I never saw that in the news, I must have missed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
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I never saw that in the news, I must have missed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Would have thougHt there’s a few on here who’ll dispute the last five paragraphs of that piece.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
I think there'll be a few disappointed that the article even addressed it as it ruins a good narrative. But at least the BBC are being responsible enough to discredit any vaccine nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I don’t think anybody is disappointed, and the vaccine has always been considered a must for people over 50.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
The issue for me is that the article suggests lockdown’s will eventually prove to be more harmful than if a different approach was taken.
The final paragraph also states:
While this data on its own can't tell us it's the vaccine protecting people from dying - there are too many complicating factors
They (TASS) are hardly going to discredit the rollout.
Why did you delete half of that sentence? You can tell from the word 'while' that there should be another more important clause.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
While this data on its own can't tell us it's the vaccine protecting people from dying - there are too many complicating factors - if vaccines were driving excess deaths we would expect this to be the other way around.
Have you looked at the yellow card system , perhaps you should.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
Now I have my own opinion on the report , but this is not the place to express them , especially with posters like you , and the main reason for posting is in the main to do with the negative impact of lockdown, which has always been a bug bear of mine.
I take TASS articles with an open mind.
Thanks
I asked why you deleted half of the sentence.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Yes, Organ Morgan has referenced the yellow card system on here a few times, and cherry picked parts of it (perhaps even taking half of a sentence) to try and disingenuously bolster his point.
Luckily a 'poster like me' was on hand to check the original and set the record straight. No need to thank me, we don't all wear capes.
You can add the venerable Dr Assem Malhotra to the list of sceptics who can be found here.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
The first tweet of his below I posted at another thread almost three months ago. All the Covid needle lovers swerved making a comment as his credentials and reputation is beyond reproach. Describing Pfizer as an immoral and psychopathic entity raised even my eyebrows.
He appears convinced the shots killed his old man judging from the second tweet. The problem I have with that one is he must have been aware about the informed consent issue, or rather the deliberate concealment of it in violation of the Nuremberg Code, but said nowt about it and instead chose to recommend their uptake.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It’s time to put patients before profits, to put truth before money, to put human needs ahead of the needs of an immoral, psychopathic entity. Let’s do this 👊👊👊 <a href="https://t.co/kGWf5rd0m2">pic.twitter.com/kGWf5rd0m2</a></p>— Dr Aseem Malhotra (@DrAseemMalhotra) <a href="https://twitter.com/DrAseemMalhotra/status/1582041655191797764?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 17, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Goodbye Papa. I promise you with all my heart I will ensure that your premature passing will not be in vain & that we achieve justice for those who have suffered unnecessarily from an mRNA jab that should likely never have been approved & certainly not without informed consent. <a href="https://t.co/Jo0vZeJBRi">pic.twitter.com/Jo0vZeJBRi</a></p>— Dr Aseem Malhotra (@DrAseemMalhotra) <a href="https://twitter.com/DrAseemMalhotra/status/1585599985860898816?
I’m actually making a pint about the impact of lockdown and the excessive deaths which are higher than when we were in a pandemic.
Data here makes interesting reading
https://twitter.com/statsjamie/statu...4KhL1avwXItpxw
What's your evidence for this statement?Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%...id-pandemic%2F
TWGL1 has given two pieces of evidence today.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
Admittedly the first, the BBC article, says in the opening paragraph:
"This represents one of the largest excess death levels outside the pandemic in 50 years.
Though far below peak pandemic levels, it has prompted questions about why more people are still dying than normal."
and the second is a twitter account that compares 2022 with 2015-19 specifically to avoid the pandemic years, but...erm...do your own research?
So you based the conclusion on a Telegraph article using one months comparative data. How many people died after being mauled by a dog in those periods out of interest?Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
But that seems to be a bit misleading, as it is comparing the weekly average in one month (October 2022, and not even a full month) with the weekly average of an entire year (2020 or 2021).Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
This from the ONS makes the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrI...Y2NiIsImMiOjh9
TWGL1 wants to talk about lockdowns, so that data gives a good opportunity to. It shows that in 2020 and 2021 the numbers fluctuated madly, from highs of 10,000+ to below zero (meaning fewer than expected). And a major reason for that is...lockdowns. Those zero months pulled the yearly average way down, so it's not that big a surprise that in 2022 there would be months above the 2020 or 2021 yearly averages.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
The purpose of the lockdowns (and obviously I did not enjoy them one bit and worried a lot about the mental impact on my family members before I get called a lockdown fanatic or something else ridiculous) was to stop people dying, and as with just about everything else in life it came with costs.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">UK excess deaths are off the scale. The vast majority are non Covid deaths.<br><br>Sky News: “We don’t know what is driving those excess deaths.” <a href="https://t.co/ebR0SNl7ii">pic.twitter.com/ebR0SNl7ii</a></p>— James Melville (@JamesMelville) <a href="https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1611034393702694924?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 5, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Could a greatly understaffed NHS have something to do with it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
Nah, more likely too much coffee, cold showers, excessive gardening or a number of other 'anything but the clot shots' reasons corporate media have suggested for excess deaths.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I don't doubt eating too much Christmas pud, or singing carols too raucously was the cause of the festive Durham die off.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Things are worsening quickly!<br><br>EIGHT sudden deaths in just ONE town on just ONE day!<br><br>Meanwhile nobody cares (except you and me)<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/diedsuddenly?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#di edsuddenly</a> <a href="https://t.co/PDVkYN5fm2">https://t.co/PDVkYN5fm2</a> <a href="https://t.co/PJsj1zet1r">pic.twitter.com/PJsj1zet1r</a></p>— Igor Chudov 🐭 (@ichudov) <a href="https://twitter.com/ichudov/status/1608487286429331457?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 29, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
Just look at the “permitted” data presented and make your own connection. There is plenty of data slowly being released and rather than trying to point score , why don’t you look at the data yourself.
You asked me to signpost you in the right direction and I have done so.
Go onto Twitter and hashtag excess deaths or go into a search engine and have a look for yourself..
Ultimately,they can’t explain it which in itself speaks volumes.
I don't really blame Cyril, Lardy and others for their permanent state of gormlessness re this affair.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Had I been nuts enough to have faith in Pfizer I'd prefer denial too than wonder which of myocarditis, pericarditis, heart attack, clotting or a turbo cancer I'll clock out with.
Permitted data, wtf is that?Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Point scoring seems to be your phrase for the New Year when you post your thoughts and others take issue with them.
You are asking us to look at stuff on twitter when only a few weeks ago you were lauding ONS data. Now it seems it only presents "permitted" data when it contradicts the stuff you are peddling.
Today you posted a BBC article that showed two pieces of evidence. That most of the excess deaths are in the over 50s and higher proportions of unvaccinated people are dying than vaccinated. Obviously those things don't suit a narrative as with the ONS data so it's off to another lily-pad.
Last year, off the top of my head, you gave us:Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
Giant black-eyed transhuman babies about to appear in their hundreds of thousands;
HIV in Vaccines;
Putin a black-belt Mason because he wore a robe imprinted with lotus flowers;
Australians bombarded with radiation by police at demos;
£1300 Primark coats;
Monkey pox let loose by the WEF because it's the real killer;
Accelerating economic collapse at the precise time world markets started to stabilise and
At least four forecasts that the world was about to be thrown into nuclear armaggedon, including one from Golden Girl, Betty White from beyond the grave.
Gormlessness doesn't do the word justice, Morg!
And China attacking Taiwan and, the month after next, the magnetic pole switch.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
But still he comes back for more. He must be a WUM merchant rather than being incredibly stupid.
No agenda from me, just stating that lockdown policies will cause more harm than good.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
“WTF permitted data “ yes permitted data.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
How about big pharmaceutical not allowing a full data drop for 75 years :hehe:
From what people etc are saying, the large numbers of non-Covid and non-NHS crisis deaths really started to take off since May 2022. How convenient the BBC only uses data up until June 2022.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
It would be interesting to know what they class as "unvaccinated". It could include people who have one or two...just like they did with so called "unvaccinated" deaths.
We SHOULD be in negative excess death territory after losing so many elderly / frail people .
Anyone trying to explain these deaths on NHS pressures has obviously not taken into account the same level of excess deaths is apparently happening across the western world for the same period and many countries with health services that aren’t struggling to the degree NHS is.
You’re the one who posted the BBC link and now you’re rubbishing it :facepalm:Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Maybe you realise that - hence your reluctance to back up your other claims in this message with evidence.
There is an argument to be had about the degree to which it’s responsible, but anyone who thinks that a seriously under resourced and employed NHS is having no effect on the UK’s excess deaths figure is deluding themselves.
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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Just to clarify your point, it’s not solely down to the NHS ,which is what you suggested, but the figures are similar in Europe with more effective health services. I’ve already stated my opinion in respect of the article posted.
Understaffed :hehe:
Biggest employer in Europe apparently
So you're saying that the NHS, with it's tens of thousands of vacancies, is not understaffed?Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Every big organisation has vacancies, from cleaners to M.D’s and CEO’sQuote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I think it’s adequately staffed if it’s the biggest employer in Europe and one of the largest in the world and you could argue per population it’s the worlds biggest employer.
Reforms are needed not even more staff.
I forgot to add my Sister in Law , front line , took over four months to start in her job, ( from successful at interview to starting,) and had to resign her previous job before receiving her contractQuote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
What’s 133,000 between friends eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/s...-care-sectors/
9%
Way below the average
https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentand.../september2022
You’re getting desperate now :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
And obsessed.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Not obsessed at all, just happy to prove to people who installed themselves as self appointed government deputies who curtain twitched and called people anti this and anti that out in respect of policies that were clearly flawed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
I wonder how many clapped the NHS every Thursday like sheep on government instruction, when clearly that was a psychop tool for compliance , otherwise we wouldn’t be having strikes and walkout’s either.
And there we have it. Someone with no professed agenda who was blessed with a gift of enlightenment and insight, honour bound to show sheeple and curtain twitchers the true path.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Though, just like other similarly gifted who have graced this group, like Ronnie Bird and Wales-Ampadu, or whatever that user id is now calling itself, they all reach exactly the same conclusions using exactly the same fringe sources to confirm their special talents!
There is a definite difference between agenda and opinion .Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
I like how you try and label my opinion to other posters on this board , it’s getting quite comical.
Looks like you may have been in the control group and are one of these self appointed government deputies……I guess it give you a perception of self importance :popcorn: