Re: Brexit again - nothing to see here...
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Indeed. UK exports have increased. Again, this is actual data and not predictions
You can see how culture wars happen. Cos the media outlets that many on the left read simply do not report this stuff, so we end up with the kind of arguments we saw earlier in this thread.
It is beyond frustrating
https://www.cityam.com/why-uk-servic...w-post-brexit/
"So has Brexit been a boon for British trade? Well, its more complicated than that.
The UK’s goods exporters have not performed anywhere near as well as the service sector. Although global goods trade has come under pressure in recent years, the UK goods exports have fallen much faster than the G7 average.
Goods exports have under-performed the G7 average by 15 per cent since 2020
Barriers to trade between the UK and EU have certainly contributed to this fall. The Office for National Statistics said that around half of exporting firms had faced extra costs due to Brexit.
The BCC has previously called for primary regulations on traded goods should mirror the EU’s in order to keep business costs low."
Re: Brexit again - nothing to see here...
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Originally Posted by
Jordi Culé
"So has Brexit been a boon for British trade? Well, its more complicated than that.
The UK’s goods exporters have not performed anywhere near as well as the service sector. Although global goods trade has come under pressure in recent years, the UK goods exports have fallen much faster than the G7 average.
Goods exports have under-performed the G7 average by 15 per cent since 2020
Barriers to trade between the UK and EU have certainly contributed to this fall. The Office for National Statistics said that around half of exporting firms had faced extra costs due to Brexit.
The BCC has previously called for primary regulations on traded goods should mirror the EU’s in order to keep business costs low."
Indeed. Also service sector growth is heavily focussed on London and the SE. Is this service sector growth making the slightest difference to the life of most ordinary people across the UK? Is the goods sector decline disproportionally impacting ordinary people? I don't know the answers to these questions, though I have my own views.
Aggregate export figures from the government's website actually show a small decline overall for the last 12 month period, though there's not much in it. https://www.gov.uk/government/statis...rs-web-version
James's "UK exports have increased" statement (apart from being factually incorrect) is just as guilty of over-simplifying a complex situation and cherry-picking to support a case as he accuses other people of. Beyond frustrating, indeed.
Re: Brexit again - nothing to see here...
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Originally Posted by
Swiss Peter
Indeed. Also service sector growth is heavily focussed on London and the SE. Is this service sector growth making the slightest difference to the life of most ordinary people across the UK? Is the goods sector decline disproportionally impacting ordinary people? I don't know the answers to these questions, though I have my own views.
Aggregate export figures from the government's website actually show a small decline overall for the last 12 month period, though there's not much in it.
https://www.gov.uk/government/statis...rs-web-version
James's "UK exports have increased" statement (apart from being factually incorrect) is just as guilty of over-simplifying a complex situation and cherry-picking to support a case as he accuses other people of. Beyond frustrating, indeed.
Oh come on Peter, going from 7th to 4th biggest exporter isn't what we were told would happen, and that is entirely my point. The doom laden predictions garner more attention than the actual facts.
But I make no attempt to proclaim we are in sunlit uplands. I merely say we are okay and reject the hysterical negativity.
I suspect we would be in total agreement on the general overreliance of the UK economy on south East England, esp when compared to somewhere like Germany that has political, media, industrial, financial capitals etc well spread around the country.
Re: Brexit again - nothing to see here...
We were an old couple the UK and the EU, been together for years - had a shot gun wedding where we were given a choice to stay together before we had already moved in. Then after many years of an ok situation with all the usual bumps in any relationship - one partner decided to move on.
Just like in a marriage / divorce situation the years after can be bitter and twisted - with each side trying to prove the other made the wrong decision to leave. I get the impression the UK and EU are just like that.
Re: Brexit again - nothing to see here...
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
People have passionate feelings about it, and all politics on all sides. You aren't alone in that. If you don't want to get your feelings hurt, then perhaps don't go around mocking others. You think its nice being insulted for 8 years, being called things you aren't? Think again. Less of that before the referendum, a little more understanding of people's feelings and you may have won the damned thing in the first place!
I'm sorry you feel upset, I understand how these things matter but the answer to that isn't to post insults and incorrect things on the internet. That won't change a single thing. Certain people lost the referendum, they then lost the Brexit negotiations by failing to back significantly softer exit deals. It's those people, not the voters you should look towards.
If people post things online that others think are untrue, there will be a pushback against it. Don't act in amazement when that happens.
Have a great day.
Hmmm. This is exactly the kind of reply that vindicates everything I wrote. I think you deflect and project an awful lot. It’s made my life difficult. I’ll be pushing back on this until it doesn’t. I await that day. You should really ask yourself why you champion this so much? Maybe people would have greater respect and understanding?
Re: Brexit again - nothing to see here...
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
After Brexit reports now state China generates the most wealth from exports - more than three and a half times as much as the UK - followed by the United States, Germany and then Britain. May not see this on BBC
Fab! I’ll hotdesk over there for a few months hassle free…..oh…wait. Irony….can’t even do that in Europe now. NB…this is NOT a lefty insult but a fact. Real life.
