Eurovision Tonight . MOTD on BBC2 .

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

I can see Bob's point. I reckon most people who think she's a waste of time are likely to align with the likes of Nigel Farage, British First types.

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That is a hell of a generalisation . I don't think I have met many people who are interested in what she has to say
Equally, I also don't think I have met anyone who openly supports Nigel Farage.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

Is that because, hopefully we have a little more knowledge and question things more?
That means I am not buying into everything the establishment serves us up and get disappointed when I feel someone (establishment) is trying to coerce me into believing something they want me to that probably isn't true, for their own ends.

I clapped for the NHS .
A personal situation happening at the time stopped me clapping.

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All anecdotal of course Jim, although i'd say that it's not much to do with being more critical in thinking as a person gets older. I would have thought that life experience would make a person more gentle, forgiving, caring, possessing the ability to empathise that little bit more, give people the benefit of the doubt and attempt to listen to all sides of an argument, even if that 'Argument' is way off Kilter. Just by looking at this board as a small sample there does seem to be some twisted angry old men who have 101 reasons as to why everything is shit. Thing is, they're the common denominator :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

What's political persuasion got to do with it ?
I have no time for her . Am I missing something?

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You do tend to prove my point in your reply to Tuerto.

One thing I’m less clear about as I get older is the meaning of the word “establishment” - someone like Greta Thunberg would never have been described as establishment for the first sixty or so years of my life, but in recent years it seems she’s become the epitome of it for some - what’s changed?

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

All anecdotal of course Jim, although i'd say that it's not much to do with being more critical in thinking as a person gets older. I would have thought that life experience would make a person more gentle, forgiving, caring, possessing the ability to empathise that little bit more, give people the benefit of the doubt and attempt to listen to all sides of an argument, even if that 'Argument' is way off Kilter. Just by looking at this board as a small sample there does seem to be some twisted angry old men who have 101 reasons as to why everything is shit. Thing is, they're the common denominator :thumbup:

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Because the internet has given them a voice .
I could be detrimental about them , but that would be supressing the caring, gentle, understanding and emphatic real me.
What you say is true .
But I certainly question more as well.

I find her an annoying, overzealous, entitled, unsympathetic, somewhat of a bigot, rude, naive and largely counter productive middle class hypocrite.

The most overwhelming of those criticisms is the first one. Just so annoying.

You want to win people around to green issues? People like her won't help.

But this isn't against her. The same criticism is largely levelled at most environmental campaigners who adopt similar tactics, she is just the most prominent.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

Because the internet has given them a voice .
I could be detrimental about them , but that would be supressing the caring, gentle, understanding and emphatic real me.
What you say is true .
But I certainly question more as well.

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Yeah, i question more now as well. I can still get angry and reactionary about things but i have learnt that it gets me nowhere. So i suppose i have become slightly wiser as i have aged :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

You do tend to prove my point in your reply to Tuerto.

One thing I’m less clear about as I get older is the meaning of the word “establishment” - someone like Greta Thunberg would never have been described as establishment for the first sixty or so years of my life, but in recent years it seems she’s become the epitome of it for some - what’s changed?

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It was the best I could come up with , I understand society (establishment)needs control , but its how the control is managed .

Greta is the darling of the press , until one day she wont be .She is nothing to do with our society.
The Palestinian situation is horrific , how it was started , what has happened since, its totally horrific . A young lady leading a March against another young lady who is singing for her country doesn't change any of it .And it wont .

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

It was the best I could come up with , I understand society (establishment)needs control , but its how the control is managed .

Greta is the darling of the press , until one day she wont be .She is nothing to do with our society.
The Palestinian situation is horrific , how it was started , what has happened since, its totally horrific . A young lady leading a March against another young lady who is singing for her country doesn't change any of it .And it wont .

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Yeah, I can’t argue with your last couple of sentences. I’d definitely consider going on a pro Palestine march held locally, but if Eurovision 2024 had been held in Treorchy Town Hall, I wouldn’t have got involved in any demonstration against the Israeli contestant.

WTF is this got to do with EV ? Guys get you skirts on and get non binary

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

Is that because, hopefully we have a little more knowledge and question things more?
That means I am not buying into everything the establishment serves us up and get disappointed when I feel someone (establishment) is trying to coerce me into believing something they want me to that probably isn't true, for their own ends.

I clapped for the NHS .
A personal situation happening at the time stopped me clapping.

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Your hand fell off ?

Now the EU has complained to the EBU that the EU flag wasn't allowed in the venue.
EBU rules state only participating countries' flags and the rainbow flag are allowed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw4dd9lzx02o
What a load of bollocks!

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Originally Posted by bobh

Now the EU has complained to the EBU that the EU flag wasn't allowed in the venue.
EBU rules state only participating countries' flags and the rainbow flag are allowed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw4dd9lzx02o
What a load of bollocks!

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Pretty petty. All flags are inherently political. I could understand a policy of only national flags but I saw a few of the updated rainbow flags which are far more political than an EU flag. Of course, the EU and Europe aren't the same thing at all, but can't see harm in letting them in, especially in Sweden

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Originally Posted by bobh

It's a contest to see which country can come up with the worst song.
And worst costumes (Though one singer this year has virtually no costume, flashing his dangly bits around, dirty sod)


And it is a contest with absolutely no politics involved, none whatsoever.:hide:

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Cock-rock making a come back?

Now Nemo, the dickhead who won, smashed the trophy :facepalm:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/entert...-arts-69002336

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

That is a hell of a generalisation . I don't think I have met many people who are interested in what she has to say
Equally, I also don't think I have met anyone who openly supports Nigel Farage.

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I worded that poorly, apologies. I'll reword, rethink my generalisation in more detail.

I've got friends on social media, some of whom fall into one general category. Not sure how you'd name this category, but if they were ever to share some pointless meme on Facebook, they'd be things like, not that I'm saying everyone subscribes to everything in this list:

Muslims being offended by poppies
False nonsense about our Military and Armed Forces not being appreciated
Stop the boats, ban immigration (mainly of muslims)
Support Brexit
Why can't we use Christmas and Easter, even when they aren't religious at all
How much foreign aid costs
The workshy
Bollocks to the environment
Dripford
Anything anti-Labour
Welsh friends who are Pro-British to the point of almost being anti-Welsh and dislike anything anyone in Wales does ever, that Britain is the only important country in the world
Freedom of speech (usually to allow discrimination), usually coupled with comments about people being offended by certain old fashioned types of inappropriate humour.

If anyone was going to post anti Greta Thunberg stuff, it's that sort of demographic, not that they all do, nor are those who post anti-Greta stuff do subscribe to that list. It's also possibly true that those who aren't bothered by the above list are accepting of what she and other environmentalists do. I accept that it's certainly not a case of one or the other.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

I worded that poorly, apologies. I'll reword, rethink my generalisation in more detail.

I've got friends on social media, some of whom fall into one general category. Not sure how you'd name this category, but if they were ever to share some pointless meme on Facebook, they'd be things like, not that I'm saying everyone subscribes to everything in this list:

Muslims being offended by poppies
False nonsense about our Military and Armed Forces not being appreciated
Stop the boats, ban immigration (mainly of muslims)
Support Brexit
Why can't we use Christmas and Easter, even when they aren't religious at all
How much foreign aid costs
The workshy
Bollocks to the environment
Dripford
Anything anti-Labour
Welsh friends who are Pro-British to the point of almost being anti-Welsh and dislike anything anyone in Wales does ever, that Britain is the only important country in the world
Freedom of speech (usually to allow discrimination), usually coupled with comments about people being offended by certain old fashioned types of inappropriate humour.

If anyone was going to post anti Greta Thunberg stuff, it's that sort of demographic, not that they all do, nor are those who post anti-Greta stuff do subscribe to that list. It's also possibly true that those who aren't bothered by the above list are accepting of what she and other environmentalists do. I accept that it's certainly not a case of one or the other.

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Brilliant post Eric and spot on!

You only missed out:...

Complaints about Councils and Council Workers (and how poor they are compared to the private sector)

And .. every other word interspersed with "Woke" and how everything was so much better back in the day.

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Brilliant post Eric and spot on!

You only missed out:...

Complaints about Councils and Council Workers (and how poor they are compared to the private sector)

And .. every other word interspersed with "Woke" and how everything was so much better back in the day.

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Thanks.

How could I forget those?

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

I worded that poorly, apologies. I'll reword, rethink my generalisation in more detail.

I've got friends on social media, some of whom fall into one general category. Not sure how you'd name this category, but if they were ever to share some pointless meme on Facebook, they'd be things like, not that I'm saying everyone subscribes to everything in this list:

Muslims being offended by poppies
False nonsense about our Military and Armed Forces not being appreciated
Stop the boats, ban immigration (mainly of muslims)
Support Brexit
Why can't we use Christmas and Easter, even when they aren't religious at all
How much foreign aid costs
The workshy
Bollocks to the environment
Dripford
Anything anti-Labour
Welsh friends who are Pro-British to the point of almost being anti-Welsh and dislike anything anyone in Wales does ever, that Britain is the only important country in the world
Freedom of speech (usually to allow discrimination), usually coupled with comments about people being offended by certain old fashioned types of inappropriate humour.

If anyone was going to post anti Greta Thunberg stuff, it's that sort of demographic, not that they all do, nor are those who post anti-Greta stuff do subscribe to that list. It's also possibly true that those who aren't bothered by the above list are accepting of what she and other environmentalists do. I accept that it's certainly not a case of one or the other.

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So around and around we go.
The culture wars continue and are to be blamed on those with an opposing view.

Do you acknowledge any of the concerns of those that hold a different view to you?
Do you care at least to meet a common ground with those you disagree with?

I honestly think that we are close to civil conflict in the West due to people being so unyielding in their ideologies.

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Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue

So around and around we go.
The culture wars continue and are to be blamed on those with an opposing view.

Do you acknowledge any of the concerns of those that hold a different view to you?
Do you care at least to meet a common ground with those you disagree with?

I honestly think that we are close to civil conflict in the West due to people being so unyielding in their ideologies.

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Telling that you decide to write that after Eric wrote a post which seemed pretty accurate to me, not when we had someone in the thread mocking those who showed their appreciation of NHS staff during the lockdowns four years ago.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

I worded that poorly, apologies. I'll reword, rethink my generalisation in more detail.

I've got friends on social media, some of whom fall into one general category. Not sure how you'd name this category, but if they were ever to share some pointless meme on Facebook, they'd be things like, not that I'm saying everyone subscribes to everything in this list:

Muslims being offended by poppies
False nonsense about our Military and Armed Forces not being appreciated
Stop the boats, ban immigration (mainly of muslims)
Support Brexit
Why can't we use Christmas and Easter, even when they aren't religious at all
How much foreign aid costs
The workshy
Bollocks to the environment
Dripford
Anything anti-Labour
Welsh friends who are Pro-British to the point of almost being anti-Welsh and dislike anything anyone in Wales does ever, that Britain is the only important country in the world
Freedom of speech (usually to allow discrimination), usually coupled with comments about people being offended by certain old fashioned types of inappropriate humour.

If anyone was going to post anti Greta Thunberg stuff, it's that sort of demographic, not that they all do, nor are those who post anti-Greta stuff do subscribe to that list. It's also possibly true that those who aren't bothered by the above list are accepting of what she and other environmentalists do. I accept that it's certainly not a case of one or the other.

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You can't say Happy Christmas these days !

If you say you are British these days they throw you in jail !

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Telling that you decide to write that after Eric wrote a post which seemed pretty accurate to me, not when we had someone in the thread mocking those who showed their appreciation of NHS staff during the lockdowns four years ago.

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Sorry, on second thoughts that reply was not called for.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Telling that you decide to write that after Eric wrote a post which seemed pretty accurate to me, not when we had someone in the thread mocking those who showed their appreciation of NHS staff during the lockdowns four years ago.

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Looks like you’re yet again using my reply to suit your agenda. Nobody was mocking it , it was merely pointed out that it was a government propaganda exercise . It was also pointed out that If they really cared about the NHS then we wouldn’t have waiting lists of 6/7 million , huge delays in operating times and strike action for pay most definitely deserve.Hope that helps.
If you think differently then that’s also your prerogative but not everyone thinks like you.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

I worded that poorly, apologies. I'll reword, rethink my generalisation in more detail.

I've got friends on social media, some of whom fall into one general category. Not sure how you'd name this category, but if they were ever to share some pointless meme on Facebook, they'd be things like, not that I'm saying everyone subscribes to everything in this list:

Muslims being offended by poppies
False nonsense about our Military and Armed Forces not being appreciated
Stop the boats, ban immigration (mainly of muslims)
Support Brexit
Why can't we use Christmas and Easter, even when they aren't religious at all
How much foreign aid costs
The workshy
Bollocks to the environment
Dripford
Anything anti-Labour
Welsh friends who are Pro-British to the point of almost being anti-Welsh and dislike anything anyone in Wales does ever, that Britain is the only important country in the world
Freedom of speech (usually to allow discrimination), usually coupled with comments about people being offended by certain old fashioned types of inappropriate humour.

If anyone was going to post anti Greta Thunberg stuff, it's that sort of demographic, not that they all do, nor are those who post anti-Greta stuff do subscribe to that list. It's also possibly true that those who aren't bothered by the above list are accepting of what she and other environmentalists do. I accept that it's certainly not a case of one or the other.

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https://x.com/TRobinsonNewEra/status...27678524870807

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Nobody was mocking it , it was merely pointed out that it was a government propaganda exercise .

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It wasn’t. Hope that helps.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

It wasn’t. Hope that helps.

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Precious, I and millions of others think it was , mainly for the reasons outlined, hope that helps once again.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Precious, I and millions of others think it was , mainly for the reasons outlined, hope that helps once again.

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No amount of ‘critical thinking’ by you or the rest of the tinfoil hatters can alter the fact that banging pots and pans in appreciation of the health workers during 2020 was not ‘government propaganda’. It was a public initiative. Simple as that.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

No amount of ‘critical thinking’ by you or the rest of the tinfoil hatters can alter the fact that banging pots and pans in appreciation of the health workers during 2020 was not ‘government propaganda’. It was a public initiative. Simple as that.

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I think if you don’t get it by now , which you don’t , you never will.
https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/decem...hs-propaganda/

Even if the clapping was spontaneously done, it was frowned upon if any neighbour decided not to do it, even if that was their choice ( you know what people in a democratic society are entitled to do)

The NHS was used as a propaganda machine, and in some respects always has been, so I’m not sure where you can’t join up the dots.

Hope that helps you once again precious, and I’m assuming you’re still clapping every Thursday, this time for better pay and conditions etc etc

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

I think if you don’t get it by now , which you don’t , you never will.
https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/decem...hs-propaganda/

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Yet another Conservative magazine looking for a different angle. They say you're never more than 6 feet away from a rat in London - you're never more than 6 clicks away from a contrary right wing opinion piece.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Yet another Conservative magazine looking for a different angle. They say you're never more than 6 feet away from a rat in London - you're never more than 6 clicks away from a contrary right wing opinion piece.

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Happy to help, but the writer is entitled to his opinion , besides, I’m not sure what the Conservative Party has to do with this as Wales Labour runs ours , which is in fine fettle.

How about this piece by a leading cancer specialist
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...in-propaganda/

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Happy to help, but the writer is entitled to his opinion , besides, I’m not sure what the Conservative Party has to do with this as Wales Labour runs ours , which is in fine fettle.

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Of course. But the entire point of all these right wing opinion "magazines" is to obfuscate.

BTW, I didn't realise that clapping the NHS was devolved - Labour's fault in Wales. That's a belter, fair play.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Of course. But the entire point of all these right wing opinion "magazines" is to obfuscate.

BTW, I didn't realise that clapping the NHS was devolved - Labour's fault in Wales. That's a belter, fair play.

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You knew exactly what I meant , but good try bro.

Now , if you could stay on track with the post , rather than go off onto something unrelated that would be great.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

You knew exactly what I meant , but good try bro.

Now , if you could stay on track with the post , rather than go off onto something unrelated that would be great.

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I did. You were talking about propaganda and provided a link. I was commenting on the source of your opinion. I think that's staying on track.

You went off talking about Labour and the NHS in Wales. Not sure how that was related to my comment on your opinion source.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

I think if you don’t get it by now , which you don’t , you never will.

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You have my sympathy, genuinely. It must be difficult to live in such a constant state of fear.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

You have my sympathy, genuinely. It must be difficult to live in such a constant state of fear.

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That’s a whoosh from me precious.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

That’s a whoosh from me precious.

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No surprise there.

I get the feeling that this thread has gone WAAYYYY off-topic.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Telling that you decide to write that after Eric wrote a post which seemed pretty accurate to me, not when we had someone in the thread mocking those who showed their appreciation of NHS staff during the lockdowns four years ago.

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How is that telling?
I’ve just had a gutsfull of the culture wars stuff that is incredibly divisive and I’m trying to point out that it takes two to tango.

I was proud to see my father in the uk doing the pots and pans thing and thought it very touching.
No idea how you find that telling.

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Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue

How is that telling?
I’ve just had a gutsfull of the culture wars stuff that is incredibly divisive and I’m trying to point out that it takes two to tango.

I was proud to see my father in the uk doing the pots and pans thing and thought it very touching.
No idea how you find that telling.

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Did you see that I apologised ten minutes or so later and said my post had been uncalled for?

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Did you see that I apologised ten minutes or so later and said my post had been uncalled for?

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I did not see it sorry Bob.
I appreciate it!

F**king

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

bro.

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tells you everything!