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Eric the Half a Bee
When you say things cannot be afforded, do you agree with tax avoidance by the most wealthy?
If it's legal that's fine, if it's not no, governments should look to try and block the loopholes for the super-rich. Even then things will have to change, all the services currently provided are unaffordable and some will have to be reduced, but not bin and recycling collections as they are essential to everyone.
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North Cardiff Blue
If it's legal that's fine, if it's not no, governments should look to try and block the loopholes for the super-rich. Even then things will have to change, all the services currently provided are unaffordable and some will have to be reduced, but not bin and recycling collections as they are essential to everyone.
Let's address some of this bit by bit. I had a chat on social media last night with a councillor who is an independant with one local authority in South Wales. He conceded that the reason for failures in council funding come from Westminster and that council tax payers are increasingly being asked to make up some of the shortfall. Most people don't know this. I reckon everybody should know how their local authorities are being funded, and when they are asked to pay increases that are above inflation, they need to be told why. At the moment the vast majority of people just think they pay lots and get less, which certainly doesn't tell the full story. This isn't being anti-Tory as Labour will do exactly the same if they win the next election.
As for the super-rich, I feel there's something horrifically wrong with a country that can create more and more billionnaires (not millionnaires) during a cost of living crisis, while millions of people suffer below inflation pay rises and above inflation rising costs, particularly with energy. If the UK controlled much more of its energy supply things might be different. I have friends in Norway, where hydropower supplies virtually all of the energy the country needs, at a fraction of the cost. Wales and Scotland certainly have the resources to do that. I may be going off on a bit of a tangent, but I feel that the UK is geared almost entirely to providing more and more wealth to the big corporations and those who already have enough in the bank to feed a small country. Worse still is that so many think that's fine, yet homeless people are a blight on society, those struggling to make ends meet are feckless layabouts. Our government continually makes immigration a focal point, deflecting away from other issues - get people angry about a few people trying to cross the channel on a dinghy, not the massive shift of wealth away from working people. While we're busy arguing with ourselves about trivial issues like immigration, the real issues of wealth separation are being conducted behind our backs, we don't know they're happening because we're not meant to know.
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Let's address some of this bit by bit. I had a chat on social media last night with a councillor who is an independant with one local authority in South Wales. He conceded that the reason for failures in council funding come from Westminster and that council tax payers are increasingly being asked to make up some of the shortfall. Most people don't know this. I reckon everybody should know how their local authorities are being funded, and when they are asked to pay increases that are above inflation, they need to be told why. At the moment the vast majority of people just think they pay lots and get less, which certainly doesn't tell the full story. This isn't being anti-Tory as Labour will do exactly the same if they win the next election.
As for the super-rich, I feel there's something horrifically wrong with a country that can create more and more billionnaires (not millionnaires) during a cost of living crisis, while millions of people suffer below inflation pay rises and above inflation rising costs, particularly with energy. If the UK controlled much more of its energy supply things might be different. I have friends in Norway, where hydropower supplies virtually all of the energy the country needs, at a fraction of the cost. Wales and Scotland certainly have the resources to do that. I may be going off on a bit of a tangent, but I feel that the UK is geared almost entirely to providing more and more wealth to the big corporations and those who already have enough in the bank to feed a small country. Worse still is that so many think that's fine, yet homeless people are a blight on society, those struggling to make ends meet are feckless layabouts. Our government continually makes immigration a focal point, deflecting away from other issues - get people angry about a few people trying to cross the channel on a dinghy, not the massive shift of wealth away from working people. While we're busy arguing with ourselves about trivial issues like immigration, the real issues of wealth separation are being conducted behind our backs, we don't know they're happening because we're not meant to know.
Good post. :thumbup:
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Re: Cardiff - Changes to your recycling
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Let's address some of this bit by bit. I had a chat on social media last night with a councillor who is an independant with one local authority in South Wales. He conceded that the reason for failures in council funding come from Westminster and that council tax payers are increasingly being asked to make up some of the shortfall. Most people don't know this. I reckon everybody should know how their local authorities are being funded, and when they are asked to pay increases that are above inflation, they need to be told why. At the moment the vast majority of people just think they pay lots and get less, which certainly doesn't tell the full story. This isn't being anti-Tory as Labour will do exactly the same if they win the next election.
As for the super-rich, I feel there's something horrifically wrong with a country that can create more and more billionnaires (not millionnaires) during a cost of living crisis, while millions of people suffer below inflation pay rises and above inflation rising costs, particularly with energy. If the UK controlled much more of its energy supply things might be different. I have friends in Norway, where hydropower supplies virtually all of the energy the country needs, at a fraction of the cost. Wales and Scotland certainly have the resources to do that. I may be going off on a bit of a tangent, but I feel that the UK is geared almost entirely to providing more and more wealth to the big corporations and those who already have enough in the bank to feed a small country. Worse still is that so many think that's fine, yet homeless people are a blight on society, those struggling to make ends meet are feckless layabouts. Our government continually makes immigration a focal point, deflecting away from other issues - get people angry about a few people trying to cross the channel on a dinghy, not the massive shift of wealth away from working people. While we're busy arguing with ourselves about trivial issues like immigration, the real issues of wealth separation are being conducted behind our backs, we don't know they're happening because we're not meant to know.
:thumbup: there’s none so blind who will not see.
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My crutch got caught in one of the new sacks alongside the Taff Embankment early this morning.
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https://cardiffjournalism.co.uk/thec...-new-strategy/
some info about it here, from march of last year, but I guess still relevant
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
on a side note - how much nicer is that website to read than Wales online.
I only spotted one mistake so far as well
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Re: Cardiff - Changes to your recycling
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Let's address some of this bit by bit. I had a chat on social media last night with a councillor who is an independant with one local authority in South Wales. He conceded that the reason for failures in council funding come from Westminster and that council tax payers are increasingly being asked to make up some of the shortfall. Most people don't know this. I reckon everybody should know how their local authorities are being funded, and when they are asked to pay increases that are above inflation, they need to be told why. At the moment the vast majority of people just think they pay lots and get less, which certainly doesn't tell the full story. This isn't being anti-Tory as Labour will do exactly the same if they win the next election.
As for the super-rich, I feel there's something horrifically wrong with a country that can create more and more billionnaires (not millionnaires) during a cost of living crisis, while millions of people suffer below inflation pay rises and above inflation rising costs, particularly with energy. If the UK controlled much more of its energy supply things might be different. I have friends in Norway, where hydropower supplies virtually all of the energy the country needs, at a fraction of the cost. Wales and Scotland certainly have the resources to do that. I may be going off on a bit of a tangent, but I feel that the UK is geared almost entirely to providing more and more wealth to the big corporations and those who already have enough in the bank to feed a small country. Worse still is that so many think that's fine, yet homeless people are a blight on society, those struggling to make ends meet are feckless layabouts. Our government continually makes immigration a focal point, deflecting away from other issues - get people angry about a few people trying to cross the channel on a dinghy, not the massive shift of wealth away from working people. While we're busy arguing with ourselves about trivial issues like immigration, the real issues of wealth separation are being conducted behind our backs, we don't know they're happening because we're not meant to know.
There have always been and always be super rich in every Country, that is the way of the World how do you propose to stop it?
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Re: Cardiff - Changes to your recycling
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Let's address some of this bit by bit. I had a chat on social media last night with a councillor who is an independant with one local authority in South Wales. He conceded that the reason for failures in council funding come from Westminster and that council tax payers are increasingly being asked to make up some of the shortfall. Most people don't know this. I reckon everybody should know how their local authorities are being funded, and when they are asked to pay increases that are above inflation, they need to be told why. At the moment the vast majority of people just think they pay lots and get less, which certainly doesn't tell the full story. This isn't being anti-Tory as Labour will do exactly the same if they win the next election.
As for the super-rich, I feel there's something horrifically wrong with a country that can create more and more billionnaires (not millionnaires) during a cost of living crisis, while millions of people suffer below inflation pay rises and above inflation rising costs, particularly with energy. If the UK controlled much more of its energy supply things might be different. I have friends in Norway, where hydropower supplies virtually all of the energy the country needs, at a fraction of the cost. Wales and Scotland certainly have the resources to do that. I may be going off on a bit of a tangent, but I feel that the UK is geared almost entirely to providing more and more wealth to the big corporations and those who already have enough in the bank to feed a small country. Worse still is that so many think that's fine, yet homeless people are a blight on society, those struggling to make ends meet are feckless layabouts. Our government continually makes immigration a focal point, deflecting away from other issues - get people angry about a few people trying to cross the channel on a dinghy, not the massive shift of wealth away from working people. While we're busy arguing with ourselves about trivial issues like immigration, the real issues of wealth separation are being conducted behind our backs, we don't know they're happening because we're not meant to know.
Real eyes Realise Real lies
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Re: Cardiff - Changes to your recycling
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Let's address some of this bit by bit. I had a chat on social media last night with a councillor who is an independant with one local authority in South Wales. He conceded that the reason for failures in council funding come from Westminster and that council tax payers are increasingly being asked to make up some of the shortfall. Most people don't know this. I reckon everybody should know how their local authorities are being funded, and when they are asked to pay increases that are above inflation, they need to be told why. At the moment the vast majority of people just think they pay lots and get less, which certainly doesn't tell the full story. This isn't being anti-Tory as Labour will do exactly the same if they win the next election.
As for the super-rich, I feel there's something horrifically wrong with a country that can create more and more billionnaires (not millionnaires) during a cost of living crisis, while millions of people suffer below inflation pay rises and above inflation rising costs, particularly with energy. If the UK controlled much more of its energy supply things might be different. I have friends in Norway, where hydropower supplies virtually all of the energy the country needs, at a fraction of the cost. Wales and Scotland certainly have the resources to do that. I may be going off on a bit of a tangent, but I feel that the UK is geared almost entirely to providing more and more wealth to the big corporations and those who already have enough in the bank to feed a small country. Worse still is that so many think that's fine, yet homeless people are a blight on society, those struggling to make ends meet are feckless layabouts. Our government continually makes immigration a focal point, deflecting away from other issues - get people angry about a few people trying to cross the channel on a dinghy, not the massive shift of wealth away from working people. While we're busy arguing with ourselves about trivial issues like immigration, the real issues of wealth separation are being conducted behind our backs, we don't know they're happening because we're not meant to know.
We all know that local councils have bigger responsibilities and that some like Cardiff waste money on daft ideas and mistakes.
This recycling nonsense will end up being reversed when it fails, more people will stick the old green bag recycling stuff in the black bins and the City will be full of even more litter.
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North Cardiff Blue
There have always been and always be super rich in every Country, that is the way of the World how do you propose to stop it?
Not to the extend we have here and the US. The gap between the most and least wealthy here is one of the largest anywhere in the world and has grown disproportionately since 2010, when the majority have had to suffer austerity and now cost of living problems. Are you really suggesting things couldn't be different?
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Citizen's Nephew
My crutch got caught in one of the new sacks alongside the Taff Embankment early this morning.
What was your crotch doing near them :hehe:
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Not to the extend we have here and the US. The gap between the most and least wealthy here is one of the largest anywhere in the world and has grown disproportionately since 2010, when the majority have had to suffer austerity and now cost of living problems. Are you really suggesting things couldn't be different?
Is that fact or assumption?
I think it's worldwide with the US being the worst?
it's not ideal but how can anyone possibly change that?
https://www.un.org/en/un75/inequalit...e%20inequality.
In 2018, the 26 richest people in the world held as much wealth as half of the global population (the 3.8 billion poorest people), down from 43 people the year before.
This matters because rapid rises in incomes at the top are driving and exacerbating within country income inequality.
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Rjk
Brilliant idea for the Welsh Government to fine cash-strapped councils for not meeting arbitrary recycling targets.
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
Is that fact or assumption?
I think it's worldwide with the US being the worst?
it's not ideal but how can anyone possibly change that?
https://www.un.org/en/un75/inequalit...e%20inequality.
In 2018, the 26 richest people in the world held as much wealth as half of the global population (the 3.8 billion poorest people), down from 43 people the year before.
This matters because rapid rises in incomes at the top are driving and exacerbating within country income inequality.
so if we murder 26 people and redistributed their money, we could double the wealth of 3.8 billion people?
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https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...-huge-28722487
Cardiff Council could face a huge fine if it does not go ahead with controversial changes to the way it collects waste and recycling in the city.
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Rjk
so if we murder 26 people and redistributed their money, we could double the wealth of 3.8 billion people?
Should be fine, I doubt they've got wills written.
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lardy
Should be fine, I doubt they've got wills written.
Im also hearing that murder is illegal so looks like they've got every angle covered
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Don't Billionaires own shares? If they keep a hold of them how do we tax that?
Don't many billionaires employ thousands of people?
Don't you think it's also fair that the majority that use the services pay for what they use? How many millionaires and billionaires do you see over the Royal Glam on a Saturday morning? Billionaires aren't putting a strain on the country, the masses and masses of people that need services are. If you take the kids to McDonalds for a treat do you buy all the other kids in there a happy meal because you've got the money or do you pay for your own food and leave like the rest of them do!
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Originally Posted by
Dembe
Don't Billionaires own shares? If they keep a hold of them how do we tax that?
Don't many billionaires employ thousands of people?
Don't you think it's also fair that the majority that use the services pay for what they use? How many millionaires and billionaires do you see over the Royal Glam on a Saturday morning? Billionaires aren't putting a strain on the country, the masses and masses of people that need services are. If you take the kids to McDonalds for a treat do you buy all the other kids in there a happy meal because you've got the money or do you pay for your own food and leave like the rest of them do!
billionaires are a strain on this and every other country
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Originally Posted by
Dembe
Don't Billionaires own shares? If they keep a hold of them how do we tax that?
Don't many billionaires employ thousands of people?
Don't you think it's also fair that the majority that use the services pay for what they use? How many millionaires and billionaires do you see over the Royal Glam on a Saturday morning? Billionaires aren't putting a strain on the country, the masses and masses of people that need services are. If you take the kids to McDonalds for a treat do you buy all the other kids in there a happy meal because you've got the money or do you pay for your own food and leave like the rest of them do!
I get your approach. Look after yourself. Don't consider anyone else. Pay for what you need. I presume if someone needed a kidney you'd tell them to piss off unless they could afford it themselves. Sorry, but I have an ounce of humanity.
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Rjk
billionaires are a strain on this and every other country
They also get rich on the back of working people in this country.
I remember discussing this once with a rampant Tory, who sold gas for balloons, mainly to individuals who would buy balloons from a store and he'd fill them. He was adamant that we shouldn't have an NHS, that if people fell ill and couldn't afford to get better, tough. I asked him how it would affect his business. He thought about it and said it would have an impact on what he could earn, so I pointed out that paying a bit of tax and NI means some of your customers would get better and you'd have more trade. He never agreed with it. Stupid sod.
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
billionaires are a strain on this and every other country
https://www.theguardian.com/news/202...ich-g20-brazil
The G20 group of the world’s most powerful countries is exploring plans for a global minimum tax on the world’s 3,000 billionaires, aiming to end a “race to the bottom” that has enabled the super-rich to pay less than the rest of the population.
Leaders gathering in São Paulo for a key G20 meeting of finance ministers and central bank governors are preparing to discuss an internationally agreed backstop on the taxation of hypermobile wealthy individuals, amid increasing global cooperation to tackle tax avoidance.
Aiming to build on the cooperation that resulted in a 15% global minimum tax on multinational companies, which came into effect in January, the plan is being promoted under Brazil’s presidency of the G20 before a summit of world leaders in Rio de Janeiro in autumn.
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
I get your approach. Look after yourself. Don't consider anyone else. Pay for what you need. I presume if someone needed a kidney you'd tell them to piss off unless they could afford it themselves. Sorry, but I have an ounce of humanity.
I didn't say anything like that did I.
Billionaires own stock. They are rich on paper. What do you want to tax? I get taxed a percentage of what I earn, that is fair, so as a collective many of us chip in and get use of services. The rich people, who have money on paper, and don't use any of these services are expected to not only employ and pay people but contribute to services they don't use. Why?
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Originally Posted by
bobh
We had the new bags collected last week - "on the same day as normal" except that it was postponed at about 9pm on that day. So all these bags out in the street all day for no reason. This week it should be food bin, black bin, bottle bin, red bag and blue bag.
What could go wrongThese bags are useless. I thought they'd be rainproof, but all they've got is a couple of velcro patches on the front corners v- and handle at the side so that when you pick them up, it exposes the paper (and plastic) to the elements. Duh!
Today was collection day - except it isn't!
As I suspected, all the new recycling has been postponed until tomorrow (at least)
I have heard unconfirmed news that the council doesn't yet have enough of the new lorries that keep the different materials separate - so in some cases, your carefully separated recycling wase is being dumped into old lorries so it is mixed up again!
:facepalm:
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Originally Posted by
bobh
Today was collection day - except it isn't!
As I suspected, all the new recycling has been postponed until tomorrow (at least)
I have heard unconfirmed news that the council doesn't yet have enough of the new lorries that keep the different materials separate - so in some cases, your carefully separated recycling wase is being dumped into old lorries so it is mixed up again!
:facepalm:
Doesn't surprise me. The council didn't have enough of the new lorries for the trial period that started in 2022, so those households had to separate their recycling, the bin men threw it all in the same compartment in the lorry, and then it was taken to Lamby Way to be sorted again. Typical of Cardiff Council to take a good idea on paper and implement it badly.
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Has Cardiff Council always annoyed you Cardiff residents ?
What about the days of the liberal bloke Rodney Berman ?
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
I get your approach. Look after yourself. Don't consider anyone else. Pay for what you need. I presume if someone needed a kidney you'd tell them to piss off unless they could afford it themselves. Sorry, but I have an ounce of humanity.
I quite like Billionaires paying £millions of tax, employing people who also pay lots of tax, running businesses that pay lots of tax. They may not all be nice people like you with lots of humanity, but without them we'd be screwed...
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Originally Posted by
A Quiet Monkfish
I quite like Billionaires paying £millions of tax, employing people who also pay lots of tax, running businesses that pay lots of tax. They may not all be nice people like you with lots of humanity, but without them we'd be screwed...
we don't need billionaires at all.
what if billionaires were taxed at 100% of their wealth above 999 million. they would still have businesses, employ people etc.
every billionaire's existence is a failure of policy.
imagine if you observed the same behaviour in nature day a few monkeys hoarding more food than they could ever possibly hope to eat while others starve to death?
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Originally Posted by
A Quiet Monkfish
I quite like Billionaires paying £millions of tax, employing people who also pay lots of tax, running businesses that pay lots of tax. They may not all be nice people like you with lots of humanity, but without them we'd be screwed...
I don't think we'd be screwed. Jobs and taxes can still exist without billionaires.
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Originally Posted by
A Quiet Monkfish
I quite like Billionaires paying £millions of tax
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Originally Posted by
A Quiet Monkfish
I quite like Billionaires paying £millions of tax, employing people who also pay lots of tax, running businesses that pay lots of tax. They may not all be nice people like you with lots of humanity, but without them we'd be screwed...
Which tax haven are they paying the tax though?
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
we don't need billionaires at all.
what if billionaires were taxed at 100% of their wealth above 999 million. they would still have businesses, employ people etc.
every billionaire's existence is a failure of policy.
imagine if you observed the same behaviour in nature day a few monkeys hoarding more food than they could ever possibly hope to eat while others starve to death?
So if 'we don't need billiionaires' we don't need to take more of their wealth. Sorted.
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A Quiet Monkfish
So if 'we don't need billiionaires' we don't need to take more of their wealth. Sorted.
Or if they paid people a bit more, they'd hardly miss it, we could spend a bit less on welfare etc. Universal Credit is basically topping up poor pay.
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
we don't need billionaires at all.
what if billionaires were taxed at 100% of their wealth above 999 million. they would still have businesses, employ people etc.
every billionaire's existence is a failure of policy.
imagine if you observed the same behaviour in nature day a few monkeys hoarding more food than they could ever possibly hope to eat while others starve to death?
Thats what happens the leader eats the most and the others in the group then get some when he lets them, then if they find another group near their food they kick the shit out of them, we are all animals.
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North Cardiff Blue
Thats what happens the leader eats the most and the others in the group then get some when he lets them, then if they find another group near their food they kick the shit out of them, we are all animals.
https://equalitytrust.org.uk/scale-e...-inequality-uk
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Eric the Half a Bee
It's growing computers, online businesses are part of the exponential growth in some areas, and money goes to money is still true and alive and kicking, so the top end is always moving forward.
Then traditional businesses are in decline and wealth there is decreasing, and we have five generations of families that will never see the need to work, and all forms of immigration, some coming right in at the top, but more adding to the lower wealth contingent.
As you've said it's worse in America and I've seen it's similar in most of Europe, but you'll never stop it, the same happens with bigger gaps in communist countries, the people at the top grab all the wealth and power.
Lions do the same the King has all the lionesses and the best food, we are animals.
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Eric the Half a Bee
Or if they paid people a bit more, they'd hardly miss it, we could spend a bit less on welfare etc. Universal Credit is basically topping up poor pay.
Denise Coates paid half a billion pounds in income tax. Her company employs 7000 people, most of whom pay tax & NI. Her businesses pay hundreds of millions in corporation tax. Tell her she'll 'hardly miss' another £50 million and she could well tell the govt. where to go and move to Guernsey etc.
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Or if they paid people a bit more, they'd hardly miss it, we could spend a bit less on welfare etc. Universal Credit is basically topping up poor pay.
exactly, we allow billionaires to pay poverty wages that are propped up by the taxpayer. if you work full time you used to be able to live a decent life, afford a home, have a stay at home parent etc, these things are now in the past because more and more of the wealth is being absorbed by the greedy few at the top.
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Originally Posted by
A Quiet Monkfish
Denise Coates paid half a billion pounds in income tax. Her company employs 7000 people, most of whom pay tax & NI. Her businesses pay hundreds of millions in corporation tax. Tell her she'll 'hardly miss' another £50 million and she could well tell the govt. where to go and move to Guernsey etc.
She's the top (or 2nd depending where you read) tax payer in the UK. Yet she's only 16th on the rich list according to this
https://www.independent.co.uk/money/...-b2341903.html
Shouldn't the wealthiest be paying most tax?
