Johns Hopkins study says 'ill-founded' COVID lockdowns did more harm than good

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

:popcorn: Rent Free My Lord :popcorn:

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I was talking to Wales-Bales

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

I was talking to Wales-Bales

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Here we are trying to discuss the importance of whether lockdowns did more harm than good and you’re more concerned about potential multiple accounts. Weird

Why don’t you organise a separate thread on multiple accounts and we can discuss a best way forward in respect your obsession.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Here we are trying to discuss the importance of whether lockdowns did more harm than good and you’re more concerned about potential multiple accounts. Weird

Why don’t you organise a separate thread on multiple accounts and we can organise a best way forward in respect your obsession.

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This charade is getting beyond pathetic. It would appear that the first rule of Idiot Club is that there is an Idiot Club!

Fair play, 5 pages for a fishing expedition :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Heathblue

Fair play, 5 pages for a fishing expedition :hehe:

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What are saying here, Nels. Here we are trying to discuss the importance of whether lockdowns did more harm than good and you’re on a fishing expedition. Weird

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

But you seem comfortable with playing back things people have previously posted it seems.

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I know it's an alien concept to you, but I was replying to the same topic in the same thread regarding Nicola's saintly qualities.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

I know it's an alien concept to you, but I was replying to the same topic in the same thread regarding Nicola's saintly qualities.

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Just for the record, we were not discussing 'Nichola's saintly qualities'. You were coming back on my response to Life On Mars' incontinence at the news that Police Scotland were on a fraud enquiry into the SNP use of donations which said:

'Sturgeon and Drakeford have their weaknesses and failures, but they are head and shoulders above the shower of corrupt incompetents you usually drool over.'

I assured you that I stood by that comment. In fact if the polis decided to arrest the entire leaderships of the SNP and Plaid I would still hold the view that their leaders are more articulate, more astute, more empathetic, more grounded in normal peoples' experience and more likeable than the shower of corrupt charlatans usually promoted by LOM, whether or not they have their collar felt.

It is a comparative judgement of course. Many faults with Sturgeon (and Drakeford) and maybe more to be revealled. But next to Hodge, Rees-Mogg and the other LOM pin-ups..... no contest.

Happy to clear that up.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

What I found appalling was the opportunity politicians took to score points whilst folk were in need a real national consensus .

I the average death of Covid was and is still 83 .

I also think the government would have not had the lockdown measure they did apply it did if they hadn't worry about the fear whipped up by scientists , social media , TV media/Papers , unions , and opposition parties and the likes of Drakeford and Sturgeon looking for fame ..

There was a better way ( Sweden )

I think Covid lockdown may well kill more in the coming years , anxiety and mental illness on the rise , children never really come to ease with it effecting their long term confidence , human interactions , freedom to play and education ..



"" The latest attendance data from the Department for Education (DfE) revealed that absences in the spring term this year were still 50% higher than before the pandemic, while in 2021-22 more than one in five secondary pupils were “persistently absent” for missing 10% or more of sessions ""

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I pretty much agree with this.

I think we all agree that the first lockdown was necessary. We didn't know what we were dealing with, it clearly helped to slow the spread and in all honesty I think for that initial period it even did us all some good.

The problem is that as it dragged on it became obvious to so many that enormous and prolonged damage was going to be caused, primarily to the vulnerable but also to society more widely. These opinions were too often dismissed as being anto-science etc, when in most cases they absolutely were not. They were either rooted in concerns based on the social sciences, they were often correct and there is also nothing remotely anti-science about questioning science. In fact, a trait of scientific advancements is that it always questioned the science that preceded it.

So first lockdown, fine, in fact if anything it was enacted a bit late But by the second or third I think we knew we were causing damage and those voices should have been heard more.

Personally I cannot think of a single positive change since Covid. Nearly everything is strained, weakened, damaged, hitting the vulnerable more, made more expensive etc etc etc.

Put bluntly, 'the science' has to include social sciences too..issues about society. It was too focused on medical science and needed to achieve more balance

Ferguson ('Professor Lockdown') convinced Boris to order millions to stay at home.

Ferguson *PUBLICLY* warned that lifting lockdown prematurely could cost 100,000 lives.

But *PRIVATELY* he broke Lockdown to visit his lover. He knew Lockdown was pointless

Imperial college of London received money from both Wellcome trust and Gates foundation. Wellcome trust received funds from all big pharma

It is a relief to now know that all the avoidable mistakes and damage of the Covid response in the UK (including I assume all the fraud, corruption, hypocrisy, mixed messages, and sanctimonious exceptionalism of those at the top) were the fault of opposition politicians and scientists. For a while I thought it might be the government, but glad to be put right!

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Ferguson ('Professor Lockdown') convinced Boris to order millions to stay at home.

Ferguson *PUBLICLY* warned that lifting lockdown prematurely could cost 100,000 lives.

But *PRIVATELY* he broke Lockdown to visit his lover. He knew Lockdown was pointless

Imperial college of London received money from both Wellcome trust and Gates foundation. Wellcome trust received funds from all big pharma

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If he knew lockdown was pointless, why do you think he 'convinced Boris'?

Or could it be human nature to think that bad things probably won't happen to yourself?

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Originally Posted by lardy

If he knew lockdown was pointless, why do you think he 'convinced Boris'?

Or could it be human nature to think that bad things probably won't happen to yourself?

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$$$$

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Originally Posted by lardy

If he knew lockdown was pointless, why do you think he 'convinced Boris'?

Or could it be human nature to think that bad things probably won't happen to yourself?

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What’s my own personal health got to do with lockdown debate ,

Don’t you think that’s an odd thing to say ?

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

What’s my own personal health got to do with lockdown debate ,

Don’t you think that’s an odd thing to say ?

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Read it again Einstein :hehe:

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

But *PRIVATELY* he broke Lockdown to visit his lover. He knew Lockdown was pointless

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A =/= B

You can believe that 1000’s of peoples standing shoulder to shoulder in stadiums, nightclubs, arenas, trains, busses and mingling in pubs, offices, schools, etc poses a risk of spreading Covid whilst also believing that stepping out of your front door, into your car, then into your lover’s house doesn’t pose a risk to yourself personally.

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Originally Posted by lardy

Read it again Einstein :hehe:

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I’ve lost 6 good friends as a result of lockdown policies, so I suppose I’m justified in having different perspectives on the issue.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Ferguson ('Professor Lockdown') convinced Boris to order millions to stay at home.

Ferguson *PUBLICLY* warned that lifting lockdown prematurely could cost 100,000 lives.

But *PRIVATELY* he broke Lockdown to visit his lover. He knew Lockdown was pointless

Imperial college of London received money from both Wellcome trust and Gates foundation. Wellcome trust received funds from all big pharma

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I think I get what you are saying. Imperial College London fronted up for big pharma by persuading politicians to impose lockdowns so that more people would be alive to use their vaccines when they arrived. Is that right?

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

I’ve lost 6 good friends as a result of lockdown policies, so I suppose I’m justified in having different perspectives on the issue.

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I've lost 7 good friends as a result of conspiracy theories, so I suppose I'm justified in having different perspectives on the issue.

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Originally Posted by lardy

I've lost 7 good friends as a result of conspiracy theories, so I suppose I'm justified in having different perspectives on the issue.

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NinianClark, Clandestine, RonnieBird, Lither1927, Hyperborean, Red Setter.......who was the other one?

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

NinianClark, Clandestine, RonnieBird, Lither1927, Hyperborean, Red Setter.......who was the other one?

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Organ Morgan, banned but not forgotten :cry:

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Originally Posted by lardy

Organ Morgan, banned but not forgotten :cry:

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:flare:

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Originally Posted by lardy

Organ Morgan, banned but not forgotten :cry:

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Oh is that where he’s gone? I thought maybe the mass frequency wave had finally caught up to him or he’d been eliminated by the WEF

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Originally Posted by Canton Kev

Oh is that where he’s gone? I thought maybe the mass frequency wave had finally caught up to him or he’d been eliminated by the WEF

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You might see him down the Hayes holding a hairdryer and trying to detect Bluetooth signals in passers-by.

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

NinianClark, Clandestine, RonnieBird, Lither1927, Hyperborean, Red Setter.......who was the other one?

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Glad you’re happy to make a joke of other posters who ,have lost people ,I’d be careful you’re identity doesn’t get found out.

Weirdo.

https://twitter.com/talktv/status/16...LhmySD2aRt-GNg

What they did was plucked out of thin air… no one wants to face up to this, not politicians, scientists, media or the public who were duped."

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Glad you’re happy to make a joke of other posters who ,have lost people ,I’d be careful you’re identity doesn’t get found out.

Weirdo.

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Crikey, quite an over-reaction to me having a bit of banter with Lardy on a football messageboard. Did you know any of the user-ids I mentioned personally or something?

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

NinianClark, Clandestine, RonnieBird, Lither1927, Hyperborean, Red Setter.......who was the other one?

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I was wondering if it was you or Lardy who went sniveling to the mods to get posters banned, this is the modern far left, alternative views cannot be tolerated, I'm sure it will have been the other fella who went after OM.

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Originally Posted by Heathblue

I was wondering if it was you or Lardy who went sniveling to the mods to get posters banned, this is the modern far left, alternative views cannot be tolerated, I'm sure it will have been the other fella who went after OM.

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My assumption is that Dr Who has been through fewer regenerations than the user names I mentioned. Not me singling any of them out but if you are making a case for the odious NinianClark or Lither to make a reappearance you might get a sympathetic ear given that Tito Fuente and others got the hook.

Sort of miss Morg but just for the batshit crazy stuff not the racism and anti-semitism though!

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

My assumption is that Dr Who has been through fewer regenerations than the user names I mentioned. Not me singling any of them out but if you are making a case for the odious NinianClark or Lither to make a reappearance you might get a sympathetic ear given that Tito Fuente and others got the hook.

Sort of miss Morg but just for the batshit crazy stuff not the racism and anti-semitism though!

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I don't think I've engaged in any direct discourse with the mentioned posters, you can search if its' that important to you.
posters I wouldn't have a beer with i just tend to ignore, your innuendo is noted and isn't the 1st time. My case is that its
a shit house thing to do to go snivelling getting posters banned, its the moderators job to do this, and its the moderators you should have your angst with, I haven't given them a platform for their views.

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Originally Posted by Heathblue

I don't think I've engaged in any direct discourse with the mentioned posters, you can search if its' that important to you.
posters I wouldn't have a beer with i just tend to ignore, your innuendo is noted and isn't the 1st time. My case is that its
a shit house thing to do to go snivelling getting posters banned, its the moderators job to do this, and its the moderators you should have your angst with, I haven't given them a platform for their views.

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Look Nels, there are two flavours here. The first one are people like you and Morg. I may think you are off the wall but you are palpably human and you can usually have a bit of an exchange that may or may not descend into banter and silliness.

Then there is someone or may be more who's MO is to create multiple personas to boost their own ego. Some don't fly, some get banned and some end up talking to themselves in a self-supporting network.

Now I don't know enough about the financial mechanics of running a website and whether there is more money in a narcissistic delusionist talking to himself and getting bites, against the odd poster fecking off because they have had enough and watching the Board die a slow death.

I know I saw Tito Fuente and Organ Morgan disappear, posters I regularly exchanged with, without having the blindest idea why!

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Look Nels, there are two flavours here. The first one are people like you and Morg. I may think you are off the wall but you are palpably human and you can usually have a bit of an exchange that may or may not descend into banter and silliness.

Then there is someone or may be more who's MO is to create multiple personas to boost their own ego. Some don't fly, some get banned and some end up talking to themselves in a self-supporting network.

Now I don't know enough about the financial mechanics of running a website and whether there is more money in a narcissistic delusionist talking to himself and getting bites, against the odd poster fecking off because they have had enough and watching the Board die a slow death.

I know I saw Tito Fuente and Organ Morgan disappear, posters I regularly exchanged with, without having the blindest idea why!

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Tito was a good poster: sad to see him go.

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Originally Posted by Heathblue

I don't think I've engaged in any direct discourse with the mentioned posters, you can search if its' that important to you.
posters I wouldn't have a beer with i just tend to ignore, your innuendo is noted and isn't the 1st time. My case is that its
a shit house thing to do to go snivelling getting posters banned, its the moderators job to do this, and its the moderators you should have your angst with, I haven't given them a platform for their views.

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The poster you are referring to can give it out in spades but can’t take it back, and as far as I’m aware Organ isn’t banned , he’s probably taking a break from the online community.

It appears to me, there are people who don’t want a semblance of truth, they just want reassurance of what they believe is true.

You have to remember you are dealing with pensioners and retired people generally ( hard to believe I know as they have probably got grandchildren) ) so therefore, it’s understandable that the views, opinions and attitudes are so different.

If we all had the same views these kind of sounding boards would soon disappear.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

The poster you are referring to can give it out in spades but can’t take it back, and as far as I’m aware Organ isn’t banned , he’s probably taking a break from the online community.

It appears to me, there are people who don’t want a semblance of truth, they just want reassurance of what they believe is true.

You have to remember you are dealing with pensioners and retired people generally ( hard to believe I know as they have probably got grandchildren) ) so therefore, it’s understandable that the views, opinions and attitudes are so different.

If we all had the same views these kind of sounding boards would soon disappear.

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I clicked on any post from Morg which had the word "Banned" under his status to form my "opinion" that he had been banned from the Board. What did you use to form your "opinion"?

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

I clicked on any post from Morg which had the word "Banned" under his status to form my "opinion" that he had been banned from the Board. What did you use to form your "opinion"?

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I did the same , and didn’t see anything under his name , then again I’m on a phone , so it may not have shown up.

Did you and your backup get him banned then , wouldn’t a simple PM expressing your concerns have been sufficient?

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

I did the same , and didn’t see anything under his name , then again I’m on a phone , so it may not have shown up.

Did you and your backup get him banned then , wouldn’t a simple PM expressing your concerns have been sufficient?

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I guess if you post exclusively from a phone then you miss a bit of detail that those that don't get. Don't you have a laptop or tablet, the knowledge base is much richer?

As I said earlier, I have some respect for posters like Organ Morgan and HeathBlue, who follow different stars but I can have a decent one to one relationship with. You should give it a go some time!

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

I guess if you post exclusively from a phone then you miss a bit of detail that those that don't get. Don't you have a laptop or tablet, the knowledge base is much richer?

As I said earlier, I have some respect for posters like Organ Morgan and HeathBlue, who follow different stars but I can have a decent one to one relationship with. You should give it a go some time!

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If want a decent relationship perhaps you should refrain from the childish name calling and curtail some of the extreme childish and obsessive tendencies that you display.

I think going forward it would be advisable if you put me on ignore as I wouldn’t want you getting upset and distressed what with the free rent that you get from me.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

If want a decent relationship perhaps you should refrain from the childish name calling and curtail some of the extreme childish and obsessive tendencies that you display.

I think going forward it would be advisable if you put me on ignore as I wouldn’t want you getting upset and distressed what with the free rent that you get from me.

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So in your opinion, now you and I have had an exchange and researched, has CCMB banned Organ Morgan or not?

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

So in your opinion, now you and I have had an exchange and researched, has CCMB banned Organ Morgan or not?

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As I said , I’d advise you to put me on ignore , now have a good night.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

As I said , I’d advise you to put me on ignore , now have a good night.

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I think, you advised Wales Bales to put me on ignore. Why would I stop calling out your stupidity? Now, do you think Mike and the Mechanics have banned Organ Morgan or is it just your opinion, It's not tricky?

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

I think, you advised Wales Bales to put me on ignore. Why would I stop calling out your stupidity? Now, do you think Mike and the Mechanics have banned Organ Morgan or is it just your opinion, It's not tricky?

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See what I mean with your obsessive behaviour, I’ve told you not to engage with me , take heed. Now once again ,Goodnight.