If somebody told you not to put your hand in the fire and you did it, who's fault would it be?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
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If somebody told you not to put your hand in the fire and you did it, who's fault would it be?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
:shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
So it seems Coutts did lie?
Worrying stuff really. And who sets the rules?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...anisation.html
callous ? - A case of faux outrage perhaps ? - there's a lot of it aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Who sets the rules ? Those in position of power and authority. Unanswerable, un-challenged..Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Question to everyone really - if you had your bank account shutdown - and you then establish that it is because of your political view points on this message board - would you be ok with that ?.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Wasnt happy in the 1980's when my Dad was effectively stopped from getting a promotion because of his somewhat 'firebrand' approach' to union life
Those who were considered a threat to the conservatives over the years wether they be trade unionists, miners support groups , academics, actors were treated like shit and often had far worse done to them than not get promotion or have their bank accounts closedQuote:
Originally Posted by pipster
The Economic League were a group of right wing captains of industry , bank managers , government advisors who kept a record of people they thought a danger ...even gay rights activists ! .....to conservative policies
What happened to farage is a grain of sand in the desert compared to so many others who were not right wing
The book is called The Economic League ....The Silent McCarthyism
Named after the anti communist ......or anyone who wasn't a right wing republican .....witch hunts in the USA
The left have put up with this for 50 yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Farage gets a sly one and the right are crying like babies
Nothing whatsoever (again) to do with right & left.The guy is an absolute idiot and his ideology is extremely dubious but the bank are hypocritical.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
How many of their account holders are oligarchs, CCP members etc ?
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So are you saying you support it?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
No but its a mere drop in the ocean to hear of right wing politicians and those in society getting stiffed like the socialists or those thought to be have beenQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
The Economic League was basically the gestapo and stasi of the tory party for many years till it got rumbled
Put it this way losing your bank account was the least of your worries if that lot had you under surveillance
It's very much to do with right or left as the left have been stiffed by right wing surveillance groups for yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
The Economic League were paid by the Conservative Party and big business to disrupt those that didn't agree with
Old farage got off very lightly
Some lefties are still missing !
So if a right wing bank (if there is such a thing) blocked your account, then blocked anyone of a left wing leaning opinion that had posted in a football forum - you would take it on the chin ? - I thought you had more bollox than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Maybe a review by the FSA into account holders at Coutts needs to be looked at..
Whether it's Farage or Michael Foot matters not.
And for once I agree with you - plenty of unionist firebrands in the 70's and 80's had a mark against their name - some officially - others not - but where their employer knew what they were like and decided to never give them promotion regardless of skill level.
Dare one say it, but Farage is coming over as a bit of a snowflake :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Snowflake?! I don't think having your bank account shut without warning is like sitting on a university course and coming across a historic word you don't like.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Surely anyone liberal recognises this is fundementally wrong?
It also interestingly highlights who the core audience for many 'woke' views are, and it seems to be the giant banks, fearful one assumes of a reaction by a tiny minority on social media?
James Wales in sense of humour failure shocker.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
I don’t know about firebrands’ but thousands of trades unionists, socialists and communists were prevented from working at all - not just blocked for promotion. The Economic League ran an employment blacklist - as I know to my cost.Quote:
Originally Posted by pipster
And ‘left’ and ‘right’ is absolutely relevant. Those who claim political views are irrelevant or that there is no left or right any more are the new foot soldiers of the alt right. They have their own devious and dishonest agenda. The political left are and always will be the enemies of wealth and privilege and exploitation. The right are the apologists of wealth and privilege. It is easy!
It's difficult to tell when some of you are joking!Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
As it goes, he does have snowflakey tendancies, much like those he doesn't like. But what's happened here is totally wrong.
I have tried to tell you that this sort of sly stuff has been going on for years by the political facade YOU prop up against people you label as lefties ......strangely enough not much mentionQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
It's only when one of your lot gets stiffed......farage ... that suddenly nigel farage is a poster boy for the downtrodden
I suppose we have to be grateful it's in the news
I would absolutely oppose this happening to anyone based on this criteria. I am no fan of banks at all and will argue against things like a cashless society and excessive surveillance at every turn. Can you cite a recent example to back up your claim?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
And even if you are right, and perhaps you are, you tolerating this only makes it more likely to happen to anyone in the future.
On your last couple of sentences..I think that used to be true. Not sure it is now.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
On BBC Politics today, the panel all roundly condemned Coutts on TV except Angela Eagle MP, who seemed to make light of it.
What claim ? That The Economic League is a right wing group with sinister actions ?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
That's not a claim, that's a fact
I don't tolerate this sort of activity please don't insult my intelligence
I have said that twice now
This is still going on now and there are so many examples they have written plenty of books about it
What we do know is that it is OVERWHELMINGLY people left of the political spectrum and those involved in human rights , trade unions , the environment etc that have been targeted by the forces of money and control
I am not going to waste my time enlightening you about the activity of The Economic League
Thatcher was a big fan
It's certainly not funded by the TUC put it that way
Quite a funny read all this. Shines a light on the people who are so politically blinded that they can't even comment on a simple topic without filtering it through their political beliefs first.
I take from that, that you can't name an example.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I also don't think it's true about history either btw. Perhaps more so in this country, esp when one thinks of union blacklisting and things, but not generally. Nonetheless, such actions were wrong then and they are wrong now, especially with us all seemingly voluntarily giving banks and financial services firms so much power.
Although I do take the point about banks closing accounts for someone's political beliefs, I'm guilty as charged when it comes to Farage. At the time of the 2016 vote, I was a genuine don't know and the main thing which, just about, tipped me into the remain camp was the fact that I just couldn't put myself on the same side as him.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGoose
Not quite sure why that is relevant. Whether someone is right - left - nationalist - communist should make no difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Coutts has prime ministers, presidents, politicians , judges, generals, journalists, entrepreneurs etc - some which I am sure I will like or indifferent or dislike.
If banks want to discriminate on the grounds the individual is a politically exposed person - then in theory Coutts would have very few customers left.
The good thing to come out of this is that the law will now be changed. Radio4 this morning had various people on giving their opinions - they invited both Nat West and Coutts to come on and discuss their 'policy' - but the interviews were declined.
They have exposed themselves and their industry of their policies - and these will now be changed.
I can only imagine the lovely people who Coutts welcome with open arms. Saudi, Chinese oligarchs, arms dealers, ...Quote:
Originally Posted by pipster
Yes - although I imagine most of them prefer to buy property in London via a shell Swiss investment company they have setup.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
Coutts have opened their own can of worms here - and it's a very murky can, especially when compared to an ex metal trades investor and who had the temerity to start his own political party (like we all could have done).
Same as Bank of Dave up in Burney - that program is well worth a watch
Example of what ?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Well that can be thrown right back with interestQuote:
Originally Posted by TheGoose
Farage gets an apology from banking boss
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66258137.
Rightly so. Some will have warmed their hands at Farage being embroiled in this scandal but banks interfering with free speech is chilling and no one would win from it
Grovelling apology issued to Farage, by Natwest lady who is paid 5 million squid where the bank is approx. 40% owned by the tax payer , maybe its a reminder to these companies that they should concentrate on running their businesses and stop worrying about and or promoting the culture wars. Farage won a broadcasting award the other week which was won on a people's vote, he might not be likeable to many but IMO this particular win might open up a little can of worms, IMO he's just another gate keeper with the pretence of being on the side of Joe public.
What claims ?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Use your free speech
Sorry, what?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I don't think it's quite that serious, if Farage was actually wealthy they wouldn't have acted.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
For me this is wanker bank has public spat with one of its many wanker clients. I couldn't give a ****.
Use your free speech to inform me what claims I have apparently made which apparently I havnt answered your question on ?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
I have absolutely no fecking idea what you are talking about
What claims ?
This brexit bore I know was amazed when I told him this sort of thing has been going on for years , especially under ThatcherQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
He was outraged that his pin up boy farage had been stiffed , he wouldn't have batted an eyelid otherwise
Sorry, you implied this has been happening to political figures on the left for years, but I don't think you gave an example.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Nearly everyone across the spectrum has condemned Coutts and rightly so
And rightly so thought we lived in a democracy? This will finish them another self destruct Ratner moment approaches.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Natwest CEO resigns.
Lucky not to be prosecuted for a major Data breach
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