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Re: Would you let your 14 year old son go one his own to Blackpool away?
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Swiss Peter
Arsenal. This sounds crazy now but I was wearing my school scarf which they took as Man U colours.
I had the same luck the day I wore my Harry Potter scarf around Leeds.
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Re: Would you let your 14 year old son go one his own to Blackpool away?
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blue lewj
I had the same luck the day I wore my Harry Potter scarf around Leeds.
I'm not surprised, they think books are evil and reading is black magic.
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Re: Would you let your 14 year old son go one his own to Blackpool away?
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Originally Posted by
Swiss Peter
My Dad was forever telling me that he took a bike at 14 and cycled half way around France and Germany.
When I was 14 I lived in Kent. I went up to London with some school friends for Arsenal v Man U, against my mother's wishes. I remember ending up lying face down on a tube station platform taking a few kicks, and then taking a smack full in the face as I came out of the tube station. I arrived home with a black eye and a split lip. My mother almost beat me up again :hehe:. That was 1974. At least times have changed!
I would say no.
If I lived my life through my mother's wishes I'd never have done anything.
Everything I wanted to do she based her opinions on her own experiences, so walking home alone after dark was a no no, going to Cardiff on the train at 12/13 was a no no . All things we did and felt comfortable doing back in the 90s. This is where I think some people parent wrong..
Not holding your kids back because of how you found life growing up...
This post isn't aimed at you by the way Pete just a rant I guess 🤣
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Re: Would you let your 14 year old son go one his own to Blackpool away?
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Originally Posted by
Bondi Bluebird
I was 15 when I was allowed to go on the train to my first away game. It was the 1991 FA Cup game against Swansea.
My parents were not football fans and clueless of the potential dangers. They thought it would be a good first away trip as it was a short train trip.
To say it was an eye opener to someone on their first away trip would be an understatement. Swansea was like the innards of hell that day. The double decker buses they put on to take the fans from the station to the ground had their windows smashed through. Missiles flying everywhere, fighting, looting.
To top it off, me and my friends got separated from the Cardiff fans on the walk back to the station and got lost in Swansea. We found a friendly looking couple of families with wives and kids to ask directions, who then promptly head butted me and laid into me on the floor.
On the train on the way home I remember people selling jewellery from the looted Ratners shop and someone taking a shit in the middle of the train carriage…
People used to steal your trainers and expensive jackets back in them days I'm told... Heard all about 91. What a first away day 🤣
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Re: Would you let your 14 year old son go one his own to Blackpool away?
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
People used to steal your trainers and expensive jackets back in them days I'm told... Heard all about 91. What a first away day 🤣
I’m not sure about the jackets and trainers thing at football. I recall stories about people getting mugged for the original Air Jordans in Cardiff but not at football. Not sure how frequent it was or a bit of an urban myth.
I certainly didn’t ever go to another game like that Swansea one but I wasn’t someone interested in aggro, although kind of enjoy a bit of a buzz and a sketchy walk from a train station. Most of my other away trips after that were around London and the South East as I went to uni in London. So had the joys of going to Barnet a few times, Fulham, Leighton Orient etc. I vaguely remember a few trips from Liverpool St station but can’t even remember the game or teams. Maybe it was where Brighton played when they weren’t in Brighton. I do remember an FA cup game in Reading’s old ground where the away end wasn’t far off what I remember at that Swansea game in 91 but not the same level of disorder in the town.
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Re: Would you let your 14 year old son go one his own to Blackpool away?
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
If I lived my life through my mother's wishes I'd never have done anything.
Everything I wanted to do she based her opinions on her own experiences, so walking home alone after dark was a no no, going to Cardiff on the train at 12/13 was a no no . All things we did and felt comfortable doing back in the 90s. This is where I think some people parent wrong..
Not holding your kids back because of how you found life growing up...
This post isn't aimed at you by the way Pete just a rant I guess 🤣
Things change. When I was 4, all the kids in our street were off around the block exploring the world on our 3-wheelers.
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Re: Would you let your 14 year old son go one his own to Blackpool away?
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Originally Posted by
Bondi Bluebird
I’m not sure about the jackets and trainers thing at football. I recall stories about people getting mugged for the original Air Jordans in Cardiff but not at football. Not sure how frequent it was or a bit of an urban myth.
I certainly didn’t ever go to another game like that Swansea one but I wasn’t someone interested in aggro, although kind of enjoy a bit of a buzz and a sketchy walk from a train station. Most of my other away trips after that were around London and the South East as I went to uni in London. So had the joys of going to Barnet a few times, Fulham, Leighton Orient etc. I vaguely remember a few trips from Liverpool St station but can’t even remember the game or teams. Maybe it was where Brighton played when they weren’t in Brighton. I do remember an FA cup game in Reading’s old ground where the away end wasn’t far off what I remember at that Swansea game in 91 but not the same level of disorder in the town.
I know people that used to do it.
And scousers etc were definitely up to it.
Yeah definitely a better experience at the football now, although you get pissed up knobs it's generally a better all round experience.
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Wales-Bales
Things change. When I was 4, all the kids in our street were off around the block exploring the world on our 3-wheelers.
I went up the mountain behind my house at about 9 was gone all day.. thought I'd reached the edge of the world
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Re: Would you let your 14 year old son go one his own to Blackpool away?
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
I went up the mountain behind my house at about 9 was gone all day.. thought I'd reached the edge of the world
And that’s where things are so different… crime, violent or otherwise - might be down significantly compared to the 70s/80s/90s, when most of us grew up… but we were streetwise compared to todays youngsters, who spend their time indoors and online.
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stevebrickman
And that’s where things are so different… crime, violent or otherwise - might be down significantly compared to the 70s/80s/90s, when most of us grew up… but we were streetwise compared to todays youngsters, who spend their time indoors and online.
Have you heard of Strauss–Howe generational theory? I grew up with almost total freedom from a very young age, and I am shocked at how my nephew aged 9 has been brought up, he can't go anywhere alone where he can't see his house, so that's literally about 6 houses away!
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Re: Would you let your 14 year old son go one his own to Blackpool away?
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
Have you heard of Strauss–Howe generational theory? I grew up with almost total freedom from a very young age, and I am shocked at how my nephew aged 9 has been brought up, he can't go anywhere alone where he can't see his house, so that's literally about 6 houses away!
That should read my nephew's kid aged 9.
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Re: Would you let your 14 year old son go one his own to Blackpool away?
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
Things change. When I was 4, all the kids in our street were off around the block exploring the world on our 3-wheelers.
This is true. I know because a neighbour kid in Ely stole my three-wheeler, and my mother had to go get it back.
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Re: Would you let your 14 year old son go one his own to Blackpool away?
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Originally Posted by
Bondi Bluebird
I’m not sure about the jackets and trainers thing at football. I recall stories about people getting mugged for the original Air Jordans in Cardiff but not at football. Not sure how frequent it was or a bit of an urban myth.
I certainly didn’t ever go to another game like that Swansea one but I wasn’t someone interested in aggro, although kind of enjoy a bit of a buzz and a sketchy walk from a train station. Most of my other away trips after that were around London and the South East as I went to uni in London. So had the joys of going to Barnet a few times, Fulham, Leighton Orient etc. I vaguely remember a few trips from Liverpool St station but can’t even remember the game or teams. Maybe it was where Brighton played when they weren’t in Brighton. I do remember an FA cup game in Reading’s old ground where the away end wasn’t far off what I remember at that Swansea game in 91 but not the same level of disorder in the town.
Leighton Orient sounds so posh:hehe:
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Re: Would you let your 14 year old son go one his own to Blackpool away?
14
My first ever job was at the tender age of 14 in Ely
I was a rear gunner on a milk float
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Re: Would you let your 14 year old son go one his own to Blackpool away?
I don't have a 14 y o ...he's 25 and can do what the feck he wants
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Re: Would you let your 14 year old son go one his own to Blackpool away?
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Originally Posted by
stevebrickman
And that’s where things are so different… crime, violent or otherwise - might be down significantly compared to the 70s/80s/90s, when most of us grew up… but we were streetwise compared to todays youngsters, who spend their time indoors and online.
I wouldn't trust my 16 year old to get public transport from her house to mine. I think she's responsible enough, but kids just don't get out there as much as years gone by, she'd be nervous the entire journey (couple of trains)
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Re: Would you let your 14 year old son go one his own to Blackpool away?
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pipster
Would you let your 14 year old son go one his own to Blackpool away on the train ?
that's it basically
What did you decide in the end?
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Mid 70s I was 13 and went with a mate and his older brother to Bristol Rovers, his brother was 18 as were all his mates, so I was in the company of several responsible adults.
All was good as we arrived at Eastville, until one of said, right lads were going on the Tote
I found out a little later that this wasn't to exchange scarfs an pendants 😁
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Re: Would you let your 14 year old son go one his own to Blackpool away?
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Originally Posted by
pipster
Would you let your 14 year old son go one his own to Blackpool away on the train ?
that's it basically
No
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Re: Would you let your 14 year old son go one his own to Blackpool away?
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
This would actually make a decent thread on its own. Anecdotally, i believe that society is less violent today than it was when i was growing up. When i was a kid, the chances of getting a hiding from bullies on the estate, fighting at the football or on a night out was a considerable risk, this from someone who never courted violence. Teachers used violence, as did the police, and plenty of parents hit their kids and even the neighbours kids!
If I had to make a list of moments in my life where I felt or was directly threatened with violence, I think it would all be in my late teens/twenties.....talking late nineties , early naughties. I also, used to drink and be around drunk people more often. I also spent my weekends in my Mamgu's house in Lansbury Park .......which really skews the results :hehe:
At the same time, I think I probably feel more anxious now about violent crime than I did when I was younger....even though I haven't had any genuinely dodgy experiences for the last decade or so. I'm sure that wall-to-wall media has had a big effect on my perception of things. I don't think I ever really read the news when I was in my twenties, nor did I have the kind of access I have now. The first news event I can remember is probably 9/11.
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Re: Would you let your 14 year old son go one his own to Blackpool away?
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Originally Posted by
Divine Wright
If I had to make a list of moments in my life where I felt or was directly threatened with violence, I think it would all be in my late teens/twenties.....talking late nineties , early naughties. I also, used to drink and be around drunk people more often. I also spent my weekends in my Mamgu's house in Lansbury Park .......which really skews the results :hehe:
At the same time, I think I probably feel more anxious now about violent crime than I did when I was younger....even though I haven't had any genuinely dodgy experiences for the last decade or so. I'm sure that wall-to-wall media has had a big effect on my perception of things. I don't think I ever really read the news when I was in my twenties, nor did I have the kind of access I have now. The first news event I can remember is probably 9/11.
Good post is this. Like the way you're not so certain about things that are perceived by so many people, especially as we get older, that things are so much worse now than when we were younger. Some things most certainly are, like attempting to acquire a home or go through university without coming out the other side without 30 grand of debt.
Agree with you on how the media report on violent crime. It's almost like a TV show now, saturated to the point where even the victims Barber gets an interview. I certainly feel safer now than i did during my younger days, although i'm 50, so not really in these environments where violence can occur, although i've always felt safe in Cardiff, apart from a saturday night in the City centre with the meat heads off their heads on booze and powder. More importantly, i feel that society in general is more respecting of young people and less violent towards them.
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Re: Would you let your 14 year old son go one his own to Blackpool away?
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Originally Posted by
Bondi Bluebird
I was 15 when I was allowed to go on the train to my first away game. It was the 1991 FA Cup game against Swansea.
My parents were not football fans and clueless of the potential dangers. They thought it would be a good first away trip as it was a short train trip.
To say it was an eye opener to someone on their first away trip would be an understatement. Swansea was like the innards of hell that day. The double decker buses they put on to take the fans from the station to the ground had their windows smashed through. Missiles flying everywhere, fighting, looting.
To top it off, me and my friends got separated from the Cardiff fans on the walk back to the station and got lost in Swansea. We found a friendly looking couple of families with wives and kids to ask directions, who then promptly head butted me and laid into me on the floor.
On the train on the way home I remember people selling jewellery from the looted Ratners shop and someone taking a shit in the middle of the train carriage…
That made me laugh.
I remember a city fan walking around Pompey with a full set of golf clubs after a little shopping stop in Bristol on the way .
