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10-06-20, 16:15
J R Hartley

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

That's what was the fuel for this protest though. Aren't the protests in the UK about solidarity with racism suffered by black people?

Maybe I'm missing something, but how is the Lee Rigby murder in anyway linked to this?

I dont know, I didn't pose the question, WT will have to elaborate, im assuming he means we did'nt get this outpouring of grief when someone was mercilessly killed on our own streets.

But hey, it doesnt matter as much because he wasnt killed by someone from the state and they didnt take 3 days to arrest them.
10-06-20, 16:23
Croesy Blue

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

I dont know, I didn't pose the question, WT will have to elaborate, im assuming he means we did'nt get this outpouring of grief when someone was mercilessly killed on our own streets.

But hey, it doesnt matter as much because he wasnt killed by someone from the state and they didnt take 3 days to arrest them.

I didn't say it didn't matter. It was a disgusting murder or an innocent young man. And the two scumbags who did it have been sent away for life.

I just don't understand what the protest would be against or how they are at all similar. I don't mean to play down Rigby's murder, I just cannot see how it is relavent here.
10-06-20, 16:30
Croesy Blue

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I see good old Tommy's boys were chanting "There's only one Lee Rigby" and "Go Back to Africa" at BLM protests today. So maybe I am missing something.
10-06-20, 17:31
life on mars

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

He’s clearly here to honour us with his infinite wisdom.

There’s not a subject on this thread (and there’s been a few!!) that he is not an expert on.

Everyone deserves a voice 'everyone matters'
10-06-20, 17:32
life on mars

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

I see good old Tommy's boys were chanting "There's only one Lee Rigby" and "Go Back to Africa" at BLM protests today. So maybe I am missing something.

They are lunatics and don't deserve to be on the streets
10-06-20, 18:26
Wales-Bales

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If any of that is true - if - how in your mind does that change the situation? In any way?

Not only did they both know each other, there was also some animosity between them. I'm not sure why you thought their relationship status was not important to any investigation, but there is now another possible motive besides racism that could even see the charges being bumped up to Murder 1.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In Minneapolis, new details are emerging about a history of friction between George Floyd and former officer Derek Chauvin.<br> <br>One former nightclub coworker tells CBS News the two men “bumped heads.”<br> <a href="https://twitter.com/jeffpeguescbs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@jeffpeguescbs</a> has more<a href="https://t.co/fSSd1TLAuR">https://t.co/fSSd1TLAuR</a> <a href="https://t.co/MMNzwV0b3j">pic.twitter.com/MMNzwV0b3j</a></p>— CBS Evening News (@CBSEveningNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/CBSEveningNews/status/1270485898585690112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
10-06-20, 20:18
blue matt

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you just want to put right all the wrongs in your head.
i think we should smash all the grave stones in all the British War cemetries all over the world and plough the land up. then go to all the countries we colonised and destroy all the things we put there that so apparently ruined them, like railways and roads and water systems, let them go back to how they would be if we had never interfered with them, then go and apologise to the germans for winning the war, burn HMS Victory because Nelson made war in the nile, decommission the royal navy because it is an instrument of capitalist oppression, then pass a law that says any one who is white british must by definition be wrong in any argument.
how's that trampie. Have I left anything out? Oh yes apologise to the frogs chinks wops polaks greeks arabs burmese and all the other people we gave so many lives to liberate in WW2 because we referred to them by these now derogatory terms whilst saving them. Let me know what else needs doing when we've finished that lot.

your post might be in the jest, but

last night I saw a listof " racists that must fall " on another mb i use

Baden powell was on it, his crime was atrocities against zulus

now this guy served in the british army for 34 years, we were expanding / protecting the empire, he commanded troops in the boer war

where will it end ? ? ?
10-06-20, 20:22
xsnaggle

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Originally Posted by blue matt

your post might be in the jest, but

last night I saw a listof " racists that must fall " on another mb i use

Baden powell was on it, his crime was atrocities against zulus

now this guy served in the british army for 34 years, we were expanding / protecting the empire, he commanded troops in the boer war

where will it end ? ? ?

This evening on the news they were talking of wiping out any reference to Drake in Plymouth and of Captain Cook in his home town. It's crazy. But politicians are afraid to say any single word against it because they will immediately be labelled as racist themselves.
10-06-20, 20:49
Harry Paget Flashman

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Sadly I think she is representative of the teaching profession. We had incidents during the brexit campaign and the last election of children being bullied at school because the parents were thought to be conservative and of that bullying being encouraged by teachers. The lady I spoke of definitely thinks she is representative of the teaching profession and she talks to her colleagues and teaching union officials all the time, and not only encourages it but thinks it is perfectly right to indoctrinate young children with a particular political trait.

There's been some tremendous fibbers on here over the years but this is a top 5 entry.
10-06-20, 20:54
xsnaggle

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Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman

There's been some tremendous fibbers on here over the years but this is a top 5 entry.

I don't tell lies.
10-06-20, 21:04
Llandaff Blue

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Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman

There's been some tremendous fibbers on here over the years but this is a top 5 entry.

:hehe:
10-06-20, 21:07
Harry Paget Flashman

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

I don't tell lies.

Bet you've got a big black spot on your tongue.
11-06-20, 08:04
William Treseder

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

I dont know, I didn't pose the question, WT will have to elaborate, im assuming he means we did'nt get this outpouring of grief when someone was mercilessly killed on our own streets.

But hey, it doesnt matter as much because he wasnt killed by someone from the state and they didnt take 3 days to arrest them.

I posed that question, because i genuinely
couldn’t remember how much of a reaction there was on here at the time it happened.
Im also trying to get my head around recent events, since the murder of George Floyd. The slogan “Black lives matter” hasn't sat comfortable with me.
I know its based on incidents of black people being killed whilst in custody, or whilst getting arrested by police, primarily in the States.
The slogan falls down though, when you roll out the figures of how many black people have been butchered on the streets of the USA and UK, by fellow black people, just for pinning their colours to a different gang. Thousands of young black lives, snuffed out in a heartbeat.
You just cannot start protesting under a slogan like that, and only aim it at the state. It doesn’t work.
11-06-20, 08:11
Croesy Blue

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

I posed that question, because i genuinely
couldn’t remember how much of a reaction there was on here at the time it happened.
Im also trying to get my head around recent events, since the murder of George Floyd. The slogan “Black lives matter” hasn't sat comfortable with me.
I know its based on incidents of black people being killed whilst in custody, or whilst getting arrested by police, primarily in the States.
The slogan falls down though, when you roll out the figures of how many black people have been butchered on the streets of the USA and UK, by fellow black people, just for pinning their colours to a different gang. Thousands of young black lives, snuffed out in a heartbeat.
You just cannot start protesting under a slogan like that, and only aim it at the state. It doesn’t work.

But those lives are included in it because so many black people are involved in that because they're born into abject poverty with no chance. You do realise how tiny the percentage of black people involved in gang activity actually is too don't you?

Remember black lives matter means black lives matter too, so if you saying black life matter doesn't sit right with you because of that you're saying black lives shouldn't matter as much due to the actions of 0.001% of the black population. Plenty of white people kill people but we don't think our lives should matter less because of it.

Adz posted a good video on BLM a few pages back, it's definitely worth watching if you have any issues with it. It really helped clear up some points for me.
11-06-20, 08:14
Croesy Blue

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This is the video seriosuly it's worth watching

https://youtu.be/jQ_0bqWKO-k

I think the biggest thing that jumped out to me is how much white on white violence there actually is.
11-06-20, 09:17
Wales-Bales

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

But those lives are included in it because so many black people are involved in that because they're born into abject poverty with no chance. You do realise how tiny the percentage of black people involved in gang activity actually is too don't you?

Remember black lives matter means black lives matter too, so if you saying black life matter doesn't sit right with you because of that you're saying black lives shouldn't matter as much due to the actions of 0.001% of the black population. Plenty of white people kill people but we don't think our lives should matter less because of it.

Adz posted a good video on BLM a few pages back, it's definitely worth watching if you have any issues with it. It really helped clear up some points for me.

Listen to somebody that actually knows what they are talking about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAGnzjq-7KI
11-06-20, 09:40
Croesy Blue

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Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman

Bet you've got a big black spot on your tongue.

100% :hehe:
11-06-20, 11:05
William Treseder

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Listen to somebody that actually knows what they are talking about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAGnzjq-7KI

I must admit, i got a lot more, and took a lot more from that interview with Shelby Steele, than the link Adz and Croesy put up.
11-06-20, 11:16
Croesy Blue

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

I must admit, i got a lot more, and took a lot more from that interview with Shelby Steele, than the link Adz and Croesy put up.

Maybe look up who Shelby Steel is and who he's being interviewed by. In that video he says racism is over with in that, how can you believe that.

You are "learning" from it because it leans into your political biases. Don't base your opinion on what one black voice is saying when there are thousands of others saying different things to him.
11-06-20, 11:22
xsnaggle

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Maybe look up who Shelby Steel is and who he's being interviewed by. In that video he says racism is over with in that, how can you believe that.

You are "learning" from it because it leans into your political biases. Don't base your opinion on what one black voice is saying when there are thousands of others saying different things to him.

But for the purposes of balance, as one opf our PM's said "Just because I'm in a minority of 1 doesn't mean I'm wrong.2 And as it turned out wasn't wrong! I think you should look at both sides but not believe 100% of either.
11-06-20, 11:26
Croesy Blue

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

But for the purposes of balance, as one opf our PM's said "Just because I'm in a minority of 1 doesn't mean I'm wrong.2 And as it turned out wasn't wrong! I think you should look at both sides but not believe 100% of either.

I've watched the interview, he's clearly a very well educated and intelligent guy but he's also out of touch or had his own agenda.

I don't really understand what point you're trying to make tbh.
11-06-20, 11:29
xsnaggle

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

I've watched the interview, he's clearly a very well educated and intelligent guy but he's also out of touch or had his own agenda.

I don't really understand what point you're trying to make tbh.

Just that, as you say, he shouldn't just agree with the person because it suits his agenda. There are good and bad points on both sideso f the argument. nothing more.
11-06-20, 11:29
SLUDGE FACTORY

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

I must admit, i got a lot more, and took a lot more from that interview with Shelby Steele, than the link Adz and Croesy put up.

Hes a right wing conservative who has for years opposed positive discrimination and opposed the election of America's first black president .

And that interview is with FOX news , just about the most right wing conservative news channel on american mainstream tv

Hes clearly a very intelligent man but most black African americans dont agree with him
11-06-20, 11:35
Croesy Blue

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

I must admit, i got a lot more, and took a lot more from that interview with Shelby Steele, than the link Adz and Croesy put up.

If I’m honest between “learning a lot more” from a conservative author on Fox News and using the death of lee rigby to try and point score over the protests, it sums up either how biased or ignorant you are. It’s not worth discussing it with you because you won’t even bother to see where you’re wrong.
11-06-20, 11:47
Wash DC Blue

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Maybe look up who Shelby Steel is and who he's being interviewed by. In that video he says racism is over with in that, how can you believe that.

You are "learning" from it because it leans into your political biases. Don't base your opinion on what one black voice is saying when there are thousands of others saying different things to him.

I think it’s fair to say that your bias confirmation is there also due to him having a different political ethos to you as well.
The fact that he is being interviewed by Fox shouldn’t make a difference, plenty of videos of him speaking with multiple outlets.

Is your opinion of Thomas Sowell the same?
11-06-20, 11:59
Croesy Blue

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Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue

I think it’s fair to say that your bias confirmation is there also due to him having a different political ethos to you as well.
The fact that he is being interviewed by Fox shouldn’t make a difference, plenty of videos of him speaking with multiple outlets.

Is your opinion of Thomas Sowell the same?

It isn't him speaking on fox news that makes me disagree with him, it's what is coming out of his mouth. Do you honestly watch that and think he speaks sense?

I don't know who Thomas Sowell is.
11-06-20, 12:02
Wales-Bales

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Maybe look up who Shelby Steel is and who he's being interviewed by. In that video he says racism is over with in that, how can you believe that.

You are "learning" from it because it leans into your political biases. Don't base your opinion on what one black voice is saying when there are thousands of others saying different things to him.

I know who Shelby Steele is, and he is on Fox because the liberal left media don't want him to ruin their well crafted narrative that people of color cannot survive without the help of the Democratic Party, and it's a total fraud.
11-06-20, 12:03
Heisenberg

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

I must admit, i got a lot more, and took a lot more from that interview with Shelby Steele, than the link Adz and Croesy put up.

What did you get from it, if you don't mind me asking?
11-06-20, 12:10
SLUDGE FACTORY

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[QUOTE=Wales-Bales;5085994]I know who Shelby Steele is, and he is on Fox because the liberal left media don't want him to ruin their well crafted narrative that people of color cannot survive without the help of the Democratic Party, and it's a total fraud

Hes on fox because hes a well known conservative who has opposed positive discrimination and Barack Obama

And fox is a station that is perfect for him as they think exactly the same way

Which is the way you think

Which is why you posted the interview
11-06-20, 12:15
Croesy Blue

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Mad how racism existing has become a “liberal left” thing.

Would you really want to align yourself with a political ideology that believes that racism isn’t real?
11-06-20, 12:18
SLUDGE FACTORY

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Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue

I think it’s fair to say that your bias confirmation is there also due to him having a different political ethos to you as well.
The fact that he is being interviewed by Fox shouldn’t make a difference, plenty of videos of him speaking with multiple outlets.

Is your opinion of Thomas Sowell the same?

My opinion of Sowell is that hes a very intelligent man

But I totally disagree with him

Hes a right wing libertarian free market capitalist

And he doesnt believe in gun control

That's all I need to know
11-06-20, 12:27
Wales-Bales

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Mad how racism existing has become a “liberal left” thing.

Would you really want to align yourself with a political ideology that believes that racism isn’t real?

So now you are taking it upon yourself to speak on behalf of other people? Let them speak for themselves bro, even if they don't all agree about the same things. It's not your debate, so stop telling people what's good for them, you sound just like the Democratic Party does.
11-06-20, 12:28
adz-a32

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

So now you are taking it upon yourself to speak on behalf of other people? Let them speak for themselves bro, even if they don't agree on all the same things. It's not your debate, so stop telling people what's good for them, you sound just like the Democratic Party does.

Racism should not even be a debate
11-06-20, 12:29
Wales-Bales

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Originally Posted by adz-a32

Racism should not even be a debate

Tell that to the media.
11-06-20, 12:30
Croesy Blue

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Originally Posted by adz-a32

Racism should not even be a debate

Exactly how can people say racism doesn't exist? And how can solidarity be a bad thing.
11-06-20, 12:31
adz-a32

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Tell that to the media.

Nah, I should tell that to Trump, Tommy Robinson etc. Racism should not exist but they are pushing an agenda to keep racism existing
11-06-20, 12:31
adz-a32

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Exactly how can people say racism doesn't exist? And how can solidarity be a bad thing.

Because they are...
11-06-20, 12:32
Taunton Blue Genie

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

I don't tell lies.

People who tell the truth AND those who lie would make that same statement.
11-06-20, 12:34
Heisenberg

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

People who tell the truth AND those who lie would make that same statement.

Liar!!!
11-06-20, 12:34
Wales-Bales

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Originally Posted by adz-a32

Nah, I should tell that to Trump, Tommy Robinson etc. Racism should not exist but they are pushing an agenda to keep racism existing

Yeah, just look at all of these racists sitting in the same room..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ3YkWecvCk

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