Re: Petition to get rid of starmer and his cronies
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Eric Cartman
What would the right pay rise have been in % terms?
So you are predicting a recession next quarter, next year? I would just like to set a line in the sand so we can revisit it later.
Numbers? All conjecture until it actually happens. Country can't afford to subsidise people who chose to send their kids to private school anymore. I used to play cricket at a local private primary school, they had a swimming pool, state of the art sports facilities and more land than every local secondary combined. Why should the taxpayer subsidise that through tax breaks at the expensive of their own children's education?
Growth at the expense of millions of working families doesn't benefit the country.
Why wait 4 years, maybe look at the last 4 years. How did the conservatives led UK compare to democrat led US during that time period?
Nowhere near as high as they were, a few percent.
No growth or the 0.01% type probably not a recession unless they get even worse.
Any numbers would cause a problem, schools are struggling enough.
It was proportionately better, but they had Brexit & Covid fallout to deal with, that's all done now so it should be growth, growth growth.
The conservatives were pretty crap too, but will look a lot better in four years.
How do you think Drakeford has done in Wales?
Re: Petition to get rid of starmer and his cronies
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
Nowhere near as high as they were, a few percent.
No growth or the 0.01% type probably not a recession unless they get even worse.
Any numbers would cause a problem, schools are struggling enough.
It was proportionately better, but they had Brexit & Covid fallout to deal with, that's all done now so it should be growth, growth growth.
The conservatives were pretty crap too, but will look a lot better in four years.
How do you think Drakeford has done in Wales?
It's like us losing Slade after all the crap he had to deal with and getting change in Trollope for five years, imagine the mess he would have made, that's our future.
Re: Petition to get rid of starmer and his cronies
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North Cardiff Blue
It's like us losing Slade after all the crap he had to deal with and getting change in Trollope for five years, imagine the mess he would have made, that's our future.
surely Liz Truss is the best fit for Trollope in this?
Re: Petition to get rid of starmer and his cronies
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Rjk
surely Liz Truss is the best fit for Trollope in this?
hhhmmmm you could have a point :xmashehe:
Re: Petition to get rid of starmer and his cronies
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
Nowhere near as high as they were, a few percent.
No growth or the 0.01% type probably not a recession unless they get even worse.
Any numbers would cause a problem, schools are struggling enough.
It was proportionately better, but they had Brexit & Covid fallout to deal with, that's all done now so it should be growth, growth growth.
The conservatives were pretty crap too, but will look a lot better in four years.
How do you think Drakeford has done in Wales?
Follow up question if I may.. what kind of pay-rise should they have got when inflation was a) 10% and b)1%. My point is pretty basic, if all public sector employees are only ever entitled to below inflationary pay rises then eventually they will only be able to buy a mars bar with their monthly wage (or more realistically teachers, nurses, police, fire, social workers etc. will all be earning minimum wage). That doesn't sound like a functioning society to me. Wage compression is real in the public sector, there is essentially a cap on pay at the top, and a rising minimum wage, this means people doing really quite basic jobs earn only a little bit less than people taking on significant responsibility, this is a disaster for retention and means the viability of the organisation basically relies on goodwill.
On growth, I'll take over 0.01% and we can revisit it in a year.
On schools, if adding any number of pupils to the state system will break it then it is a surprise it isn't broken after recent migration, I'd imagine that number dwarfs the number of kids that will move from private->state this year.
Maybe take a look at the national debt/interest payments if you think the effects of COVID on the UK economy are over, they are an anchor.
I'll be honest, I don't really follow Welsh politics as I don't live in Wales, so I don't really have much to offer when it comes to that.
Re: Petition to get rid of starmer and his cronies
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
Follow up question if I may.. what kind of pay-rise should they have got when inflation was a) 10% and b)1%. My point is pretty basic, if all public sector employees are only ever entitled to below inflationary pay rises then eventually they will only be able to buy a mars bar with their monthly wage (or more realistically teachers, nurses, police, fire, social workers etc. will all be earning minimum wage). That doesn't sound like a functioning society to me. Wage compression is real in the public sector, there is essentially a cap on pay at the top, and a rising minimum wage, this means people doing really quite basic jobs earn only a little bit less than people taking on significant responsibility, this is a disaster for retention and means the viability of the organisation basically relies on goodwill.
On growth, I'll take over 0.01% and we can revisit it in a year.
On schools, if adding any number of pupils to the state system will break it then it is a surprise it isn't broken after recent migration, I'd imagine that number dwarfs the number of kids that will move from private->state this year.
Maybe take a look at the national debt/interest payments if you think the effects of COVID on the UK economy are over, they are an anchor.
I'll be honest, I don't really follow Welsh politics as I don't live in Wales, so I don't really have much to offer when it comes to that.
Wales is in a right mess, if you think England is bad, it is miles worse here, but we are one of the slowest nations in the World and that saved one hedgehog's life last year, so it's not all bad :xmasthumbup:
Re: Petition to get rid of starmer and his cronies
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North Cardiff Blue
Wales is in a right mess, if you think England is bad, it is miles worse here, but we are one of the slowest nations in the World and that saved one hedgehog's life last year, so it's not all bad :xmasthumbup:
Give it a rest.:xmashomer:
Re: Petition to get rid of starmer and his cronies
Wales does worse than England on pretty much every metric going doesnt it?
Nothing to be proud of. We should accept it and change it.
Re: Petition to get rid of starmer and his cronies
I see there is a new petition online now to object to the London mayor, getting a knighthood !!!!!!
Re: Petition to get rid of starmer and his cronies
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Heathblue
I see there is a new petition online now to object to the London mayor, getting a knighthood !!!!!!
There have been FAR less deserving knighthoods in recent years.
Re: Petition to get rid of starmer and his cronies
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JamesWales
Wales does worse than England on pretty much every metric going doesnt it?
Nothing to be proud of. We should accept it and change it.
Explain how right wing politics is going to help Wales.
