Time to get of the fence. Should Bulut go or stay.

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Originally Posted by Undercoverinwurzelland

But would the top striker be isolated on his own up front and the attacking midfielder be expected to work harder in defence? It's impossible for me to imagine Bulut setting up any differently, even with some new signings.

I take your point about the possibility of them appointing a Trollope/Hudson if they did replace him though.

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What kind of club are we if we're scared of that outcome? What does it say about us? Just look at the dross our bunch have appointed and with two PL promotions blown amongst it too. But yes, I've no faith in their ability to make a decent replacement. But this one's not going to change no matter how much money we spend. Isn't the real fear we'll end up in another cycle of high wages and long contracts for players who are sh*t? I give you Wintle as exhibit A. I, personally, put Rails as exhibit B but I don't get all teary-eyed over him leaving and would have given him an engraved clock or something like the olden days.

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Originally Posted by Undercoverinwurzelland

But would the top striker be isolated on his own up front and the attacking midfielder be expected to work harder in defence? It's impossible for me to imagine Bulut setting up any differently, even with some new signings.

I take your point about the possibility of them appointing a Trollope/Hudson if they did replace him though.

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I think he would have, we started the season much more positively and then switched tactics to more defensive, I think partly because his two best creative attacking midfielders got injured, but also because despite scoring two in many of the first thirteen games we were conceding a lot.

We need a class number 10 like a fit Ramsey and a better more intelligent striker like Heiðar Helguson and we could leave the defence and defensive midfielders to defend our half.

If he gets a chance time will tell, but I think we are still at stage one in our team development.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

He'll improve it for sure, you remember January when he tried to sign a top Striker and an attacking midfielder but we couldn't compete as it was an over expensive January window.

A team builds in stages, the first stage is complete we are safe and very solid, the next stage build a more attacking team.

A one-year deal to see what he can do, otherwise a Trollope/Hudson novice will take us back into the bottom four.

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We lost 3-1 on the weekend to a below average championship team.

Conceded 3 at home against Hull who are a mid table team just like us.

Conceded 2 against Sunderland and the Jacks, 4 against Norwich, 3 against Plymouth, 3 against Leeds, 4 in the cup 4 Sheff Weds, 2 v Plymouth in a 2-2 draw, 3 v hull away etc etc.

Seem solid as a rock at the back, fair play, time to loosen off the defensive shackles and have a go at teams because we're absolutely sorted defensively.

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

What kind of club are we if we're scared of that outcome? What does it say about us?

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Says it all really - we're a dreadfully run club.

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Originally Posted by Dembe

We lost 3-1 on the weekend to a below average championship team.

Conceded 3 at home against Hull who are a mid table team just like us.

Conceded 2 against Sunderland and the Jacks, 4 against Norwich, 3 against Plymouth, 3 against Leeds, 4 in the cup 4 Sheff Weds, 2 v Plymouth in a 2-2 draw, 3 v hull away etc etc.

Seem solid as a rock at the back, fair play, time to loosen off the defensive shackles and have a go at teams because we're absolutely sorted defensively.

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The last six games we've won two the same as three of the top five, and more than leeds and West Brom.

Hull are seventh?

Of the top 10 only Norwich have won more games than us in the last six winning three.

The squad is not deep enough, we started well, dropped off a lot by December /January, then improved a bit with a few additions, with a decent Striker and better attacking midfielder we will look much better.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

The last six games we've won two the same as three of the top five, and more than leeds and West Brom.

Hull are seventh?

Of the top 10 only Norwich have won more games than us in the last six winning three.

The squad is not deep enough, we started well, dropped off a lot by December /January, then improved a bit with a few additions, with a decent Striker and better attacking midfielder we will look much better.

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A swerve and diversion a Tory politician would be proud of that one. :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Dembe

We lost 3-1 on the weekend to a below average championship team.

Conceded 3 at home against Hull who are a mid table team just like us.

Conceded 2 against Sunderland and the Jacks, 4 against Norwich, 3 against Plymouth, 3 against Leeds, 4 in the cup 4 Sheff Weds, 2 v Plymouth in a 2-2 draw, 3 v hull away etc etc.

Seem solid as a rock at the back, fair play, time to loosen off the defensive shackles and have a go at teams because we're absolutely sorted defensively.

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Haven't got time to look back on all those games but people often comment we have a fairly decent defensive record, probably Runner cost us a lot of those goals and bad defensive performances. We can blame Bulut for that, I'm not sure what happened there he seemed to lose the plot along with confidence in Alnwick.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

A swerve and diversion a Tory politician would be proud of that one. :hehe:

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The league doesn't lie, we are where we are and it's a huge improvement, no Mick is not coming back so calm down :hehe:

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

The last six games we've won two the same as three of the top five, and more than leeds and West Brom.

Hull are seventh?

Of the top 10 only Norwich have won more games than us in the last six winning three.

The squad is not deep enough, we started well, dropped off a lot by December /January, then improved a bit with a few additions, with a decent Striker and better attacking midfielder we will look much better.

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My reply was about how we aren't solid defensively. Your reply is waffle.

hull were either level on points with us or a point above when we played.

I will ask you in a different way. If Cardiffs defence was foundations for a house, would you build on top of it and put your missus, kids, grandkids, dogs etc in that house?

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

The league doesn't lie, we are where we are and it's a huge improvement, no Mick is not coming back so calm down :hehe:

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Aren't you north of 50 years old with grandkids? Doesn't posting like this embarrass you at all?

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Originally Posted by Dembe

Aren't you north of 50 years old with grandkids? Doesn't posting like this embarrass you at all?

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Christ and yours don't?

When you are allowed back on that is

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Originally Posted by Dembe

Aren't you north of 50 years old with grandkids? Doesn't posting like this embarrass you at all?

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Not in the slightest he thinks Bulut is bad and Mad Mick was brilliant :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Dembe

My reply was about how we aren't solid defensively. Your reply is waffle.

hull were either level on points with us or a point above when we played.

I will ask you in a different way. If Cardiffs defence was foundations for a house, would you build on top of it and put your missus, kids, grandkids, dogs etc in that house?

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Hull are seventh, you said mid-table nonsense.

Cardiff City's defensive record this season has been fairly good when you consider we stayed up last year due to points deductions, and Kaba's goals. Eric was saying it's one of the better defences in the league, but we don't score enough goals.

How can anyone build a house on a football club's record? Talk about waffle :hehe:

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Hull are seventh, you said mid-table nonsense.

Cardiff City's defensive record this season has been fairly good when you consider we stayed up last year due to points deductions, and Kaba's goals. Eric was saying it's one of the better defences in the league, but we don't score enough goals.

How can anyone build a house on a football club's record? Talk about waffle :hehe:

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Weve conceded 60 goals this season, only 7 teams have conceded more so not sure where this super solid defence or one of the better defences in the league claim has come from.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Weve conceded 60 goals this season, only 7 teams have conceded more so not sure where this super solid defence or one of the better defences in the league claim has come from.

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Yes conceded a lot in the Runner period and at the start of the season before the tighten-up, although we were scoring a lot more then too.

The post said we are safe and very solid, I didn't say defensively solid, it was more a general term, meaning that we are safe and a solid hard hard-working solid top half team :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Hull are seventh, you said mid-table nonsense.

Cardiff City's defensive record this season has been fairly good when you consider we stayed up last year due to points deductions, and Kaba's goals. Eric was saying it's one of the better defences in the league, but we don't score enough goals.

How can anyone build a house on a football club's record? Talk about waffle :hehe:

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Hull, when we played them, were either level on points or a point above us.

I am not considering the myriad of scenarios you're going to pepper us with, its a poor tactic you use to distract away from the fact you can't give a straight answer.

I suggest looking up the definition of "analogy" although I suspect you already knew what I was getting at with the comparison between a non solid foundation and our non solid defence, yet another silly tactic you employ to get around things on here.

to save you a search

analogy
/əˈnalədʒi/
noun
a comparison between one thing and another, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification.
"an analogy between the workings of nature and those of human societies"
a correspondence or partial similarity.
"the syndrome is called deep dysgraphia because of its analogy to deep dyslexia"
a thing which is comparable to something else in significant respects.
"works of art were seen as an analogy for works of nature"

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Originally Posted by Dembe

Hull, when we played them, were either level on points or a point above us.

I am not considering the myriad of scenarios you're going to pepper us with, its a poor tactic you use to distract away from the fact you can't give a straight answer.

I suggest looking up the definition of "analogy" although I suspect you already knew what I was getting at with the comparison between a non solid foundation and our non solid defence, yet another silly tactic you employ to get around things on here.

to save you a search

analogy
/əˈnalədʒi/
noun
a comparison between one thing and another, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification.
"an analogy between the workings of nature and those of human societies"
a correspondence or partial similarity.
"the syndrome is called deep dysgraphia because of its analogy to deep dyslexia"
a thing which is comparable to something else in significant respects.
"works of art were seen as an analogy for works of nature"

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That is not an analogy, you said would I build a house on Cardiff City's record? That's just utter nonsense?

Read your own cut and paste, you obviously don't know what an analogy is.

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Originally Posted by Dembe

We lost 3-1 on the weekend to a below average championship team.

Conceded 3 at home against Hull who are a mid table team just like us.

Conceded 2 against Sunderland and the Jacks, 4 against Norwich, 3 against Plymouth, 3 against Leeds, 4 in the cup 4 Sheff Weds, 2 v Plymouth in a 2-2 draw, 3 v hull away etc etc.

Seem solid as a rock at the back, fair play, time to loosen off the defensive shackles and have a go at teams because we're absolutely sorted defensively.

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You said Hull are a mid table team just like us?

No we are 11th they are 7th, one below the playoffs?

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Haven't got time to look back on all those games but people often comment we have a fairly decent defensive record, probably Runner cost us a lot of those goals and bad defensive performances. We can blame Bulut for that, I'm not sure what happened there he seemed to lose the plot along with confidence in Alnwick.

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This is just a load of stats just looking at all of this.

Runarrson - 8 conceded from 6 games (1.33 per game)
Alnwick - 33 conceded from 24 games (1.38 per game)
Hovarth - 19 conceded from 13 games (1.46 per game)

Runarrson was in goal for the Ipswich capitulation, then returned in the league from the Preston game where he conceded 5 goals in 5 games and won 2 of those 5, but all wasn't right I agree.

Assuming we'll concede 2 more goals in our last 3 games this season, it'll have been our second worst season for goals conceded in the second tier since our last relegation from this level in 1985. The worst was the 68 we conceded in 2021/22, though conceding 26 in McCarthy's 14 games (at 1.86 a game) was a big part of the reason for that. Under Morison we conceded 42 goals in 32 games that season at an average of 1.31 per game. This season's average is 1.40 per game

We've kept 12 clean sheets so far this season. As things stand, we've only managed fewer than that in this division twice since 2003.

So, by our own standards in this division over 20 years, no, it's not been a fairly decent defensive record.

While we're at it, our scoring stats make for equally dismal reading.

Since 2003 this is currently our joint 2nd lowest for goals scored in the second tier, with the measly 41 we scored last season being the worst. 3 goals will propel us to 4rd lowest but miles away from 5th.

This is looking like being our 10th most successful season at this level since 2003 with the 2nd worst defence and 4th worst attack stats. We could have either our 5th or 7th best win tally since then. We'll certainly have our 3rd worst defeat tally.

In all of that there are a few positives and negatives. It explains to a point why some fans are happy with this season and why some aren't.

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Originally Posted by Dembe

My reply was about how we aren't solid defensively. Your reply is waffle.

hull were either level on points with us or a point above when we played.

I will ask you in a different way. If Cardiffs defence was foundations for a house, would you build on top of it and put your missus, kids, grandkids, dogs etc in that house?

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No mention of defensive record

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

You said Hull are a mid table team just like us?

No we are 11th they are 7th, one below the playoffs?

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I said when we played them

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

That is not an analogy, you said would I build a house on Cardiff City's record? That's just utter nonsense?

Read your own cut and paste, you obviously don't know what an analogy is.

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As above, I said "if Cardiffs defence was foundations for a house"

Here he is ladies and gents in full swing trying his absolute best to distract and deflect :hehe:

Im off for a power hour :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Dembe

No mention of defensive record


I said when we played them



As above, I said "if Cardiffs defence was foundations for a house"

Here he is ladies and gents in full swing trying his absolute best to distract and deflect :hehe:

Im off for a power hour :thumbup:

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Back to padded cell I reckon, go and learn what an analogy is :hehe:

NCB having an absolute mare in this thread. :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

This is just a load of stats just looking at all of this.

Runarrson - 8 conceded from 6 games (1.33 per game)
Alnwick - 33 conceded from 24 games (1.38 per game)
Hovarth - 19 conceded from 13 games (1.46 per game)

Runarrson was in goal for the Ipswich capitulation, then returned in the league from the Preston game where he conceded 5 goals in 5 games and won 2 of those 5, but all wasn't right I agree.

Assuming we'll concede 2 more goals in our last 3 games this season, it'll have been our second worst season for goals conceded in the second tier since our last relegation from this level in 1985. The worst was the 68 we conceded in 2021/22, though conceding 26 in McCarthy's 14 games (at 1.86 a game) was a big part of the reason for that. Under Morison we conceded 42 goals in 32 games that season at an average of 1.31 per game. This season's average is 1.40 per game

We've kept 12 clean sheets so far this season. As things stand, we've only managed fewer than that in this division twice since 2003.

So, by our own standards in this division over 20 years, no, it's not been a fairly decent defensive record.

While we're at it, our scoring stats make for equally dismal reading.

Since 2003 this is currently our joint 2nd lowest for goals scored in the second tier, with the measly 41 we scored last season being the worst. 3 goals will propel us to 4rd lowest but miles away from 5th.

This is looking like being our 10th most successful season at this level since 2003 with the 2nd worst defence and 4th worst attack stats. We could have either our 5th or 7th best win tally since then. We'll certainly have our 3rd worst defeat tally.

In all of that there are a few positives and negatives. It explains to a point why some fans are happy with this season and why some aren't.

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Fair enough good stats work. :thumbup:

They seem a bit odd and it has been an inconsistent season, I'm surprised that Runnarson's record is better than Horvaths, especially when you consider he didn't have Phillips in front, maybe we leaked less with McGuinness than Phillips, that would be a surprise if true too?

8th best on clean sheets, and we have won a lot of games, compared to drawing.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

NCB having an absolute mare in this thread. :hehe:

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Ha ha that's so funny good one :hehe:

https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...-Mick-McCarthy

https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...hey-were-wrong

:hehe:

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Fair enough good stats work. :thumbup:

They seem a bit odd and it has been an inconsistent season, I'm surprised that Runnarson's record is better than Horvaths, especially when you consider he didn't have Phillips in front, maybe we leaked less with McGuinness than Phillips, that would be a surprise if true too?

8th best on clean sheets, and we have won a lot of games, compared to drawing.

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We've certainly won more games that were destined to be draws than we've lost, which is one of the reasons we're as high up the table as we are.

8th best this season for clean sheets yet one of our poorest in 19 seasons at this level is a bit of an eye opener which needed a little more investigating.

There have been 271 clean sheets in the Championship this season with 3 rounds of matches to go. The number of clean sheets in the last few seasons reads 333, 328, 355 and 291. It may not surprise you that in the seasons with more clean sheets, there were fewer goals scored. This season there have been 1371 goals scored in the Championship, higher than all of the previous three seasons. In 2019/20 there were 1457 goals scored and, with 36 games left, there's every chance that figure will be overtaken.

So the clean sheets stat looks ok for this season in context with this season being one of lots of goals and fewer clean sheets overall.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

We've certainly won more games that were destined to be draws than we've lost, which is one of the reasons we're as high up the table as we are.

8th best this season for clean sheets yet one of our poorest in 19 seasons at this level is a bit of an eye opener which needed a little more investigating.

There have been 271 clean sheets in the Championship this season with 3 rounds of matches to go. The number of clean sheets in the last few seasons reads 333, 328, 355 and 291. It may not surprise you that in the seasons with more clean sheets, there were fewer goals scored. This season there have been 1371 goals scored in the Championship, higher than all of the previous three seasons. In 2019/20 there were 1457 goals scored and, with 36 games left, there's every chance that figure will be overtaken.

So the clean sheets stat looks ok for this season in context with this season being one of lots of goals and fewer clean sheets overall.

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Those top four have probably affected the league, they seem a lot better than the rest and have probably a lot of goals and a fair few clean sheets?

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Those top four have probably affected the league, they seem a lot better than the rest and have probably a lot of goals and a fair few clean sheets?

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They're on target to be one of the highest scoring top 4 sides in the history of the 24 team 2nd tier. Leeds have 19 clean sheets, Ipswich 14, Leicester 13, Southampton 11.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Ha ha that's so funny good one :hehe:

https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...-Mick-McCarthy

https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...hey-were-wrong

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He's desperate here

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Originally Posted by BLUEAWAY TOO

Go or stay
Answer as a fan or put yourself in the shoes of Tan.

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Yes, we have more points than last season and have avoided being near relegation, helped by a good start to the season. At the very beginning of the season I wrote that I believed it would take Bulut four years to turn us into a team that could achieve promotion and have a chance of sustaining it.

But right now I have absolutely no reason to believe his negative style will enable us to move forward next season. His tactics are to build from the back. We are allowing teams to press us, in fact inviting teams to press us. He has raved about Goutas, McGuiness and Phillips yet we have conceded over 60 goals. As defenders they are better than that.
As I asked earlier what will be different next season? What needs to be different?
Will he change tactics? Can he change?

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Originally Posted by BLUEAWAY TOO

But right now I have absolutely no reason to believe his negative style will enable us to move forward next season. His tactics are to build from the back. We are allowing teams to press us, in fact inviting teams to press us. He has raved about Goutas, McGuiness and Phillips yet we have conceded over 60 goals. As defenders they are better than that.
As I asked earlier what will be different next season? What needs to be different?
Will he change tactics? Can he change?

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If our negative tactics had meant we'd conceded less and been harder to beat I wouldn't have had an issue, but since he implemented that we've lost more games and conceded more goals.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

If our negative tactics had meant we'd conceded less and been harder to beat I wouldn't have had an issue, but since he implemented that we've lost more games and conceded more goals.

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We've got a solid foundation to build from :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by BLUEAWAY TOO

Yes, we have more points than last season and have avoided being near relegation, helped by a good start to the season. At the very beginning of the season I wrote that I believed it would take Bulut four years to turn us into a team that could achieve promotion and have a chance of sustaining it.

But right now I have absolutely no reason to believe his negative style will enable us to move forward next season. His tactics are to build from the back. We are allowing teams to press us, in fact inviting teams to press us. He has raved about Goutas, McGuiness and Phillips yet we have conceded over 60 goals. As defenders they are better than that.
As I asked earlier what will be different next season? What needs to be different?
Will he change tactics? Can he change?

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I remember Robinsons last game before his "6 month virus" lol... hard to say that out loud to myself.

Anyways. Robinson argued with Bulut around 30minutes into the match. Bulut was pointing up in the air (its his tell tale sign he wants to play some hoofball) and Robinsion can be clearly seen pointing down to his feet.

Lets just say he was hooked early and caught a "virus". Bulut strikes me as a terrible coach.