Elon Musk calling out labour

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Yeah, stop labelling people mad, fruitloop, fascists etc just for having a different opinion.

It's utterly ridiculous and totally devalues the word and you can't accuse others of spreading division when you are on forums calling people extremely dangerous, fruitloops, using language about firing weapons, arguing with others who are wishing people dead or making comparisons with Adolf Hitler.

It's absurd and yes, give it a rest. Theres a sensible debate to be had about Elon Musk and his interventions but listening to you and others talk about Trump is no different to listening to others talk about George Soros. It's all ridiculously over the top.

Yes he's powerful, yes he has some strong opinions, yes he's a disruptor. That doesn't make him a fascist or a fruitloop or extremely dangerous. You are entitled to an opinion, as he is, but I think you are being hysterical.

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Sir, sir I’m not a fascist, I’m just a Yaxley-Lennon fan boy.

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Originally Posted by ninian opinian

Sir, sir I’m not a fascist, I’m just a Yaxley-Lennon fan boy.

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I suppose you can take a horse to water, but you can't make it drink!

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I suppose you can take a horse to water, but you can't make it drink!

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Is that you, Gofer?

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Yeah, stop labelling people mad, fruitloop, fascists etc just for having a different opinion.

It's utterly ridiculous and totally devalues the word and you can't accuse others of spreading division when you are on forums calling people extremely dangerous, fruitloops, using language about firing weapons, arguing with others who are wishing people dead or making comparisons with Adolf Hitler.

It's absurd and yes, give it a rest. Theres a sensible debate to be had about Elon Musk and his interventions but listening to you and others talk about Trump is no different to listening to others talk about George Soros. It's all ridiculously over the top.

Yes he's powerful, yes he has some strong opinions, yes he's a disruptor. That doesn't make him a fascist or a fruitloop or extremely dangerous. You are entitled to an opinion, as he is, but I think you are being hysterical.

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Who was making comparisons with Adolph Hitler?

I compared Musk to Lord Rothermere in the 1930s.

I also said I don’t think Musk is a fascist - but is probably a fascist enabler. There is a big difference.

But when you are triggered…. all you see are words.

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Originally Posted by ninian opinian

Sir, sir I’m not a fascist, I’m just a Yaxley-Lennon fan boy.

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like many on here i am a fascist but i fail to see where Tommy Robinson has argued for total state control, so yes he must be opposed at every opportunity

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Who was making comparisons with Adolph Hitler?

I compared Musk to Lord Rothermere in the 1930s.

I also said I don’t think Musk is a fascist - but is probably a fascist enabler. There is a big difference.

But when you are triggered…. all you see are words.

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In a conversation about a topic in which Elon Musk makes some pretty controversial and disagreeable comments about a topic that he nonetheless probably has a bit of a point on (or maybe there should be another inquiry?) , the default response is that...

..oh he's just like Lord Rothermere supporting Adolf Hitler..who happens to be one of the greatest mass murderers in history. Its just such a ludicrous overaction. Bettered on this occasion by Alun saying he should be six feet under (which of course there is silence on, as that's fine!).

It's just absurd. And again, if there was a genuine concern about foreign wealth influencing of British politics for example it would far more consistently be raised - not least (for example) when Soros did contribute to campaigns to reverse the referendum. He's entitled to fund that if he wants. He isn't a communist bent on global destruction, but listening to some of you lot talk about Musk sounds exactly how some people talk about him.

Some of you sound pretty close to a bunch of cranks

I'm not just saying this to you, but people can say things you disagree with without making these absurd references to fascism, Hitler, the 1930s and the like all the time. It's weird as much as anything and aside from anything else totally reminds me of the boy who cried wolf!

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Yeah, stop labelling people mad, fruitloop, fascists etc just for having a different opinion.

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There's one thing having an opinion. There's quite another having an opinion which is either bollocks, based on lies or mistruths, based on total ignorance of the facts, or defies humanity.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

There's one thing having an opinion. There's quite another having an opinion which is either bollocks, based on lies or mistruths, based on total ignorance of the facts, or defies humanity.

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Some of what he said was probably untrue. I agree. It doesn't make him a fascist. Some of it was certainly ignorant. Again, not a fascist.

Now I do think as a country we haven't got to the bottom of this scandal but I do particularly disagree with him calling out Jess Phillips and Keir Starmer personally.

But that happens ALL the time on twitter. Is everyone that personally called out Boris Johnson, Priti Patel, Braverman,Trump and anyone else on the right, a fascist or communist or extremist? People who said Boris wanted people to die, or that said they wished he would die? We had John McDonnell talk about stringing up politicians FFS. What does that make him?

They aren't all fascists, communists, Nazis, racists, extremists all the time. They are probably rude, they are possibly ignorant or ill informed but that doesn't mean they can just be labelled a fascist or imply that they are trying to create the next Hitler.

It's ****ing insane.

Id mind less if there was the remotest bit of consistency on this, but there never is.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Who was making comparisons with Adolph Hitler?

I compared Musk to Lord Rothermere in the 1930s.

I also said I don’t think Musk is a fascist - but is probably a fascist enabler. There is a big difference.

But when you are triggered…. all you see are words.

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if musk is a fascist enabler , what do you mean by fascism ? total control, like blackrock soros and gates, its ok when we do it?

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Originally Posted by + the native hipster

if musk is a fascist enabler , what do you mean by fascism ? total control, like blackrock soros and gates, its ok when we do it?

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This definition will do for me:

'a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition.'

Although I also agree with Trotsky's definition (not incompatible with the one above) which places fascism in the context of crises in the world capitalist system. The 1920s/1930s were in many ways different from the 2020s - but there are also similarities and threads from that time.

I don't want any mega rich tech barons (or other mega rich people with power and influence) to shape our politics or society - and I certainly don't want Blackrock pulling strings and putting politicians on its payroll. Watching Starmer fawning over them was sickening.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

This definition will do for me:

'a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition.'

Although I also agree with Trotsky's definition (not incompatible with the one above) which places fascism in the context of crises in the world capitalist system. The 1920s/1930s were in many ways different from the 2020s - but there are also similarities and threads from that time.

I don't want any mega rich tech barons (or other mega rich people with power and influence) to shape our politics or society - and I certainly don't want Blackrock pulling strings and putting politicians on its payroll. Watching Starmer fawning over them was sickening.

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an awful a lot of that does read a wee bit like the welsh senate , and fair play to gething he took more money than stamer

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Originally Posted by jon1959

This definition will do for me:

'a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition.'

Although I also agree with Trotsky's definition (not incompatible with the one above) which places fascism in the context of crises in the world capitalist system. The 1920s/1930s were in many ways different from the 2020s - but there are also similarities and threads from that time.

I don't want any mega rich tech barons (or other mega rich people with power and influence) to shape our politics or society - and I certainly don't want Blackrock pulling strings and putting politicians on its payroll. Watching Starmer fawning over them was sickening.

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I think that’s a fair definition in my opinion.
It’s very similar to authoritarian communist regimes without the racial aspect.
Obviously people of religion were subjugated rather than their race.

Fascism, Communism, Nazism and now Islamism were/are pretty cool with eradicating human beings that didn’t fit their ideals…all for the greater good of course a couple of these ism’s actually offered the option to change and yield.

It’s good to see you acknowledge Blackrock as I think that only a few of the “Far Right Loons” have done so previously.

I don’t know if I’m left or right anymore.
Probably somewhat centralist with left leanings towards Nationalized Utilities, Fair Pay, Equal Rights for all.
But my head ruling my heart, it’s quite obvious to me that lunatics have taken over the asylum…intentionally placed there after years of Postmodernism playing a slow game, where the proles have been replaced by intersectionality to invoke A Brave New World.

In addition let’s address what’s in the news.

Islamic Rape Gangs who believed that it was ok to prey on non Muslim girls because they were Kafir.
You can use Whataboutism when it suits you and call out the likes of Tommy Robinson/Yaxley Lennon all you like…but the Elephant in the Room is too big and the door for it to exit is too small.

How about a bit of ****ing honesty rather than mental gymnastics as to how facts may play into one’s political leanings.

Elon’s latest string of tweets are a little bit naughty.

"America should liberate the people of Britain from their tyrannical government." With an attached Yes/No poll.

Over half a million people have responded and over 70% voted for "Yes".

Following it up with:

"He should be jailed ASAP." With a picture of Starmer.

"It would be nice if we could get the British, Canadians, New Zealanders, & Aussies to adopt our Bill of Rights. The first two amendments alone would work wonders."

The Second Amendment being:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Not sure I’m very keen on one of the most powerful people in the American government, the next president’s unelected right hand man (let’s be honest, it’s not Vance is it), advocating for an invasion and the overthrowing of our democratically elected government. Whilst additionally promoting the armed insurrection of several nations as a positive thing.

That poll by the way has only been up for a few hours and is due to run for 24 hours in total. By tomorrow morning it’s likely several million people will have agreed with Musk that an American invasion of the UK is a good idea.

That’s the difference between random nobodies on Twitter and Elon Musk calling people fascists/communists/pedos/racists/etc

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Originally Posted by Canton Kev

Elon’s latest string of tweets are a little bit naughty.

"America should liberate the people of Britain from their tyrannical government." With an attached Yes/No poll.

Over half a million people have responded and over 70% voted for "Yes".

Following it up with:

"He should be jailed ASAP." With a picture of Starmer.

"It would be nice if we could get the British, Canadians, New Zealanders, & Aussies to adopt our Bill of Rights. The first two amendments alone would work wonders."

The Second Amendment being:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Not sure I’m very keen on one of the most powerful people in the American government, the next president’s unelected right hand man (let’s be honest, it’s not Vance is it), advocating for an invasion and the overthrowing of our democratically elected government. Whilst additionally promoting the armed insurrection of several nations as a positive thing.

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He's the world's richest man, owner of one of the biggest social media networks, offered $1m to swing state voters if they "fulfilled contractual obligations to serve as a spokesperson" for his PAC i.e for Trump (as per his attorney in court), publicly backed the far right in Germany, and has made over 20 posts calling for the king to dissolve our parliament.

I'm sure I've missed some other things from the past 48 hours.

Once upon a time, this would be a dystopian movie plot. Now we've got people who are essentially fine with it, with the most feeble of caveats.

You know things are getting serious when the Russia collusion hoaxers show up :hehe:

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Some of what he said was probably untrue. I agree.

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Edited out the stuff that had nothing to do with my post. :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

You know things are getting serious when the Russia collusion hoaxers show up :hehe:

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The original instigator of this hoax was awarded the medal of freedom, I think she will have a surprise shortly 😄😄😄😄

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Originally Posted by Heathblue

The original instigator of this hoax was awarded the medal of freedom, I think she will have a surprise shortly 😄😄😄😄

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Let's go Brandon!

does anyone else think that Musk is just going through the world's biggest mid-life crisis? or possibly having some other sort of public breakdown?

https://www.facebook.com/story.php?s...00053733672883

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Originally Posted by stevo

https://www.facebook.com/story.php?s...00053733672883

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Bravo!!!

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Originally Posted by ninian opinian

Bravo!!!

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I thought you objected to rich foreign billionaires intervening in British politics?!

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Originally Posted by Rjk

does anyone else think that Musk is just going through the world's biggest mid-life crisis? or possibly having some other sort of public breakdown?

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I pondered this, as his tone has most definitely changed in recent months.

He's long been "anti-woke", which I think is great and refreshing and it feels like a era that is coming to an end thankfully. But I'm not sure he has been as aggressive or personal or clearly anti-left wing?

I'm also curious as to who is posting as the posts span the timezones a bit and seem to be pretty constant.

Anyway, all this has raised this topic to the top of the public discourse which is good, so clearly his words matter.

Maybe someone should tell him about Vincent Tan and our rebrand?

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Originally Posted by stevo

https://www.facebook.com/story.php?s...00053733672883

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:xmasthumbup:

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I thought you objected to rich foreign billionaires intervening in British politics?!

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Uh?

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Originally Posted by stevo

https://www.facebook.com/story.php?s...00053733672883

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That's a very good read, I also think this is

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...sk-women-girls

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

That's a very good read, I also think this is

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...sk-women-girls

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That's a great read. Thank you. :thumbup:

https://youtu.be/AKUkIofmovI?si=KIXPlLQfWWRhdzrk

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

That's a very good read, I also think this is

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...sk-women-girls

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I enjoyed reading that. Marina Hyde does seem to have the ability to stray from the editorial line a little more than most. It is annoying she has to dance about at the start before some key points at the end.

I had forgotten about that attack ad on Sunak about him not wanting child abusers locked up etc.

I think the whole dialogue on all this is going to change in the next year or two and a lot more will come out and a lot of conversations kicked down the road will start to be aired.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

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Q…….ue?

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

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Just checked this isn't a legit Q Drop🤣

Apparently Greenland is home to the largest pool of natural minerals in the world to make things like batteries, lo and behold Trump fancies taking it….could this be for his battery mad buddy? Hhhmmmmmmmmmmmm

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Originally Posted by goats

Apparently Greenland is home to the largest pool of natural minerals in the world to make things like batteries, lo and behold Trump fancies taking it….could this be for his battery mad buddy? Hhhmmmmmmmmmmmm

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I have taken this with a pinch of salt, its almost as if he's deliberately winding his opposition up, but just maybe !!!
He's going to go big with oil and his mates cars might suffer due to this, however, if they do have the vast qty's of the minerals and Teslas could be made say 50% cheaper then who knows!!!!.

The other explanation I've read is that the US would like to do more trade with Greenland but Greenland generally falls into alignment with Denmark subsequently abiding by EU rules, Trump is trying to get the people of Denmark to break the autonomy with Denmark so that they can trade without EU legislations.

I wonder if Musk was part of the Q team ? :xmassherlock:
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Originally Posted by Heathblue

I have taken this with a pinch of salt, its almost as if he's deliberately winding his opposition up, but just maybe !!!
He's going to go big with oil and his mates cars might suffer due to this, however, if they do have the vast qty's of the minerals and Teslas could be made say 50% cheaper then who knows!!!!.

The other explanation I've read is that the US would like to do more trade with Greenland but Greenland generally falls into alignment with Denmark subsequently abiding by EU rules, Trump is trying to get the people of Denmark to break the autonomy with Denmark so that they can trade without EU legislations.

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the minerals reason might make sense if there's enough of it there, the trade one is bollocks, Greenland has a population of 50odd thousand, it would be like the USA being desperate to do more trade with Merthyr Tydfil.

the security thing makes some sense as it would give them control over the north Atlantic, but do we really expect anyone to try to attack them from there?

if it is all just bluster or a wind-up it's extremely irresponsible.

if the Chinese decide to go and take back Taiwan, or if Russia fancies chipping away at another eastern European country then the USA will have lost all credibility in criticising those things

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Anyway, all this has raised this topic to the top of the public discourse which is good, so clearly his words matter

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Any thoughts on his multiple recent tweets about the king dissolving the government, America invading and “liberating” us and promoting armed insurrections in several of the USA’s closest allies as a good thing?

Tweets that have been seen and received positively by millions of people.