I said that every major music publication has Loveless down as a shoegaze album, and I gave you the Merriam-Webster definition of genre, and you said they are all wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
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I said that every major music publication has Loveless down as a shoegaze album, and I gave you the Merriam-Webster definition of genre, and you said they are all wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
He's a 'Free Thinker' doesn't take what the media says for granted, I would've thought that you would celebrate that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
The problem starts when you reject the dictionary definition of a word, and then you end up talking about apples and pairs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Pairs of what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
I reject the dictionary meaning of pairs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
I quite like that :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
It was the drummer Chris Acland. He was found dead as a result of suicide by hanging, apparently in his parents' garden.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Lush made the excellent Black Spring EP, their dreamy, ethereal, swirling sound epitomised shoegaze.
Although the term shoegaze wasn't around in 1982, early Cocteau Twins certainly laid the foundations for that genre.
Poor feckerQuote:
Originally Posted by Lost Johnny
Cocteau twins I enjoyed , swirling guitars
Heaven or Las Vegas and Treasure my fav albums
Throwing Muses were another indie band metal heads like me could appreciate
2 good guitarists in that band
The first album is the best in my opinion. I think you might like it. No riffage of course, but some of the guitar work is quite biting. Listen to the Hollow Men. They are not my favorite band, but they're definitely the band I loved the most a certain moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
That's where the definition of genre comes in handy. Shoegaze is just a label, but various bands can be linked through "musical composition characterized by a particular style, form, or content". That would be things like musical influences, equipment, production values, etc. Shoegaze and dream pop artists favoured offset guitars, elements of distortion, reverse reverbs, and vocals lower in the mix. That's why bands like the JAMC are considered to be a shoegaze influence due to their wall of sound production. The video posted earlier in the thread goes all the way back to the influence of Phil Spector. It's a similar story with heavy metal, it's roots can be traced back to earlier music. I remember Jimmy Page saying how important Link Ray was to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lost Johnny
Say hypothetically you are Kevin Shields, everyone calls your band a shoegaze band, (after the fact) but you don't think you are a shoegaze band. You're kind of heavy and you create a wall of sound. Do we consult the dictionary?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
The term shoegaze comes from bands looking at their pedals. The JAMC just created rock and roll songs but with a ton of feedback. (incidentally only their first record) Everything after that is pretty straightforward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
What was that band with toni halliday on vocals , curve that's it , they were quite heavyQuote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
*Link WrayQuote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
https://pitchfork.com/features/lists...l-time/?page=5
Verve. Shoegaze?
Shoegaze is just an arbitrary label, and it has nothing to do with how a genre is formed.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
Smiths , student indie band
Pixies .....rock band
Mogwai.....rock band
Wet Leg .....student indie band
My view is if someone has a heavy sound they are in my record collection
The NME can piss off
Bloody students
One of their early albums is considered to be shoegaze, but most bands quickly moved on stylistically after Britpop came on the scene.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
So now it's arbitrary? I thought you were arguing that genres were fixed and defined by the dictionary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
I refer you to the above post about Verve.
Somebody from a music publication came up with the name, you can't get any more arbitrary than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
Watch this video if you haven't already.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XFB4gl1Iok
Looked at that pitchfork link , never seen it before is it US based ? Sort of online NME ?Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
No hard rock and metal on there though ?
Soccer Mommy she's a talented woman , snail mail too
Honey do who did that , do you know the song , US indie band but big wall of sound
Have you heard of a band called Karp? They sound like a Metal band. But they're not because they choose not to be. It's their art. It's their choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
It's a hugely influential website.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I love Honey Do. It's a completely original riff. Beverley is the band.
Yes that's them , blonde guitarist , good harmonies tooQuote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
Pitchfork doesn't seem to be rock and metal friendly ?
Heavy riffage from the Godsticks, Dan isn't in the video but he did finish the album with them before leaving,Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I will be going to see them this month at Fuel, (I have to pay :hehe:) will be strange to see them without him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUku6xkz7PM
They were ok, so so but massively better than the Stereophonics; just a parochial example without more extensive comparisons which would further demote them.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
I'm an unreconstructed Rammstein fan myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Have you heard Wednesday? They are a mixed bag but they have some good tunes.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
I think his voice needs to be more abrasiveQuote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
Great guitar , bass and drums
His singing is a bit too radio friendly on this one
I find a lot of student types like riffing bands like smashing pumpkins but once they do an interview in metal hammer etc they vanish and its all back to floppy haircutsQuote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
No, I haven’t. I’ll give them a listen this evening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
I found them on Pitchfork when their album first came out. They scored it 8.8, and it also did well on Metacritic (89%).Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
I listened to them last night. Not bad at all. An 8.8 on Pitchfork can make a career.