OH Angie Baby

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Originally Posted by MOZZER2

there are claims now she used 160k from her sons trust fund to help purchase property

if true wouldn't she have to pay stamp duty on that to ? think trust fund money is tax free

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The trust bought her share of the property from her. She could have gifted it, and in 7 years this gift would have been outside of her estate for IHT. Not sure why you'd sell your own property to your child's trust, other than to extract money from the trust tax free. GROB and IT rules don't usually apply if the trust is set up for a person with special needs so she could have maintained an interest in it post sale, its odd that GROB rules apply here.

The more you look into it, the more it seems like tax avoidance rather than some munificent action of a parent looking after her child. We're not privy to the full facts but its very fishy.

Has anyone seen or heard from Ninian Opinion?

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Originally Posted by Heathblue

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...x-newtab-en-gb

Shame really isn't it :hehe:

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I’ve been in shock, really, because I thought I’d done everything properly, and I relied on the advice that I received and I’m devastated because I’ve always upheld the rules and always have done

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this isn't strictly true is it?

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

Jacqui Smith had to resign as Labour Home Secretary for claiming that a room in her sister's house was her main residence.Not a Gazebo but still outside the rules

And her husband used taxpayers money to.....
Yes....Pay for porn!

And she is back in Government now as Minister for Women

Though she has split from her husband so no more porn!

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Yes but did you see her b**bs? 😍

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Originally Posted by Feedback

The trust bought her share of the property from her. She could have gifted it, and in 7 years this gift would have been outside of her estate for IHT. Not sure why you'd sell your own property to your child's trust, other than to extract money from the trust tax free. GROB and IT rules don't usually apply if the trust is set up for a person with special needs so she could have maintained an interest in it post sale, its odd that GROB rules apply here.

The more you look into it, the more it seems like tax avoidance rather than some munificent action of a parent looking after her child. We're not privy to the full facts but its very fishy.

Has anyone seen or heard from Ninian Opinion?

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Rumor has it that he's smashed up his Windows 95 computer in a pissed up fit of rage shouting Heathblue you fkin miss o gin ist egged on by Laurel and Hardy, and wondering how can he re emerge pretending he wasn't mugged off by Angie, puffing his chest out ready to defend to next labour champagne hypocrite, I have a few of her tweets stacked ready and loaded, she really has been a gift of all gifts, free gear is laughing his cahones off with the attention grabbing headlines she managed to make changing the news cycle, but he must now re attach his cahones and do the right thing by unleashing the hammer, this is I suspect when the Big O goes on another bender and comes back swinging with another rant which may be the mother of all rants.

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Originally Posted by Feedback

The very real concern is that she is taking advice that has been shown to be suspect. Given she is number 2, she needs to show she has better judgement than this as she is playing with everyone's lives.

I think her position is untenable.

When you're in high office, you seek advice of expert Counsel at the outset.

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She is either guilty of fraud and gross hypocrisy, or of serial errors of judgement in where she gets her personal finance advice.

Either way given her position in the Labour Party and government there is surely no way back. She has to resign or be sacked.

But whether she goes or stays, it is another nail in the Starmer Party coffin.

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Originally Posted by Feedback

The very real concern is that she is taking advice that has been shown to be suspect. Given she is number 2, she needs to show she has better judgement than this as she is playing with everyone's lives.

I think her position is untenable.

When you're in high office, you seek advice of expert Counsel at the outset.

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She can only claim to have acted on professional advice as a defence if the professional was fully aware of the facts. If they weren't, then did she not make this advisor aware of the full facts. Whether information was either deliberately withheld, or just unintentionally not given, wont be enough for her im afraid.
I cant see how any 'reasonable excuse' defence can exist in thus case and cant see her lasting.

I think people would have more sympathy, and she would have more of a leg to stand on, if she hadnt gone to such effort to saw off the legs of others whenever any similar event occured.

She would call for Tories to resign before any kind of internal investigation had occured. She now wants to be judged by different standards.

Personally I have some sympathy for her but she had none for anyone else, so she's laid her bed

I also found Starmers talk of how we should all be so proud of her cos she's working class staggeringly patronising.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I think people would have more sympathy, and she would have more of a leg to stand on, if she hadnt gone to such effort to saw off the legs of others whenever any similar event occured.

She would call for Tories to resign before any kind of internal investigation had occured. She now wants to be judged by different standards.

Personally I have some sympathy for her but she had none for anyone else, so she's laid her bed

I also found Starmers talk of how we should all be so proud of her cos she's working class staggeringly patronising.

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I don't think any of us should have any sympathy for her. It's about time politics was scrubbed meticulously clean. Only then will people ever so slowly regain faith in politicians as advocates for the public interest rather than as actors for personal gain.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I think people would have more sympathy, and she would have more of a leg to stand on, if she hadnt gone to such effort to saw off the legs of others whenever any similar event occured.

She would call for Tories to resign before any kind of internal investigation had occured. She now wants to be judged by different standards.

Personally I have some sympathy for her but she had none for anyone else, so she's laid her bed

I also found Starmers talk of how we should all be so proud of her cos she's working class staggeringly patronising.

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He gets that from his old man, Toolmakers are essentially fitter & turners with a posh job description.

https://youtube.com/shorts/M2HoPkm1o...EJDxv3PYxRUrH5

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Yes but did you see her b**bs? ��

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Bit of a knob aren’t you fella ?

She's toast.

James O'Brien thinks she should go!

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

She's toast.

James O'Brien thinks she should go!

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If that tosser thinks she should go then I am jumping in the save Angie camp!

Nah, I think she will go. Newsnight suggesting that Labour MPs are shifting to more of that opinion.

She is Deputy PM mind. A seriously prominent role. Whoever replaces her if she went will be a huge decision

Angela Rayner’s lawyers insist they did not give tax advice amid stamp-duty scandal

‘We’re being made scapegoats – we’re not qualified to give advice on trust and tax matters,’ say conveyancers

https://www.the-independent.com/news...-b2820385.html

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Originally Posted by Mr Ducie

Bit of a knob aren’t you fella ?

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No not at all, but I can see you're a tosser

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

She's toast.

James O'Brien thinks she should go!

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James is one of the good guys and I have to say I agree with him wholeheartedly

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Angela Rayner’s lawyers insist they did not give tax advice amid stamp-duty scandal

‘We’re being made scapegoats – we’re not qualified to give advice on trust and tax matters,’ say conveyancers

https://www.the-independent.com/news...-b2820385.html

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Another surprise, not lied again has she? Maybe she got the advice off her postman and chauffeur……she’s done

Is she still clinging on ?, pay and perks must be persuasive for thee, have we blamed Thatcher yet!!!

Moreover where’s Ninian opinion? Still missing? :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Heathblue

Is she still clinging on ?, pay and perks must be persuasive for thee, have we blamed Thatcher yet!!!

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They usually blame the “last government” for practically anything they can, can they somehow pin it on Boris?

Lock her up, Fashion Police should get for that green flares trouser suit thing, worse than the tax dodging :hehe:

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Originally Posted by jon1959

She is either guilty of fraud and gross hypocrisy, or of serial errors of judgement in where she gets her personal finance advice.

Either way given her position in the Labour Party and government there is surely no way back. She has to resign or be sacked.

But whether she goes or stays, it is another nail in the Starmer Party coffin.

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She is guilty of fraud and gross hypocrisy.

Aye agreed :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by ninian opinian

Bookmark this reply. You know she’s done nothing wrong, I know she’s done nothing wrong and the right wing loons know she’s done nothing wrong. They’ve tried dirty tactics against her so many times it’s getting bloody boring.

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:hehe::hehe::hehe:

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

:hehe::hehe::hehe:

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Mind you Sludgie fought back from his Indian restaurant arson nightmare thread, so there is a glimmer of hope for ninian opinion 😁

Ok guys, I have my popcorn at the ready. I'm waiting for the same pile on aimed at Farrage for the same crimes from the usual suspects on here. Off you go.

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Originally Posted by az city

Ok guys, I have my popcorn at the ready. I'm waiting for the same pile on aimed at Farrage for the same crimes from the usual suspects on here. Off you go.

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Don't be silly az, Farage and his gang are untouchable

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Originally Posted by az city

Ok guys, I have my popcorn at the ready. I'm waiting for the same pile on aimed at Farrage for the same crimes from the usual suspects on here. Off you go.

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are you on about his TV money is put into a company, where the company pays 25% corporation tax, rather than him paying 40% or 45% income tax?

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

Mind you Sludgie fought back from his Indian restaurant arson nightmare thread, so there is a glimmer of hope for ninian opinion 😁

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I was happy to put my hand up for that

But when you were pulled up for something similar you vanished

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Don't be silly az, Farage and his gang are untouchable

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Hes going to be the next prime minister

Starmers pathetic leadership is one of the main reasons

No, his tax evasion.

I don’t see how she survives this after what emerged overnight and so she shouldn’t if it’s true, but there’s a stench of misogyny, snobbery and double standards from sections of the media that is a reminder of what drove 14 years of decline and despair for the country. Starmer’s Labour needed to be whiter than white to survive the onslaught of negative coverage from day 1, instead they showed they were as self serving and out of touch as the parties they were supposed to be opposing.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I donÂ’t see how she survives this after what emerged overnight and so she shouldnÂ’t if itÂ’s true, but thereÂ’s a stench of misogyny, snobbery and double standards from sections of the media that is a reminder of what drove 14 years of decline and despair for the country. StarmerÂ’s Labour needed to be whiter than white to survive the onslaught of negative coverage from day 1, instead they showed they were as self serving and out of touch as the parties they were supposed to be opposing.

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Labour have had it unless starmer is lynched

Totally toxic now

Its embarrassing to watch

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Originally Posted by Feedback

are you on about his TV money is put into a company, where the company pays 25% corporation tax, rather than him paying 40% or 45% income tax?

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That's the fella! Cute tax management I think they call it.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I was happy to put my hand up for that

But when you were pulled up for something similar you vanished

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Didn’t vanish, I’m still here sonny. Just let you have the last word as I know you like to. I stand by everything I said 👍
Ps. I hope you’ve sent JW his £50

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Originally Posted by az city

No, his tax evasion.

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tax evasion is a criminal offence. if he is guilty of tax evasion, then what exactly is it?

Angel Rayner had resigned as Deputy Prime Minister Housing Minister

And as Deputy Leader of the Labour Party

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

DidnÂ’t vanish, IÂ’m still here sonny. Just let you have the last word as I know you like to. I stand by everything I said 👍
Ps. I hope you’ve sent JW his £50

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Well you vanished when you said it was black people playing the race card , using your own mixed race background to ridiculously back up that gammon phrase ...vanished when it was proved those stopped were innocent and you vanished the other day when I reminded you of it

Its like clubbing a seal stuck in the ice but you carry on you big jessie 😆

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

Angel Rayner had resigned as Deputy Prime Minister Housing Minister



And as Deputy Leader of the Labour Party

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I wonder how she will cope with the mortgage ❓

Guilty of breaching ministerial code

Starmer should say she was right to resign and get on with sorting things out instead of blowing smoke up her arse

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Originally Posted by az city

Ok guys, I have my popcorn at the ready. I'm waiting for the same pile on aimed at Farrage for the same crimes from the usual suspects on here. Off you go.

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Nothing to say about the Deputy PM responsible for housing policy resigning then?! Very surprised!