Lamouchi and Bamba....

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Really? In 2018/19 under Karanka and then O'Neill, Forest finished 9th in the Championship on 66 points. In 2019/20 under Lamouchi, they finished 7th on 70 points. Hardly an earth-shattering improvement. They were bottom of the table on zero points after four games (and had been knocked out of the League Cup) when he was sacked in October 2020, having scored just one goal in five matches.

To be honest, I'm a bit non-plussed by the reaction to this appointment (if it happens). It's a major relief that Whitehead isn't going to lead the team for the rest of the season as he looks like a rabbit in the headlights, but this guy hardly has what could be described as an impressive record at club level. Who knows, he may do well here and I hope he does after the garbage we've witnessed in recent seasons, but there's nothing on his CV that makes me confident he will.

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He said mess. A club can be a mess and still win games.

It's been said over and over how he brought the club together, players fans and staff etc. Improved players etc.

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

It is a good, solid appointment.

An appointment like this should have followed McCarthy but you can't have everything. Well done to them for bringing this bloke in though.

Hopefully this is a turning point on and off the field. Onwards and upwards.

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Fair play 🙃

His managerial statistics are here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabri_Lamouchi

From that, he's been unemployed for the past 17 months. That seems a long time as the football manager merry-go-round whizzes ever faster.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

From that, he's been unemployed for the past 17 months. That seems a long time as the football manager merry-go-round whizzes ever faster.

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Rennes finished 9th in the French top flight 2016/17. They were tenth in the table when Lamouchi took over in November 2017. He'd lifted them up to fifth by the end of the 2017/18 season, which was good going, but he was sacked in December 2018 while they languished in 14th place.

He seems to have brought about swift improvements at Rennes and Forest, but the effect has been short-term in both cases. Forest's end-of-season implosion was spectacular in 2019/20 and they were in a real mess by the time Lamouchi was sacked - a situation that didn't change until Steve Cooper took over.

La.. Bamba

Mind you, Bielsa reportedly arrived at Heathrow. Probably couldn't get a flight into Cardiff. Perhaps we need a thread on the demise of Cardiff airport.

So is it official?

At start of each season, I buy the Racing Post's annual Big Kick-Off betting guide, and I keep them as it's always amusing to look back and see what the bookies got right and what they didn't. I think the following is interesting regarding Lamouchi at Forest. It's from the Post's Championship previews for 2019/20 and 2020/21.

In 2019/20, the Post's tipster fancied Forest for promotion, which was a 7/1 chance. He predicted they'd finish fourth and wrote:

"The battle for play-off places will be as intense as ever and Nottingham Forest could be major players if their new manager Sabri Lamouchi can get the best out of a talented squad. Since Greek shipping magnate Angelos Marinakis bought the club two years ago there has been a lot of investment, but high expectations have not been met and the football has often been too cautious.

"Nevertheless, last season's points tally of 66 was 13 better than the previous season and there is scope for further improvement under Lamouchi. He is new to English football but seems to know what he wants. Crucially, he has inherited some strong offensive players such as Joao Carvalho, Joe Lolley and Lewis Grabban. Getting the best out of them will be key, but Forest are likely to play a more positive brand of football and it may help them bridge the gap to the top six."

The same tipster predicted they'd finish 7th in 2020/21. His pre-season write-up said:

"Missing out on the play-offs was a massive disappointment for Forest, who spent much of the 2019/20 campaign pushing for a top-two finish. However, they were overly defensive at times and their 58-goal tally was the second lowest of the division's top 15 clubs. Adding Lyle Taylor to the squad might help in that regard, but they look likely to fall short again."

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

At start of each season, I buy the Racing Post's annual Big Kick-Off betting guide, and I keep them as it's always amusing to look back and see what the bookies got right and what they didn't. I think the following is interesting regarding Lamouchi at Forest. It's from the Post's Championship previews for 2019/20 and 2020/21.

In 2019/20, the Post's tipster fancied Forest for promotion, which was a 7/1 chance. He predicted they'd finish fourth and wrote:

"The battle for play-off places will be as intense as ever and Nottingham Forest could be major players if their new manager Sabri Lamouchi can get the best out of a talented squad. Since Greek shipping magnate Angelos Marinakis bought the club two years ago there has been a lot of investment, but high expectations have not been met and the football has often been too cautious.

"Nevertheless, last season's points tally of 66 was 13 better than the previous season and there is scope for further improvement under Lamouchi. He is new to English football but seems to know what he wants. Crucially, he has inherited some strong offensive players such as Joao Carvalho, Joe Lolley and Lewis Grabban. Getting the best out of them will be key, but Forest are likely to play a more positive brand of football and it may help them bridge the gap to the top six."

The same tipster predicted they'd finish 7th in 2020/21. His pre-season write-up said:

"Missing out on the play-offs was a massive disappointment for Forest, who spent much of the 2019/20 campaign pushing for a top-two finish. However, they were overly defensive at times and their 58-goal tally was the second lowest of the division's top 15 clubs. Adding Lyle Taylor to the squad might help in that regard, but they look likely to fall short again."

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You don’t appear to be enamoured with this possible appointment.

Is this the new firm of accountants that has opened on Albany Road?

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Eddie Newton was carried off the pitch because he was the best player we had. And the best player we'd had for some time. We didn't even make the playoffs that year. But he formed a nice partnership with Nathan Blake. In Division 4.

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I know , I helped chair him off with 200 others

That's often talked about on here

Therefore by definition its a bit of a legend

I don't quite know what to say to fans like you sometimes

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Believe me, I know how to enjoy life. For me, Bamba is not a City legend. It's just my opinion. If you want him to be a legend that's up to you. Why should you care that others disagree?

And for the record, I'd be happy if this comes off. I never wanted Bamba as a manager because to me he's just a bloke that tried hard. But I'm happy for him to be coaching and motivating the players. He may turn out to be a wonderful manager at some point and I hope he does.

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Great

Good to know you are on our side

X

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Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef

You don’t appear to be enamoured with this possible appointment.

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I'm just a bit puzzled by the enthusiasm of some. You have a few people who post here regularly who give the impression that they know anything and everything there is to know about other teams, their players and managers. I'm certainly not one of those, I have to do a bit of research. But what I do remember about Lamouchi's Forest side is that they weren't exactly thrilling to watch and they didn't score many goals. And, of course, I remember their incredible end-of-season belly-flop.

I also remember Forest were hopeless at the start of the following season and that City were one of the sides who beat them before Lamouchi was sacked. Therefore, I'm a little surprised at the apparent excitement regarding this appointment.

He certainly seems to have brought about an improvement in both Rennes and Forest in the short-term, and City badly need something like that to happen. However, his record suggests the effect didn't last long at either club.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

So is it official?

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Yes , you are officially a miserable git

😂

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Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef

You don’t appear to be enamoured with this possible appointment.

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I sense that too

He's being a bit negative

And that's not like him

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Great

Good to know you are on our side

X

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Of course I'm on "our" side. This is not aimed at you, but all this "you hate Cardiff City" stuff is bollocks. I LOVE Cardiff City. I wish I didn't. it's irrational and it makes me a worse parent and partner. It steals my energy, money, and my time. And I don't even live in South Wales. If I cared less about City and devoted more thought to my family and my job, I'd be a much more productive person. But I can't help it.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Of course I'm on "our" side. This is not aimed at you, but all this "you hate Cardiff City" stuff is bollocks. I LOVE Cardiff City. I wish I didn't. it's irrational and it makes me a worse parent and partner. It steals my energy, money, and my time. And I don't even live in South Wales. If I cared less about City and devoted more thought to my family and my job, I'd be a much more productive person. But I can't help it.

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Are you really sure that you would like to devote more time towards your Family and Job? Jesus buddy, i'm starting to worry... :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Are you really sure that you would like to devote more time towards your Family and Job? Jesus buddy, i'm starting to worry... :hehe:

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Good point.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I sense that too

He's being a bit negative

And that's not like him

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Not like him?

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Originally Posted by Dave Blue

Not like him?

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Oh contraire

He is the harvester of sorrow

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I'm just a bit puzzled by the enthusiasm of some. You have a few people who post here regularly who give the impression that they know anything and everything there is to know about other teams, their players and managers. I'm certainly not one of those, I have to do a bit of research. But what I do remember about Lamouchi's Forest side is that they weren't exactly thrilling to watch and they didn't score many goals. And, of course, I remember their incredible end-of-season belly-flop.

I also remember Forest were hopeless at the start of the following season and that City were one of the sides who beat them before Lamouchi was sacked. Therefore, I'm a little surprised at the apparent excitement regarding this appointment.

He certainly seems to have brought about an improvement in both Rennes and Forest in the short-term, and City badly need something like that to happen. However, his record suggests the effect didn't last long at either club.

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I assumed people were excited because he was French.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Good point.

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In all seriousness though, how many hours do we dedicate towards that shower of shit of a club? And why?

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Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman

I assumed people were excited because he was French.

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French Tunisian, Tunisia is almost in Morocco, and they did well in the World Cup, so i can see the clubs thinking on this one, and France got to the Final.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I'm just a bit puzzled by the enthusiasm of some. You have a few people who post here regularly who give the impression that they know anything and everything there is to know about other teams, their players and managers. I'm certainly not one of those, I have to do a bit of research. But what I do remember about Lamouchi's Forest side is that they weren't exactly thrilling to watch and they didn't score many goals. And, of course, I remember their incredible end-of-season belly-flop.

I also remember Forest were hopeless at the start of the following season and that City were one of the sides who beat them before Lamouchi was sacked. Therefore, I'm a little surprised at the apparent excitement regarding this appointment.

He certainly seems to have brought about an improvement in both Rennes and Forest in the short-term, and City badly need something like that to happen. However, his record suggests the effect didn't last long at either club.

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Compared to our last few managers this guy is the messiah.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

French Tunisian, Tunisia is almost in Morocco, and they did well in the World Cup, so i can see the clubs thinking on this one, and France got to the Final.

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And we owe ten extra large ones to a French club.

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Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927

Compared to our last few managers this guy is the messiah.

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I could make some jokes about the Morison worshippers, but I'll refrain.

:thumbup:

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I could make some jokes about the Morison worshippers, but I'll refrain.

:thumbup:

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That’s not like you haha.

Loved a bit of Mozza me.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

In all seriousness though, how many hours do we dedicate towards that shower of shit of a club? And why?

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I guess in in our DNA. It's Cardiff. We're Cardiff. We don't support Liverpool, Man U, Chelsea or Arsenal. We're not used to highs. Back in the day a fancy cup draw would be exciting. It's like the Mafia, once you're in, you're in. It's still stupid though. Maybe the fact that it diverts from everything else is a good thing. Who knows? I don't know you, I don't your name but I feel like you're a mate. That's a positive. I used to see people on the Bob Bank and then sometimes I'd see them in "real life" and we'd nod. It's like that.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

I guess in in our DNA. It's Cardiff. We're Cardiff. We don't support Liverpool, Man U, Chelsea or Arsenal. We're not used to highs. Back in the day a fancy cup draw would be exciting. It's like the Mafia, once you're in, you're in. It's still stupid though. Maybe the fact that it diverts from everything else is a good thing. Who knows? I don't know you, I don't your name but I feel like you're a mate. That's a positive. I used to see people on the Bob Bank and then sometimes I'd see them in "real life" and we'd nod. It's like that.

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I like this post. Got me all emotional

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

At start of each season, I buy the Racing Post's annual Big Kick-Off betting guide, and I keep them as it's always amusing to look back and see what the bookies got right and what they didn't. I think the following is interesting regarding Lamouchi at Forest. It's from the Post's Championship previews for 2019/20 and 2020/21.

In 2019/20, the Post's tipster fancied Forest for promotion, which was a 7/1 chance. He predicted they'd finish fourth and wrote:

"The battle for play-off places will be as intense as ever and Nottingham Forest could be major players if their new manager Sabri Lamouchi can get the best out of a talented squad. Since Greek shipping magnate Angelos Marinakis bought the club two years ago there has been a lot of investment, but high expectations have not been met and the football has often been too cautious.

"Nevertheless, last season's points tally of 66 was 13 better than the previous season and there is scope for further improvement under Lamouchi. He is new to English football but seems to know what he wants. Crucially, he has inherited some strong offensive players such as Joao Carvalho, Joe Lolley and Lewis Grabban. Getting the best out of them will be key, but Forest are likely to play a more positive brand of football and it may help them bridge the gap to the top six."

The same tipster predicted they'd finish 7th in 2020/21. His pre-season write-up said:

"Missing out on the play-offs was a massive disappointment for Forest, who spent much of the 2019/20 campaign pushing for a top-two finish. However, they were overly defensive at times and their 58-goal tally was the second lowest of the division's top 15 clubs. Adding Lyle Taylor to the squad might help in that regard, but they look likely to fall short again."

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Hmm, very amusing yes.

So this will be hilarious if he doesn’t end up coming.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

I guess in in our DNA. It's Cardiff. We're Cardiff. We don't support Liverpool, Man U, Chelsea or Arsenal. We're not used to highs. Back in the day a fancy cup draw would be exciting. It's like the Mafia, once you're in, you're in. It's still stupid though. Maybe the fact that it diverts from everything else is a good thing. Who knows? I don't know you, I don't your name but I feel like you're a mate. That's a positive. I used to see people on the Bob Bank and then sometimes I'd see them in "real life" and we'd nod. It's like that.

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It is totally illogical.

I'm sure you're not the only one who has thought how many days they've spent watching City and thought how they could have used it more productively. I wouldn't change it though. Memories to last a lifetime and hopefully more to come. Some of the really $hit times are almost as memorable as the good times and usually funnier.

I'm sure I'm not the only one where City has been one of the only constants in life during bad times. A place where the City is the norm while the rest of your life is upside down helps, even when we're crap. :hehe:

I got nothing against Tan personally. In much the same way if some new bloke took over your favourite restaurant or pub and started serving shite and trying crap new ideas would get flack he is doing it here but a football club is your football club. You can't go to the next pub or restaurant.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Really? In 2018/19 under Karanka and then O'Neill, Forest finished 9th in the Championship on 66 points. In 2019/20 under Lamouchi, they finished 7th on 70 points. Hardly an earth-shattering improvement. They were bottom of the table on zero points after four games (and had been knocked out of the League Cup) when he was sacked in October 2020, having scored just one goal in five matches.

To be honest, I'm a bit non-plussed by the reaction to this appointment (if it happens). It's a major relief that Whitehead isn't going to lead the team for the rest of the season as he looks like a rabbit in the headlights, but this guy hardly has what could be described as an impressive record at club level. Who knows, he may do well here and I hope he does after the garbage we've witnessed in recent seasons, but there's nothing on his CV that makes me confident he will.

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"Lamouchi had guided Forest to their highest league position since the 2010–11 season, and also became the first Forest manager to complete a full season in over nine years."

First manager to complete a season in over nine years. That's a mess. Like dembe said you can be a mess and still win games. We finished 8th in 20/21 under Mick, does that mean we weren't a mess?

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

I guess in in our DNA. It's Cardiff. We're Cardiff. We don't support Liverpool, Man U, Chelsea or Arsenal. We're not used to highs. Back in the day a fancy cup draw would be exciting. It's like the Mafia, once you're in, you're in. It's still stupid though. Maybe the fact that it diverts from everything else is a good thing. Who knows? I don't know you, I don't your name but I feel like you're a mate. That's a positive. I used to see people on the Bob Bank and then sometimes I'd see them in "real life" and we'd nod. It's like that.

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Good one :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

So is it official?

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Will be confirmed tomorrow apparently

A win and a draw in Forest's 2 local derbies (against Derby) when he was in charge of them. We need a manager who can win local derbies.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

I guess in in our DNA. It's Cardiff. We're Cardiff. We don't support Liverpool, Man U, Chelsea or Arsenal. We're not used to highs. Back in the day a fancy cup draw would be exciting. It's like the Mafia, once you're in, you're in. It's still stupid though. Maybe the fact that it diverts from everything else is a good thing. Who knows? I don't know you, I don't your name but I feel like you're a mate. That's a positive. I used to see people on the Bob Bank and then sometimes I'd see them in "real life" and we'd nod. It's like that.

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real life :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Undercoverinwurzelland

A win and a draw in Forest's 2 local derbies (against Derby) when he was in charge of them. We need a manager who can win local derbies.

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Win local derbies? Now you're being ridiculous! :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five

Win local derbies? Now you're being ridiculous! :hehe:

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This was effectively reported as a done deal on the Welsh news, so fingers crossed.

Wonder why not confirmed, maybe they’re waiting for the insurance company to open in the morning to double check

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Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five

Win local derbies? Now you're being ridiculous! :hehe:

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For quite a while from the playoff win in 2003 Bristol City just couldn’t beat us, didn’t we put 6 past them once? Not so great of late mind

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I'm just a bit puzzled by the enthusiasm of some. You have a few people who post here regularly who give the impression that they know anything and everything there is to know about other teams, their players and managers. I'm certainly not one of those, I have to do a bit of research. But what I do remember about Lamouchi's Forest side is that they weren't exactly thrilling to watch and they didn't score many goals. And, of course, I remember their incredible end-of-season belly-flop.

I also remember Forest were hopeless at the start of the following season and that City were one of the sides who beat them before Lamouchi was sacked. Therefore, I'm a little surprised at the apparent excitement regarding this appointment.

He certainly seems to have brought about an improvement in both Rennes and Forest in the short-term, and City badly need something like that to happen. However, his record suggests the effect didn't last long at either club.

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It’s normally a good indicator of a manager in what a previous set of fans think and Forest fans seem pretty unanimous in holding a very positive opinion of him which is a big plus. Common take seems to be their season came to a stop with the covid break and couldn’t get going again after whilst behind closed doors. Not an unusual story and pretty encouraging on the whole.

I don’t think anyone thinks we have secured the next Pep but with the previous few managers, some of the names being chucked around over the last week and the betting list, I think people are entitled to feel optimistic it will be a good move