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Another absorbing and delightful day of cricket.
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Disappointed for Marnus, would have been nice to see a Welsh boy do well!! Bit of a daft shot to play foray ball. Barstow certainly have the Aussies a bit of a boost with a couple of poor misses. If the weather is ok and Carey gets going again, it could get ugly for England tomorrow.
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The role of the wicket keeper severely underestimated. Its not as if Foakes is a crap batsman either.
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chrisp_1927
Disappointed for Marnus, would have been nice to see a Welsh boy do well!! Bit of a daft shot to play foray ball. Barstow certainly have the Aussies a bit of a boost with a couple of poor misses. If the weather is ok and Carey gets going again, it could get ugly for England tomorrow.
Im sure he will get plenty of runs this series.
However I hope he gets another 9 ducks.🤣
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At least today has proved that Foakes has to play in the remainder of the series. Bairstow is worth his place as a batsmen in the team without doubt, but I’m sure if you looked at all 18 counties wicketkeepers he is easily the poorest of them all. Good standing back I don’t dispute, but standing up which is so much more difficult he couldn’t keep chickens.
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Hot Shot Hamish.
At least today has proved that Foakes has to play in the remainder of the series. Bairstow is worth his place as a batsmen in the team without doubt, but I’m sure if you looked at all 18 counties wicketkeepers he is easily the poorest of them all. Good standing back I don’t dispute, but standing up which is so much more difficult he couldn’t keep chickens.
Who do you leave out if you include Foakes though? Crawley's the obvious candidate I suppose, but he looked good in the first innings, as did Bairstow. Wasn't impressed by Duckett, but he'd been on a really good run before Friday's innings, so it would be very harsh to consider dropping him on the back of one bad test (he could still get a good score second time around as well).
Although Stokes has picked up a very important wicket, his place would be under threat now if it wasn't for his inspired captaincy because he's not scoring many runs and bowling is, clearly, much harder for his body to cope with these days. England also need an all rounder (I'd consider Curran if Stokes' bowling tails off like it may well do), but I'd also always want a spinner because England's attack would be very samey without one, I think the Aussies may have something to say about using thirteen mind :hehe:
Think one of the seamers has to stand down for a Wood or Curran to give us something different in terms of pace bowling and, although I'd also be looking to play Foakes, for Crawley I suppose, I think they'll stick with Bairstow behind the stumps.
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the other bob wilson
Who do you leave out if you include Foakes though? Crawley's the obvious candidate I suppose, but he looked good in the first innings, as did Bairstow. Wasn't impressed by Duckett, but he'd been on a really good run before Friday's innings, so it would be very harsh to consider dropping him on the back of one bad test (he could still get a good score second time around as well).
Although Stokes has picked up a very important wicket, his place would be under threat now if it wasn't for his inspired captaincy because he's not scoring many runs and bowling is, clearly, much harder for his body to cope with these days. England also need an all rounder (I'd consider Curran if Stokes' bowling tails off like it may well do), but I'd also always want a spinner because England's attack would be very samey without one, I think the Aussies may have something to say about using thirteen mind :hehe:
Think one of the seamers has to stand down for a Wood or Curran to give us something different in terms of pace bowling and, although I'd also be looking to play Foakes, for Crawley I suppose, I think they'll stick with Bairstow behind the stumps.
Shows how much we miss Archer , with him fit , he would have been the difference. Robinson looks laboured and ineffective.
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TWGL1
Shows how much we miss Archer , with him fit , he would have been the difference. Robinson looks laboured and ineffective.
I really didnt understand the Broad is playing instead of Wood. Id have had Broad ahead of Anderson and definitely Robinson for this Test.
Ideally at least one express pace bowler plays. Archer and Stone are both out and Wood will struggle to play 5 tests.
England can still win this but due to the errors yesterday Australia id say are favourites.
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Should've batted them out of the game IMHO.
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Another Bairstow drop. This was so predictable. They never learn. Admit the error and bring back Foakes. ( they wont though)
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This really is game on now.
Exciting Test. I can see Lyon into the attack very quickly.
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England need at least a 280 lead.
And **** off Labuschagne.!!!!
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Hilts
England need at least a 280 lead.
And **** off Labuschagne.!!!!
Would have liked 300 …. Nervous as heck
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That declaration is looking dodgier by the minute. I could understand it if it had been Robinson and Broad in at the time, but it wasn’t, there was one of England’s greatest ever batsmen with a hundred to his name, not Broad. It’s far from inconceivable that another fifty could have been scored and things would now be looking a lot different.
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the other bob wilson
That declaration is looking dodgier by the minute. I could understand it if it had been Robinson and Broad in at the time, but it wasn’t, there was one of England’s greatest ever batsmen with a hundred to his name, not Broad. It’s far from inconceivable that another fifty could have been scored and things would now be looking a lot different.
If we were 8 down with just the tail to bat then I would understand the declaration more, but with your best batsman still at the crease it doesn't appear to be the wisest move.
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The Bloop
If we were 8 down with just the tail to bat then I would understand the declaration more, but with your best batsman still at the crease it doesn't appear to be the wisest move.
By declaring Stokes has guaranteed a result , which is good enough for me regardless who wins
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281 to win. Game in the balance. England could have done with one of the batsmen kicking on from a good start.
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TWGL1
By declaring Stokes has guaranteed a result , which is good enough for me regardless who wins
As I mentioned before in this thread, Stokes declaring a booboo.
Throw the bat about for a few overs with a devil may care attitude, nothing to lose.
Aussies should win this.
Four sessions to bat sensibly.
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Bairstow again.!!!! He shouldn't be behind the stumps. Theyve got this decision badly wrong.
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Hopefully Aus motor this evening and get a fair chunk of the 280 on the board given the forecast for tomorrow.
If England lose it won't be due to the declaration it'll be the missed opportunities.
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Labuschagne fails for a second time - even Steven at the moment I’d say.
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Yeah game again back in the balance.
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Could do with 1 or 2 more before the close
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The Bloop
Could do with 1 or 2 more before the close
Cloudy skies to tomorrow approaching
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TWGL1
Cloudy skies to tomorrow approaching
Smiths gone … Broad
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So finely balanced now.
If pushed I would take the Australian position but with a crumbling track and damp weather forecast batting may be tricky.
Great test match though.
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Majorblue
So finely balanced now.
If pushed I would take the Australian position but with a crumbling track and damp weather forecast batting may be tricky.
Great test match though.
Yeah, the weather could make batting in between the showers tricky if the forecast's right
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Can only see the Aussies winning from here unless rain beats them
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fugsyphil
Can only see the Aussies winning from here unless rain beats them
Skybet make England very slight favs.
Eng 11/10 , Aus 6/5.
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2 sessions to go most likely. Throughout the test neither side has had one session that they totally dominated. It wouldn't surprise me if it's something like 190 for 6 at lunch and were none the wiser who'll end up winning.
174 with 7 wickets remaining isn't a straightforward ask at all. England will pick up wickets.
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They went from 67-3 to 370-6 first time around. I think they'll have enough unless the rain keeps appearing and offering something to Broad and Anderson
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If the ball starts doing a bit don't rule out Robinson. Looking at tickets there's not many left, should be rocking again.
It's been a superb test match, hope the possible rain doesn't spoil it.
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fugsyphil
They went from 67-3 to 370-6 first time around. I think they'll have enough unless the rain keeps appearing and offering something to Broad and Anderson
That'll mean nothing in a run chase. England got to 297-6 in their first innings but lost their 6th wicket in their second innings at 196. Not too many sides score more in their second innings, unless they've had a nightmare first innings.
Since 2018 Australia have played 47 tests, winning 25. Of those 25, they've won 5 batting last, scoring 93, 20, 10, 35 and 73 to win those tests. The last time they made a run chase over 200 to win a test was in Feb 2016 in New Zealand. The last time they scored more than they need in this test to win was in 2011 in Johannesburg, where they chased down 310 with 2 wickets remaining.
There have been more run chases of over 250 that Australia have lost than won in the last decade.
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Eric the Half a Bee
That'll mean nothing in a run chase. England got to 297-6 in their first innings but lost their 6th wicket in their second innings at 196. Not too many sides score more in their second innings, unless they've had a nightmare first innings.
Since 2018 Australia have played 47 tests, winning 25. Of those 25, they've won 5 batting last, scoring 93, 20, 10, 35 and 73 to win those tests. The last time they made a run chase over 200 to win a test was in Feb 2016 in New Zealand. The last time they scored more than they need in this test to win was in 2011 in Johannesburg, where they chased down 310 with 2 wickets remaining.
There have been more run chases of over 250 that Australia have lost than won in the last decade.
Lol I should have guessed you'd have some good backup stats to go with your post! Hope you are right but just think England will miss out in this one
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fugsyphil
Lol I should have guessed you'd have some good backup stats to go with your post! Hope you are right but just think England will miss out in this one
:hehe: I think that's the beauty of test cricket. We can all have our opinions but absolutely anything can happen in a run chase like this. All the stats in the world go out of the window. Stokes at Headingley is proof of that - a test that was utterly dead in the water, then somehow it turned around.
Tomorrow there'll be men around the bat, very unorthodox/inventive field positions from Stokes, someone will score runs, someone will take wickets. I haven't made a prediction yet because I really don't know which way it is going to go. I don't think Australia will walk it. It's the Ashes. Things happen, like Brooks' wicket in the first innings. A close test like this is just great drama and there's possibly nothing like it elsewhere in sport.
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Australia were chasing 281 in that famous run chase in 2005 at Edgbaston when they fell 2 runs short. Same drama this time.? DRS would have saved Australia and Kaprowicz back then as well as he should not have been given out.
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Hilts
Australia were chasing 281 in that famous run chase in 2005 at Edgbaston when they fell 2 runs short. Same drama this time.? DRS would have saved Australia and Kaprowicz back then as well as he should not have been given out.
Yep, unless they bollocksed their reviews, like they did at Headingley, where again they should have won.
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Eric the Half a Bee
:hehe: I think that's the beauty of test cricket. We can all have our opinions but absolutely anything can happen in a run chase like this. All the stats in the world go out of the window. Stokes at Headingley is proof of that - a test that was utterly dead in the water, then somehow it turned around.
Tomorrow there'll be men around the bat, very unorthodox/inventive field positions from Stokes, someone will score runs, someone will take wickets. I haven't made a prediction yet because I really don't know which way it is going to go. I don't think Australia will walk it. It's the Ashes. Things happen, like Brooks' wicket in the first innings. A close test like this is just great drama and there's possibly nothing like it elsewhere in sport.
Test cricket is the greatest representation of the greatest sport.
Just look at the cricket threads on here - no descent into personal abuse where there's disagreement, just intelligent discussion.
I was at Edgbaston on Saturday, sat with a Jack season ticket holder on the train up, great bloke who sadly had watched Wales v Armenia the night before and tonight was at Turkey v Wales with Edgbaston in between. Cricket is a genuinely civilising influence.
:ayatollah:
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rich munn
Test cricket is the greatest representation of the greatest sport.
Just look at the cricket threads on here - no descent into personal abuse where there's disagreement, just intelligent discussion.
I was at Edgbaston on Saturday, sat with a Jack season ticket holder on the train up, great bloke who sadly had watched Wales v Armenia the night before and tonight was at Turkey v Wales with Edgbaston in between. Cricket is a genuinely civilising influence.
:ayatollah:
Absolute cobblers
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Eric the Half a Bee
:hehe: I think that's the beauty of test cricket. We can all have our opinions but absolutely anything can happen in a run chase like this. All the stats in the world go out of the window. Stokes at Headingley is proof of that - a test that was utterly dead in the water, then somehow it turned around.
Tomorrow there'll be men around the bat, very unorthodox/inventive field positions from Stokes, someone will score runs, someone will take wickets. I haven't made a prediction yet because I really don't know which way it is going to go. I don't think Australia will walk it. It's the Ashes. Things happen, like Brooks' wicket in the first innings. A close test like this is just great drama and there's possibly nothing like it elsewhere in sport.
Nothing like the drama of test match cricket ?
That's nonsense
I think rugby league is boring but fans of the sport think it's godflesh
You can make comments like that but they are the same as my wife is the most beautiful woman in the world
It's all opinions or in her case fact as she's buried under the carpet