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Originally Posted by MOZZER2
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No surprise Robbo is out of the Irish squad...has Salech been called up?Quote:
Originally Posted by MOZZER2
Cant get my head round Rubins omission. Is he the player Bellers 'bullied' when at Cardiff? It makes no sense to pick Sheehan and Crew and not Rubin.
https://www.skysports.com/football/n...-investigation
A few things to say first. Craig Bellamy knows more about football than I ever will, he’s galvanised the Welsh international team and they are playing winning and entertaining football. Bellamy has a passion and knowledge of the game which shines through when he appears in the media - I could listen to him for hours.
All that said, he sounded as weak as I’ve heard him when he tried to justify excluding Rubin Colwill from the squad for the upcoming games. Again, in the interests of fairness, I must say that Ive had no particular problem with Rubin being omitted by Bellamy from previous squads - he had a poor 24/25 and it was a poor reflection on him that he often became a sub used late, almost as an afterthought by Omer Riza, as the season went on - you can moan at Riza for this, but Rubin was not doing much to demand selection todo this.
However, this season Rubin is a player transformed. For me, the main difference is physical as he’s using his height and strength more effectively, even when heading the ball, but also his stamina seems improved to the extent that he’s able to put in multiple sprints when leading our press. On the mental side, the captaincy seems to have brought something out in him and he looks like a captain out there (something I can’t imagine me saying before this season). Colwill’s physical and mental improvements have not reduced his technical capabilities, in fact they appeared sharper and better honed, maybe because he’s concentrating more on- comparing the Rubin Colwill of 25/26 with one of 24/25 is like comparing chalk and cheese.
Of course, all of this is being done in a lower division, so allowances need to be made for that. However, Bellamy was happy to pick four other players currently at League One clubs - Kpakio, Lawlor, Sheehan and Crew. I’m not knocking Kpakio and Lawlor here, they’re great prospects and are surely going to win plenty of caps during their careers, but both have suffered ups and downs of the sort you’d expect from teenagers making their way in the senior game - Kpakio had his defensive problems on Saturday, while Lawlor has had issues coping with the physicality of the men’s game. Away from City, Crew has sometimes been a sub for Doncaster, while Sheehan has more often than not been a sub for Bolton. Therefore , when Bellamy talks of wanting more consistency from Colwill, it seems to me that he’s providing more often that quality than any of four League One players he’s selected.
Three of the four from League One are teenagers and, as with Coventry’s Kai Andrews, it seems that different criteria are being applied here. It would be good to know precisely why Bellamy still doesn’t rate Colwill’s that highly when he is clearly a more mature player who is in his best spell of form possibly ever instead of the vague generalizations we got from him today because, for now, it’s hard not to believe that he just doesn’t rate Rubin no matter how much he tries to improve perceived weaknesses in his game.
Agree with you Moz.Quote:
Originally Posted by MOZZER2
It appears to me he just doesn't fancy or trust Colwill but that is pure conjecture.
Did Colwill play under Bellamy when both at City? I've always assumed he had?
I honestly think it's more positional - if crew or shehan played in the same role as rubin then I don't think they'd be anywhere near the side.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
If Colwill had had a run of games as a deep central midfielder then he'd probably be going at the expense of one of the others (crew?)
But as it stands he's probably looking to play 2 central midfielders and we are really thin on the ground with Ampadu's absence.
We are left with Jordan James, Josh Sheehan, Kai Andrews and Charlie Crew who are playing there for their clubs.
Beyond them it's Joel Colwill, Charlie Savage etc, maybe Mafico or King before long
From memory i think the young lad involved was from EnglandQuote:
Originally Posted by BlueArmy 86
Yes, his name was Alfie I believe and I think we got him from West Ham, think his old man was a former pro.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
If that’s the case, Bellamy should have said so. You say they’re playing there for their clubs (I thought Andrews was a more attacking player?), but none of them are starting many.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Look at players like Dylan Levitt and Matt Smith, both given far more chances than Rubin, yet nowhere near the Welsh squad in their mid 20s - Rubin, a year younger than Levitt and two younger than Smith is proving a lot more durable than those two.
Bellamy knows far more about the game than I ever will and he has done an amazing job for Wales, however he’s vague rambling about RC was bollocks, no other way to describe it
He obviously doesn’t rate RC, and that’s his opinion and unfortunately for Rubin that’s the only one that counts
I hope Rubin carries on as he’s started this season and shows Bellamy what he’s capable of and what he’s missing out on
I think that Colwill should be in the squad, and i think it's as simple as Bellamy not fancying him for whatever reason. Colwill is a very unique player in every respect, the way he plays, his height, shape, the way he moves with the ball, the way he passes the ball, even down to his posture, you wont find many like him, and all of this means (in my opinion) that a team needs to set up towards his strengths in order to get the best out of him. The evidence is already there for us to see, under previous managers there was never really a playing style that suited Colwill, and that's one reason why he was in and out for the best part of two years or more. The line up and style of play has to lean towards his abilities, otherwise he can struggle, as we've seen before. I'm going to make a crazy analogy here; Matt Le Tissier couldn't find a home in the National side, and Glenn Hoddle never really prospered. I'm not comparing Colwill to either, that would be crazy, but what those two and Colwill have in common is a very unique playing style, a style that needs to be accommodated, and in my opinion i don't think that Bellamy is prepared to do that.
More conventional players are easier to work with, as are those with the size, shape and movement of your ordinary to good attacking midfield player, it's easier to get the message over to them, especially if a coach wants them to play in different ways during a game, because of their style, shape and ability, they adapt better. That doesn't mean that they're better players, just easier to work with on a one off basis like international football. Obviously these are just my thoughts, it could all be bollocks, but i do believe that Colwill can consider himself very unlucky and that Bellamy (like so many coaches before him) just doesn't know what to do with Colwill.
For Analogy, read Comparison...
I think it’s as simple as that and it will obviously take a good bit more than a handful of decent performances against relatively poor League One and Two opposition for Bellamy to change his mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
That’s fair enough as far as I’m concerned. Bellamy’s getting results and he’s doing things his way. I’m sure Colwill will get a chance in due course if he continues to work hard and provided he retains his current form.
Chris Mepham signs for West Brom
It must be personal. It can’t be justified.
The season Bellamy's team won the league he gave Colwill 12 starts and subbed him in 10 of them. As a comparison he gave Harry Pinchard (now at Gloucester) 16 startsQuote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
As Colwill started breaking into the first team here Bellamy was saying he always knew how good he was but couldn't play him more because of fitness issues caused by his growth spurts.
I wasn't convinced by this, I never felt he was playing any more or less than he deserved or than Bellamy wanted. He was massive compared to the other lads but never used his size to any advantage and the skill he had tended to be negated by his lack of pace, he'd need to beat the same defender three times in one dribble. He was different to the other players and enjoyable to watch but I never felt he was a key part of the squad and I don't think Bellamy did either.
Wasn't Colwill the year below the likes of Bowen & Spence who made up the core of Bellamy's team?Quote:
Originally Posted by Loramski
Interesting to see where that team has ended up, there was plenty of hype around them
Cheers for this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loramski
That's interesting as it suggests that Bellamy just either doesn't see RC fitting into one of his teams or doesn't just fancy him as a player?
Let's be fair, if true he's not alone there as to me it appears Riza and Bulut didn't fancy him either.
I wonder if the club has ever received a concrete bid of any sort for Colwill? I suspect there are a few managers who have looked at him, admired his natural ability, but passed on the grounds they couldn’t see him fitting into their preferred systems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
Sheehan and Crew can play as a DM, and Wales are short of DM's. Also Crew is seen as prospect for the future, so Bellamy wants him in the squad to gain experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueArmy 86
Another interesting point.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
I wonder about RC and where he could play in an environment where now most coaches have systems and philosophy about how they want to play?
RC appears to me to be a luxury player who you may build a team around to enable him to have space to get 'on the ball'. Problem there is you don't really see that these days and whether RC could ever be good enough to justify that is debatable.
I have wondered if RC was not taking on advice or instruction by coaches as consecutive City coaches didn't appear to rate him, granted they were Bulut and Riza?
Before anyone points out how well he's done this season, I know. Perhaps BBM has got the system for RC or he's working harder at his game?
Although there's always noise around RC in transfer windows I've never heard of any concrete offers for him or even continued interest?
I dread the response on here when Rubin has a bad game this season, seems some people are missing having a moan about him lately so they're inventing hypothetical reasons to criticise him now :hehe:
Bulut and riza know nothing about football, hence why we are in league 1. I’m a huge Bellamy fan. I wanted him as city boss on various occasions. I was more than happy to have him as wales boss. But not picking Rubin for this squad is not justifiable given the incredibly limited options we have for a squad, and this afternoon Bellamy did not justify it. He won’t pick him - does not fancy him or issue with him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
we have players doing well at a higher level in Rubin's position, we don't have anyone at a higher level in central midfield.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Worcester
it's as simple as that
Why do you have to post such nonsense? People are reacting to Bellamy not including Colwill in the Wales squad, and i think that nearly everyone in this thread disagrees with Bellamy, so we-they are trying to work out Bellamy's reasoning behind his decision. Nobody is being critical, this is a good thread, with some good theories.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Bowen on the bench, mainly as an unused sub, for Solihull Moors of the National League who havenÂ’t won a game this season. He was playing well for them last year but change of manager who doesnÂ’t really fancy him. Dont think the manager will be there much longer mind they finished the season badly and started the new season even worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
When he broke into the team under Mick, along with several others, Bellamy did an interview on the youngsters and he said of Bowen something along the lines of him operating on a high football level in how he reads the game and how he could go and train with Liverpool and he wouldnÂ’t look out of place.
LetÂ’s hope the likes of Kpakio and Lawler donÂ’t suffer the same fall after getting such high praise from Bellamy.
I saw Bowen play twice, and although he wasn't stand out (that wasn't his game?) he looked like one of those players who could slow the game down to suit himself. I thought that he would go on to better things.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
As he’s gone down the leagues he’s had to adapt his game and not really for the better to be honest. He was operating as an 8 and sometimes 10 last season rather than a deep lying midfielder who could control the game. He’d probably look better in this City team in League 1 than he does in the National League. He’d have more time on the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
His brother was at the club as well, or am i imagining that?Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Yeah Jaye was a few years older. Same age group as Tommy O Sullivan and Oshilaja. Drifted out of the game and plays Welsh league now. His brother was more like Jason, skilful and creative. Neither had Jason’s pace though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Different year, yes, but while he was over a year younger than Bowen and Spence he's only a few months younger than lads like Isaak Davies, Kieron Evans and Joel Bagan, who were all regulars, and older than Mayembe and Eli King. He was older than Tankiewicz is now and he's playing u-21s so I wouldn't use it as an excuse for him not making a big impact but maybe that's unfair.Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
Here's a report from earlier in the year about where Bellamy's squad is now.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...youth-31267766
What’s this bollocks all about?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Yeah, jason was quick. He always caused me problems when he was at Swansea. There was another kid who went to Southampton (same age) Lee Powell, from Newport, I couldn't get near him for pace, so i'd just stay as close as possible to him, just spoil, not play..... :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
:hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Yeah but what I'm getting is he would've been in the age group below that lot coming through so a little later to the party so to speak when he reached the u18sQuote:
Originally Posted by Loramski
It's fair enough to assume there would be a significant difference between being a first or second year 'scholar' in that set-up, yes. As I've said though, he wasn't the youngest there by any means. Bellamy was throwing 15-year-olds in and even Ashford got on at 14 so Colwill needn't have felt intimidated in any way, I'd have thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
The other thing is, regardless of his age, that he had the skill-set and physique that made you feel he should have been imposing himself on those games but it never quite happened. And that's something that's been said about him regularly ever since.
This season, at last, people are saying that the other team couldn't handle him and I said to my eldest on Tuesday night that he's finally turning into a Tomlin type maverick that's great to watch and almost unplayable.
But that was against Cheltenham. Bellamy has to decide whether Rubin has just found his level or has he turned the corner and is now developing into a top-class player that could be a real asset for Wales. I'd have thought it was a great chance to call him up, watch him train, talk with him etc and get a feel of where he's at but there you go. Surely it's only a matter of time.
I was confident SamBowen would make it all of the way into the first team on a regular basis. Mick McCarthy clearly rated him, but, he got an injury to his Meniscus around the time Mick was sacked and his career just stalled under Morison who I thought resented his injury for some reason (or at least that’s the impression I got). Morison’s attitude towards Bowen was strange given he was a mainstay of his under 21s when he would often control games, but you think of what he said about Isaak Davies at Bournemouth that night and the way he often used to talk about Rubin and wonder what he was doing in that job,. To be fair, Morison was probably good for the career of Bagan and King, but I’d never put him in charge of teenage footballers if I was his boss - in fact, I wouldn’t hire him full stop. I notice Sutton, run by that bloke who wants to take us over, are in the bottom four of the National League having lost three straight matches, so maybe Morison won’t be there much longer?
Bulut & Riza not even having the compliment of being referred to as EB & OR, God they were shite and never, ever should their initials be used:hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
Maybe the attraction of hiring someone like him was the 2 4 1 offer, as you have him and hisQuote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Massive Ego
I can’t see to many queuing up to sign him once he’s done at Sutton
I thought about referring to them as Dumb and Dumber but then thought 'be nice'.Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
as we are playing Canada just remembered the talk back in May this year regarding Cardiff born Gabriele Biancheri who is eligible to play for Wales or Canada who as played at under 19 level for Wales already but accepted an invitation to join up with the Canadian team back then
Just looking at there squad announced a few days ago look like he's not involved . Was at Man Utd back then is he still now ?
https://news.canadasoccer.com/canmnt...er-fifa-window