coming true every time. Instead of people thinking maybe they were wrong/had been misled they doubled down and said "Next time it'll really happen".

I've seen it been said that Covid was supposed to be the Great Reset, then lockdown, then the 2020 election, now Russia/Ukraine.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

There are two ways that such things are addressed by the Armageddon Crew:

1. Totally ignore posts that highlight previous failed predictions
2. Keep moving the timeline forward

The End is Nigh placard can be displayed ad infinitum.

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The best way is to completely ignore any post from WalesBales or Organ Morgan.

Eventually they'll get bored and leave and this board will be a better place without their incessant drivle.

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Originally Posted by Canton Kev

It'll be the same as when Trump was supposedly going to be reinstated as President after the election was proven to be fraudulent. Originally it was November, then January, then February, then Summer and presumably there is a new date Q-anon has promised that will come and go without incident. These were precise dates too not generalisations, they passed without the "prophecy" coming true every time. Instead of people thinking maybe they were wrong/had been misled they doubled down and said "Next time it'll really happen".

I've seen it been said that Covid was supposed to be the Great Reset, then lockdown, then the 2020 election, now Russia/Ukraine.

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Good thing you're not in charge then, cos it would be a total cock-up!

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Originally Posted by Claude Blue

The best way is to completely ignore any post from WalesBales or Organ Morgan.

Eventually they'll get bored and leave and this board will be a better place without their incessant drivle.

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I ignore the former as he is unbelievably tiresome and repetitive. He probably doesn't believe his own rhetoric and is merely a WUM (and definitely has a multi or three on the side). Organ Maudling is a different kettle of fish: humorous, loopy and an endearing fruit cake.

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Originally Posted by Canton Kev

It'll be the same as when Trump was supposedly going to be reinstated as President after the election was proven to be fraudulent. Originally it was November, then January, then February, then Summer and presumably there is a new date Q-anon has promised that will come and go without incident. These were precise dates too not generalisations, they passed without the "prophecy" coming true every time. Instead of people thinking maybe they were wrong/had been misled they doubled down and said "Next time it'll really happen".

I've seen it been said that Covid was supposed to be the Great Reset, then lockdown, then the 2020 election, now Russia/Ukraine.

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Sounds like the reset has had resets galore.

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Originally Posted by Claude Blue

The best way is to completely ignore any post from WalesBales or Organ Morgan.

Eventually they'll get bored and leave and this board will be a better place without their incessant drivle.

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Half right. Ignoring is the best policy but it takes more than that to get peace and quiet on here from them.

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Originally Posted by Claude Blue

The best way is to completely ignore any post from WalesBales or Organ Morgan.

Eventually they'll get bored and leave and this board will be a better place without their incessant drivle.

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They did for a year, both at the same time as well - can’t believe they’re a multi though.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

They did for a year, both at the same time as well - can’t believe they’re a multi though.

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I've always assumed they were one and the same :shrug:

Oh let the poor buggers enjoy themselves. They've obviously got no other interests and anyway, perhaps they've got it right, given the tyranny were all under reverting to fantasy is not such a bad idea.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

They did for a year, both at the same time as well - can’t believe they’re a multi though.

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They aren't. Organ Maudling is entertaining.

The updates from continental Europe today:

Euro to dollar down..pretty much the lowest this century..(like the £)
https://tradingeconomics.com/euro-area/currency

EU inflation UP (to 10%)
https://tradingeconomics.com/euro-area/inflation-cpi

Belgiums current account worst deficit this century
https://tradingeconomics.com/belgium/current-account

EU Unemployment rate steady (at 3% higher than ours)
https://tradingeconomics.com/euro-ar...mployment-rate

My point? Seeing as everyone on CCMB is in the business of endlessly reiterating their point. Mine is that if you choose to look, you'll see that barring the ridiciulous self-inflicted last few days, we are all in the same boat, many with leakier hulls than ourselves.

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Originally Posted by Claude Blue

I've always assumed they were one and the same :shrug:

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Well, if they are, fair play - he/they fooled me completely.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

The updates from continental Europe today:

Euro to dollar down..pretty much the lowest this century..(like the £)
https://tradingeconomics.com/euro-area/currency

EU inflation UP (to 10%)
https://tradingeconomics.com/euro-area/inflation-cpi

Belgiums current account worst deficit this century
https://tradingeconomics.com/belgium/current-account

EU Unemployment rate steady (at 3% higher than ours)
https://tradingeconomics.com/euro-ar...mployment-rate

My point? Seeing as everyone on CCMB is in the business of endlessly reiterating their point. Mine is that if you choose to look, you'll see that barring the ridiciulous self-inflicted last few days, we are all in the same boat, many with leakier hulls than ourselves.

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Yeah but it's pretty meaningless unless you look at it alongside wage data. If the UK median wage buys less than in those countries then the people in those countries have more wiggle room and can sustain themselves for longer during the crisis and so the real human effect would be greater in the uk. There are other factors too, like reliance on imports.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

What does “by and large” mean?

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Generally speaking

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Originally Posted by DryCleaning

Generally speaking

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The opposition parties won’t forget it, are people like Gofer Blue going to forget losing £10k from their pension pot? Clearly, there will be people who are saying they won’t vote Tory in polls now, who will do when the vote which counts comes, but Truss and Kwarteng are damaged goods from now on - the UK public have got to see their Britannia Unchained mind set and they don’t like it. Certain people benefitting to the tune of £50k plus a year while “the man and woman in the street” gets a few hundred is not a good luck for any Government.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

The opposition parties won’t forget it, are people like Gofer Blue going to forget losing £10k from their pension pot? Clearly, there will be people who are saying they won’t vote Tory in polls now, who will do when the vote which counts comes, but Truss and Kwarteng are damaged goods from now on - the UK public have got to see their Britannia Unchained mind set and they don’t like it. Certain people benefitting to the tune of £50k plus a year while “the man and woman in the street” gets a few hundred is not a good luck for any Government.

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You assume this forum is a bellwether of UK public opinion regarding politics. Its not.

For every article you've read condemning the Chancellor there are articles in support of the move back to true conservatism.

Two years a long enough to get some kind of political and economic traction, so things may not end up the way they are today.

I'd hazard a guess than in 12 months time, the war in Ukraine has abated, inflation and energy prices will be under control, many will have had pay rises, and the economy will be out of recession (if we're even in it). The Tory narrative will be this farce was down to Ukraine, and the right wing media will ignore everything else as we move towards the business end of the election cycle

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Originally Posted by DryCleaning

You assume this forum is a bellwether of UK public opinion regarding politics. Its not.

For every article you've read condemning the Chancellor there are articles in support of the move back to true conservatism.

Two years a long enough to get some kind of political and economic traction, so things may not end up the way they are today.

I'd hazard a guess than in 12 months time, the war in Ukraine has abated, inflation and energy prices will be under control, many will have had pay rises, and the economy will be out of recession (if we're even in it). The Tory narrative will be this farce was down to Ukraine, and the right wing media will ignore everything else as we move towards the business end of the election cycle

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The Conservative Government of 92 to 97 were haunted by Black Wednesday to the extent that it was a big factor in them being routed five years after the event and played a part in them being out of Government for thirteen years. The public did not forget the winter of discontent in 78/79 and Labour isn't working posters for decades - in fact, you could argue that they still haven't today. People also remember the smallest and, on the face of it, insignificant things like that jokey note by a Labour MP at the Treasury left to the incoming coalition Government in 2010 that all of the money had run out - I reckon that has cost Labour tens of thousands of votes in the past dozen years.

Having a sycophantic press on their side will help the Government, but this has the feel of something they cannot fully rescue. A one per cent tax cut should be something that can be paraded as a vote winner, yet Truss and Kwarteng are being seen as modern day Robin Hoods who take from the poor and give to the rich - as I mentioned earlier, a reputation for competence has to be gained over years, but can be lost in a minute and, once lost, it's very, very hard to regain.

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Originally Posted by DryCleaning

You assume this forum is a bellwether of UK public opinion regarding politics. Its not.

For every article you've read condemning the Chancellor there are articles in support of the move back to true conservatism.

Two years a long enough to get some kind of political and economic traction, so things may not end up the way they are today.

I'd hazard a guess than in 12 months time, the war in Ukraine has abated, inflation and energy prices will be under control, many will have had pay rises, and the economy will be out of recession (if we're even in it). The Tory narrative will be this farce was down to Ukraine, and the right wing media will ignore everything else as we move towards the business end of the election cycle

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There is no way that there's a fairly even split in opinion on the government in the past week.

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Originally Posted by lardy

There is no way that there's a fairly even split in opinion on the government in the past week.

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There have been a litany of articles in the right wing press in support. Just this morning the Daily Mail have lauded Simon Clarkes comments about a potential return to austerity.

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Originally Posted by DryCleaning

There have been a litany of articles in the right wing press in support. Just this morning the Daily Mail have lauded Simon Clarkes comments about a potential return to austerity.

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So for every one against it, there is more than one in support? Opinion is more supportive than not?

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Originally Posted by lardy

So for every one against it, there is more than one in support? Opinion is more supportive than not?

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Agreed, I shouldn't have used the plural ("there are articles") as this indicates more than the number of articles against. What I meant was that for every article criticising the mini-budget, there was an article somewhere else supporting it. We would have expected that given how politically polarised the media is in the UK.

RE: your latter comment, this depends on what you are reading and where you are looking.

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Originally Posted by DryCleaning

There have been a litany of articles in the right wing press in support. Just this morning the Daily Mail have lauded Simon Clarkes comments about a potential return to austerity.

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So, your saying that the polls (the 33 per cent one may be a freak, but there've been three others I believe showing Labour leads between seventeen and twenty four per cent) this week are just a coincidence and nothing to do with the fiscal event or whatever daft name Truss and Kwarteng gave their budget to ensure the OBR did not get the chance to have a look at it?

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Originally Posted by DryCleaning

Agreed, I shouldn't have used the plural ("there are articles") as this indicates more than the number of articles against. What I meant was that for every article criticising the mini-budget, there was an article somewhere else supporting it. We would have expected that given how politically polarised the media is in the UK.

RE: your latter comment, this depends on what you are reading and where you are looking.

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So you are saying there's a fairly even split. I don't think that's the case.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

So, your saying that the polls (the 33 per cent one may be a freak, but there've been three others I believe showing Labour leads between seventeen and twenty four per cent) this week are just a coincidence and nothing to do with the fiscal event or whatever daft name Truss and Kwarteng gave their budget to ensure the OBR did not get the chance to have a look at it?

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I'm not saying anything of the sort. Firstly, there are some in the right wing press who have openly supported Kwarteng. If this is a shock to you then it really shouldn't be. Secondly, mid term opinion polls almost always favour the opposition by a large margin.

Lets wait until after the GE before cracking open the bubbly

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Originally Posted by lardy

So you are saying there's a fairly even split. I don't think that's the case.

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That's ok, its alright to have differing views on any given subject.

Turns out this lady is for turning
Weak

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Originally Posted by superfeathers

Turns out this lady is for turning
Weak

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:hehe:

ain't that the truth. No substance, all rhetoric. just populist politics.

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Originally Posted by DryCleaning

:hehe:

ain't that the truth. No substance, all rhetoric. just populist politics.

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Absolutely. What a shambles!!

Today's Kwasi bingo card-
Growth Plan
Simply a distraction
Strong Package
Intervention
Energy Package

What an absolute shambles of chancellor.

Just for balance, didn't Gordon Brown/Labour reverse a planned tax/NIC rise?

I don't recall that being a shambles, just an ill thought out policy that was quickly reversed.

She wasnt getting it through Parliament.

Shes finished already.

The country needs an election.

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Originally Posted by DryCleaning

Just for balance, didn't Gordon Brown/Labour reverse a planned tax/NIC rise?

I don't recall that being a shambles, just an ill thought out policy that was quickly reversed.

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I'm not sure if Brown reversed a tax rise less than 24 hours after the PM said it was staying, but he certainly raised taxes for many.

It's a shambles because yesterday Truss said that it was a great policy that she would not abandon, and it was solely Kwarteng's decision to introduce.
Gove and Shapps amongst others express their concerns, then all of a sudden after a conversation between Truss and Kwasi it's been abolished.

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Originally Posted by DryCleaning

Just for balance, didn't Gordon Brown/Labour reverse a planned tax/NIC rise?

I don't recall that being a shambles, just an ill thought out policy that was quickly reversed.

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Quickly reversed?????????
:hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe:
I may be wrong, but I don't think he staunchly defended it right up to the day before. In a full tv interview.
Total and utter shambles of prime minister and government

Bendy Liz and Kwarteng the Quasi Chancellor

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Originally Posted by superfeathers

Quickly reversed?????????
:hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe:
I may be wrong, but I don't think he staunchly defended it right up to the day before. In a full tv interview.
Total and utter shambles of prime minister and government

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I'm pretty sure Brown defended it right up to the point of reversal.

The point being, these things happen. Granted the Tories do seem to be in a considerable mess whereas Labour (IIRC) weren't, as the narrative at the time was a party and government that listened, rather than a government thats a rudderless ship

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Originally Posted by DryCleaning

I'm pretty sure Brown defended it right up to the point of reversal.

The point being, these things happen. Granted the Tories do seem to be in a considerable mess whereas Labour (IIRC) weren't, as the narrative at the time was a party and government that listened, rather than a government thats a rudderless ship

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Do you think any sane politician could have thought that the idea was a good one, in the current climate?
Do you think crashing the markets and waiting TEN DAYS is good government?

it's absolute madness!

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Originally Posted by superfeathers

Do you think any sane politician could have thought that the idea was a good one, in the current climate?
Do you think crashing the markets and waiting TEN DAYS is good government?

it's absolute madness!

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If you're cutting top rates of tax you do it when the economy is buoyant, wages are rising and confidence is high.

You don't do it during a cost of living crisis.

They misjudged the room, that's for sure

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Originally Posted by DryCleaning

If you're cutting top rates of tax you do it when the economy is buoyant, wages are rising and confidence is high.

You don't do it during a cost of living crisis.

They misjudged the room, that's for sure

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And some. But anyone could have told them that!
Hence my original description, it's a total and utter shambles!
What's a few billion wipes off the markets though. Live and learn, these things happen. The cynical would be forgiven for thinking it was deliberate

I bet my ass that in 6 months all the goons are clapping the govt on question time

What a load of cobblers