Someone else fond of quoting from the Old Testament:
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20...cid=d28a8bae61
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Someone else fond of quoting from the Old Testament:
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20...cid=d28a8bae61
F*ck me Jon that's a hard read. The BTL comments are shocking too. One example: 'What a nonsensical interpretation. You have an obligation to kill before someone comes to kill you, The obligation to turn the other cheek is Christian and contrary to Jewish teachings or even the teaching of JC'.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Certainly shocking I agree, as are many things outside our own culture and current values.Quote:
Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew
We are all conditioned to think and act as though our own cultures are THE 'compass' for all human behaviour. Yet even what we did as a culture within recent generations would be unthinkable now. A radio five-live debate this morning highlighted how we view Ukraine/ Russia conflict is somewhat dependant on how far back we look at the history of both countries; and this is also true in most of the other conflicts worldwide, with Palestine being no exception.
Fixed it. That's all that was needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
AgreedQuote:
Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew
If you've an hour to spare, this is well worth a watch - the hoops I was put through by You Tube before I could view it are definitely justified though , it's not an easy watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0at...JazeeraEnglish
https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingas****/s/5COWBFhknF
this is purportedly in Gaza but I haven't been able to find confirmation.
while far from being the worst things you can see from the region I still found it a really hard watch, that poor kid.
I wish everyone would watch that. Watch it critically, but watch it. It is a small corrective to almost 6 months of news output that overwhelmingly has amplified (uncritically) the Israeli propaganda machine - and co-opted Blinken, Biden etc so successfully (where their rowing back and retraction of the most blatant lies has never been given media attention).Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
:thumbup: well done Bob for posting that. I agree with Jon's reply too.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
I have to steel myself to stay up-to-date with so much of this. I find I have to mentally, be in the 'right' place so as not to want to sleep and cover myself with a duvet for days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Israel-Gaza war live: UN security council passes immediate ceasefire resolution; US ‘disappointed’ after Israel cancels visit.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...le-east-latest
Looking from the outside (always a limited view to some extent until all the facts are usually made known to the world long after the event) Israel is pushing the countries to the limit who are still standing with them to a lesser or greater extent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew
They are possibly moving much closer to the final scenario where all goverments will try to act against them by force; of course this could be a distant prelude to that final event, or it may not be.
That final event being the one that is predicted in the bible?
By God, who has a 100% success rate in such matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by stevo
I see Trump is now selling his own bibles.
You might be getting a couple of ccmb converts soon, truthpaste.
We all need a Saviour and he isn't Mr Trump, all people need to do is to test all things and see where that leads them.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
Watch it. Truthpaste will be pointing to the perfectly good Trump thread over there. I had my wrists slapped for daring to swerve the Dark Clouds thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
....and yeah. We need a God thread. The guys at CERN can chip in.
Rubbish. I'm sure He/She/It went out on penalties to Baal last time!Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
(Can the fairy tale pushers please stop hijacking this thread? You can talk to yourselves on the Fundamentalist one :thumbup:)
So Truthpaste, are you still supporting Israel's actions? Or have you changed your mind like everybody else seems to be doing?
And have you watched the YouTube video posted above yet?
Well first of all there are no shortage of people who wouldn't need to switch sides because they were never going to stand by the descendants of Abraham even if they were the last race on Earth.Quote:
Originally Posted by stevo
Secondly while I stand by Israel and always will, I acknowledge that throughout their history they have often acted in a fashion that is unacceptable; and so just like a parent that stands with their child irrespective of their triumphs, failures or mistakes, I do the same but would confess that this doesn't mean I say they are constantly in the right because of my stance.
There are two other factors here:-
1. Hamas have planned and played the world re this whole saga long before October 2023. They planned very carefully and cunningly for the events happening now in great detail, and the reaction that would come as Israel fought for guaranteed boarder peace for their citizens and of course the lives of the hostages that still potentially remain alive.
2. Hopefully there will come a point (sooner rather than later we pray) when the full truth will emerge re EVERY aspect of this conflict, from planning the attack, the defence, and the use of Palestinian citizens by Hamas in achieving their long term goal, mainly turning as much of the world against Israel which will (they think) help them get what they have always wanted, the total extermination of the Jews.
That's a 'yes' then.Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/...tion-gaza.aspx
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- After narrowly backing Israel’s military action in Gaza in November, Americans now oppose the campaign by a solid margin. Fifty-five percent currently disapprove of Israel’s actions, while 36% approve.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/c2vdnvdg6xxtQuote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
Hope this shows their true motives.
Could not get the correct report,showing that Israel settlers are all ready to move into Gazza.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeepster
Jewish settlers set their sights on Gaza beachfront
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68650815
Thank you very much.:thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew
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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew
One small section of coastline, yet if Israel had the land originally deeded to them they would be at beaches in what are now no less than eight other countries with access to the Persian Gulf, the Red Sea, the Nile and the Black Sea.
Also given the fact that many Muslim Countries are rich in oil (for example 25% of the World’s Oil can be found in Iraq), then why is this untold wealth not being used to accommodate those in Palestine that are in such desperate conditions?
And let’s remember that those conditions have been unacceptable long before October 2023. Are these Muslims somehow NOT brothers and sisters in the same faith serving the same God, namely Allah?
Jabalia camp Gaza City. Destroyed by Israeli airstrikes. Where is your compassion? I'm not feeling it mate. You sound like a Zealot.Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
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I have already commented on the complexities and atrocities of the war and the part that both sides have played in it; the people of Palestine have been the victims in a mission carefully planned and exectuted by Hamas, who knew how Israel would respond and what that would mean for the everyday people of Palestine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew
While the terrible suffering of families on both sides of the boarder is unacceptable and ultimately unnecessary, we are now discussing the response and the financial means to respond appropriately; particularly from those in the same worldwide spiritual camp.
You have already commented many, many times on your belief that Israel has some 'divine' right to occupy the whole of Palestine and many adjoining countries. You talk about a real estate deal with God signed off in the Bible. You endorse ethnic cleansing and have already commented that you think Israel has exercised remarkable restraint in the way it has cleansed non Jews from their (Arab) historic lands. You think an immigrant from New York City has more right to a Palestinian home on the West Bank than the Palestinians whose families have lived there for millennia.Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
You have done a bit of faux liberal hand wringing at tens of thousands of dead civilians, but have made clear that you are really a full on cheerleader for genocide and other war crimes by 'the Chosen People', and anyway it was Hamas who bombed the babies (by making Israel do it). Although you do regret the downside that Israel has disgusted most of the world with its actions - but on the upside, this will bring on the End Of Days when something significant in your fantasy world happens.
You are right of course that the conflict did not start on 7 October, and that the regimes around Israel/Palestine have done little to help the people of the occupied West Bank, the blockaded and now devastated Gaza Strip or the second class Arab citizens of Israel. Although as you know 'the same worldwide spiritual camp' tag does not apply to many of the people starved and murdered by the Israeli state. Some have no faith; others belong to a group called Christians!
:thumbup:Wish i could put how i feel like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
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Originally Posted by jon1959
Well said Jon.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Indeed, well said.
The fact that Truthpaste is happy to pin all the devastation in Gaza on Hamas alone just leaves me speechless. And he calls himself a Christian.
Can you tell us a little bit more about that?Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
As a Christian, he doesn’t seem like a Christian to be honest. Not a good spokesperson for my beliefs.Quote:
Originally Posted by stevo
The term 'Christian' is one of the most abused terms in the english language; so I'm not sure what you are objecting to, but so we can cut through any denominational fog, and maybe we also have a very different poistion on eschatology, yet what do you think I have said which is unbiblical?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blue
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Originally Posted by Dave Blue
To reply to Jon's comments which go from the accurate to sweeping false statements then let me deal with them separately:-
You have already commented many, many times on your belief that Israel has some 'divine' right to occupy the whole of Palestine and many adjoining countries. You talk about a real estate deal with God signed off in the Bible.
Correct, and you won't share that view because you don't have any respect for God's Word.
You endorse ethnic cleansing and have already commented that you think Israel has exercised remarkable restraint in the way it has cleansed non Jews from their (Arab) historic lands.
A lie, as I have said that neither side is faultless and in fact Israel has a history all the way back to Abraham of both great and dreadful periods of history which is also true of the majority of nations.
Although you do regret the downside that Israel has disgusted most of the world with its actions - but on the upside, this will bring on the End Of Days when something significant in your fantasy world happens.
And then you contradict yourself by recalling that I did condemn Israel! But you were annoyed that this could potentially challenge your world view if it then links into the timetable that promised that Israel a return to the Land and the dozens of other 2,500 year old precise prophecies that have already come true.
You are right of course that the conflict did not start on 7 October, and that the regimes around Israel/Palestine have done little to help the people of the occupied West Bank, the blockaded and now devastated Gaza Strip or the second class Arab citizens of Israel. Although as you know 'the same worldwide spiritual camp' tag does not apply to many of the people starved and murdered by the Israeli state. Some have no faith; others belong to a group called Christians!
As with all contries there is a mix, however they are mainly Islamic and ruled by an Islamic power that they (or their parents) elected.