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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Originally Posted by
Nobody's Rep
Well at least the fans that went to pre seasons at home and then Portugal were supportive - apparently the Swans were booed off at half time in their game with Oxford and cheers went up when the swans keeper caught the ball - that is another level degree of entitlement
They have wanted both Martin and Cooper out. Totally deluded fan base.
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Originally Posted by
Hilts
Yeah but the defence would have had confidence of shots going in being saved.
I reckon the points swing of Marshall winning us points and Allsopp losing them is huge.
Marshall used to make some unbelievable saves. Allsopp regularly lets in shots while not absolute howlers you think he should have done better.
Allsopp was a significant reason on why we were one of the worst sides in the league last season and it looks like hes still going to be there with a defence minus Kipre.
My comment was specifically in response to that made about him commanding his area and you seem to agree by adding 'Yeah but....' :shrug:
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Originally Posted by
Alan Lung
He's right though, old chum.
Know heeze knot
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
Keepers and Strikers are the two most important positions on the pitch, if we had Kaba and a good keeper I would be feeling a lot more optimistic.
Keepers are not more important than centre halves, wingers or centre midfielders. That is absolute cobblers. Plenty of teams have won leagues with average keepers, nobody has won anything with a bang average core or with no goalscorers from all over the pitch.
I would be amazed if they're trying to look for a keeper over those 3.
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Originally Posted by
Hilts
Yeah but the defence would have had confidence of shots going in being saved.
I reckon the points swing of Marshall winning us points and Allsopp losing them is huge.
Marshall used to make some unbelievable saves. Allsopp regularly lets in shots while not absolute howlers you think he should have done better.
Allsopp was a significant reason on why we were one of the worst sides in the league last season and it looks like hes still going to be there with a defence minus Kipre.
We were the worst side in the league because we posed no threat going forwards and after a while, our defence crumbled. We couldn't score, it is not that deep. Allsop is not a very good goalkeeper but unless we address the goalscoring issues, we are stuffed. We also have to sign a centre back. It is an absolute must. I have been saying for 12 months we need some new centre mids, too. All our centre mids are incapable of playing intelligent balls, that is why we just pass the ball around looking like we've got no idea what we're doing. Even though Adams, Rino, Wintle and Ralls are all quite different they all do similar jobs and have the same fundamental limitations on the ball.
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
Keepers are not more important than centre halves, wingers or centre midfielders. That is absolute cobblers. Plenty of teams have won leagues with average keepers, nobody has won anything with a bang average core or with no goalscorers from all over the pitch.
I would be amazed if they're trying to look for a keeper over those 3.
Who ?
Is Man City's Keeper crap, was Man U's when they were winning everything?
It's cobblers to think teams can win the league with the worst keeper for stats in the League.
Do you think Man City would have won the title last year with Alsopp?
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
We were the worst side in the league because we posed no threat going forwards and after a while, our defence crumbled. We couldn't score, it is not that deep. Allsop is not a very good goalkeeper but unless we address the goalscoring issues, we are stuffed. We also have to sign a centre back. It is an absolute must. I have been saying for 12 months we need some new centre mids, too. All our centre mids are incapable of playing intelligent balls, that is why we just pass the ball around looking like we've got no idea what we're doing. Even though Adams, Rino, Wintle and Ralls are all quite different they all do similar jobs and have the same fundamental limitations on the ball.
Kaba addressed the goals and just kept us up, A new Kaba and a new Keeper would make the World of difference.
Do we have a new Kaba, I'm not sure it's hard to gage in friendlies but I don't think so?
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
Who ?
Is Man City's Keeper crap, was Man U's when they were winning everything?
It's cobblers to think teams can win the league with the worst keeper for stats in the League.
Do you think Man City would have won the title last year with Alsopp?
Yes, I do think they'd have won the league because he never has to do anything :hehe:. If Man City had Emerson in net with Rinomhota in for Rodri and Simpson in for Ruben Dias, they'd struggle more.
Muric at Burnley isn't very good. Sheff Utd have Foderingham in net, he's fine at best. Luton went up with Ethan Horvath who was terrible for Forest. I also don't think there are many good keepers around, Ben Wilson was in the EFL team of the season and he looked a million miles from that in 16-17!
Having a good keeper is important but having centre mids and centre backs are so much more important. We also aren't going to be able to get a Marshall etc for nothing.
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
Kaba addressed the goals and just kept us up, A new Kaba and a new Keeper would make the World of difference.
Do we have a new Kaba, I'm not sure it's hard to gage in friendlies but I don't think so?
He didn't really. We still hardly scored with him in the side. We need to address the fundamental issues of why we don't score.
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
Yes, I do think they'd have won the league because he never has to do anything :hehe:. If Man City had Emerson in net with Rinomhota in for Rodri and Simpson in for Ruben Dias, they'd struggle more.
Muric at Burnley isn't very good. Sheff Utd have Foderingham in net, he's fine at best. Luton went up with Ethan Horvath who was terrible for Forest. I also don't think there are many good keepers around, Ben Wilson was in the EFL team of the season and he looked a million miles from that in 16-17!
Having a good keeper is important but having centre mids and centre backs are so much more important. We also aren't going to be able to get a Marshall etc for nothing.
He made loads of saves and the sign of a good keeper is that they make it look like they don't have anything to do because they come out and sweep the ball when they need to and stay on their line when they need to.
You are right on that point a good keeper makes it look easy, just a like a good Striker they pass the ball into the net thirty times a season.
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
He didn't really. We still hardly scored with him in the side. We need to address the fundamental issues of why we don't score.
He scored a lot more per game than all the rest, those goals were vital.
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
Yes, I do think they'd have won the league because he never has to do anything :hehe:. If Man City had Emerson in net with Rinomhota in for Rodri and Simpson in for Ruben Dias, they'd struggle more.
Muric at Burnley isn't very good. Sheff Utd have Foderingham in net, he's fine at best. Luton went up with Ethan Horvath who was terrible for Forest. I also don't think there are many good keepers around, Ben Wilson was in the EFL team of the season and he looked a million miles from that in 16-17!
Having a good keeper is important but having centre mids and centre backs are so much more important. We also aren't going to be able to get a Marshall etc for nothing.
How are their stats worse than our keepers?
https://fbref.com/en/comps/10/keeper...pionship-Stats
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
He made loads of saves and the sign of a good keeper is that they make it look like they don't have anything to do because they come out and sweep the ball when they need to and stay on their line when they need to.
You are right on that point a good keeper makes it look easy, just a like a good Striker they pass the ball into the net thirty times a season.
Ederson made 74 saves last season. That's it. He does nothing because their team is so good. Having a keeper is obviously important but if you have a good core you can get away with it. You will get murdered if you have a poor core. Wales had Rush, Hughes and Southall. How did that go?
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
He scored a lot more per game than all the rest, those goals were vital.
His goals were vital. It also needs to be said that we were more attacking as a team under Lamouchi than we were before he took over, it wasn't quite the Sory Kaba show. We scored 1 goal more in our first 28 games last season than we did under the last 18 when Lamouchi was in charge. The downside was that we had the joint 7th best defensive record after 28 games but the 5th worst under Lamouchi.
The increase in attacking play led to more goals being conceded.
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
I haven't watched much of us recently, went from an ardent season ticket holder to casual fan who can barely name our starting 11. Based on our downward trajectory, you would think that's a good prediction. On paper the league looks harder than ever.
I went through every team in the league on Wikipedia to see our quality vs the field, I think on paper, we're not that bad. Probably a top 12-14 team. I was very impressed with our first half showing vs Porto (who would walk this league with 110 points+) and we looked very good, fell appart in the second half, but I like what the coach is doing.
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On the goalkeeper debate, Courtois literally won Real Madrid the Champions league almost singlehandedly, especially in the final vs Liverpool. If they Had Allsop vs Pool' they would have lost 5-1.
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If wed had Allsopp unstead of Marshall in our promotion season there is no way wed have been promoted automatically. We may not have even made the play offs.
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Originally Posted by
Hilts
If wed had Allsopp unstead of Marshall in our promotion season there is no way wed have been promoted automatically. We may not have even made the play offs.
Cardiff were 19 points clear of 6th, 10 points clear of 3rd, were top of the league for about 30 weeks and completely coasted in the last 7/8 games as they had bugger all to play for as it was already sewn up. That is a ridiculous comment. They'd have walked it with Allsop in goal.
By the way, I don't rate Allsop at all but he isn't that bad. Amazingly his confidence nose dived when he was picking the ball out of the back of the net 3 times a week because we can't mark, don't score and lost every week.
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Originally Posted by
Divine Wright
:hehe:
You've only gone and jinxed it :facepalm: it'll be 24th now!
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Originally Posted by
Hilts
If wed had Allsopp unstead of Marshall in our promotion season there is no way wed have been promoted automatically. We may not have even made the play offs.
You appear to know as little about goal keepers as you do about centre halves. For a bloke who sets himself up as a bit of a footie expert on here, you don't half make yourself look silly with some of your ‘analysis’.
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Originally Posted by
dml1954
You appear to know as little about goal keepers as you do about centre halves. For a bloke who sets himself up as a bit of a footie expert on here, you don't half make yourself look silly with some of your ‘analysis’.
Sets myself up as a footie expert.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
From the poster who said we were a better side with Will Vaulks in it.
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Hilts
Sets myself up as a footie expert.
From the poster who said we were a better side with Will Vaulks in it.
And how Madine was value for money.
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Hilts
Sets myself up as a footie expert.
From the poster who said we were a better side with Will Vaulks in it.
C’mon now, the man is facing a terrible dilemma, the side that just avoided relegation last season were world class in his eyes. How he’d describe this side and the players now they’re 7th would make him look daft(er):hehe:
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Originally Posted by
Carl Dale's Mole
You've only gone and jinxed it :facepalm: it'll be 24th now!
Indeed, history suggests it would be unwise to be getting carried away after eight games.
Guess who was 7th in the table after eight games last season?
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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The Lone Gunman
Indeed, history suggests it would be unwise to be getting carried away after eight games.
Guess who was 7th in the table after eight games last season?
Plymouth argyle
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They could be right. Don’t get carried away with this result just yet. 3 wins from the top of the table, 3 defeats from the bottom three. Simple as that. Long way to go , a lot of games to be played, with or without Ramsey. Let’s see what happens. The Championship has never been an easy League. This season won’t be any different.
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Indeed, history suggests it would be unwise to be getting carried away after eight games.
Guess who was 7th in the table after eight games last season?
Reading?
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Originally Posted by
olderblue
Reading?
Spot on.
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Indeed, history suggests it would be unwise to be getting carried away after eight games.
Guess who was 7th in the table after eight games last season?
The past 8 days must have hurt you
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
Feel at this stage it’s a matter of collecting points to retain a half way position and let’s see where it goes from there. Very encouraging though.
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Dave Blue
Feel at this stage it’s a matter of collecting points to retain a half way position and let’s see where it goes from there. Very encouraging though.
Absolutely. It's been fun this far. No expectations whatsoever, so whatever the side does beyond avoiding the drop, will be fantastic.
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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TheBirchgrovePub
The past 8 days must have hurt you
He just can't bring himself to say anything positive can he :hehe:
Yes, it will very likely go tits up for us very soon.
We have just had three league wins in a week, two against pretty good sides and one against our arch rivals, but our good fortune will no doubt be be over in a whipstitch.
How dare people get a little bit carried away with it all!
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The Lone Gunman
Indeed, history suggests it would be unwise to be getting carried away after eight games.
Guess who was 7th in the table after eight games last season?
Not Reading.
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MacAdder
He just can't bring himself to say anything positive can he :hehe:
Yes, it will very likely go tits up for us very soon.
We have just had three league wins in a week, two against pretty good sides and one against our arch rivals, but our good fortune will no doubt be be over in a whipstitch.
How dare people get a little bit carried away with it all!
:biggrin:
Yeah if it wasn’t so obvious it would be amusing :hehe:
You’d think this thread was everyone lining up to say we’re going up as champions
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Originally Posted by
TheBirchgrovePub
The past 8 days must have hurt you
What a bizarre thing to say. Strange man.
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Eric the Half a Bee
Not Reading.
Ah, Reading had only played 7 games in the BBC table I looked at, which was after City's 8th game. So they were doing better than I thought after 8 games.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62644248
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Originally Posted by
TheBirchgrovePub
Yeah if it wasn’t so obvious it would be amusing
What are your other usernames?
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Re: We are going to finish 23rd
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
What a bizarre thing to say. Strange man.
Barely a Cardiff related post since before the 3 wins in 8 days then back to have a snipe at people daring to modestly enjoy it by posting some (wrong) irrelevant facts about who was 7th last season.
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I think carried away would be suggesting promotion challenges.
We avoided the drop because of a sides points deduction cant buy any players and just won 3 on the bounce.
I dont think we will be in a relegation battle after initially going into the season where id have taken a place above the drop zone.
Its an encouraging start to a much needed rebuild. Its helped that 3 players who were with us last season are having such a poitive impact. Collins , Tanner and Alnwick.