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Originally Posted by jon1959
People are dying in Ireland at half the rate they are over here.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-ireland-delay
I saw an article the other day saying that a couple of the differences between Ireland and the UK is that we have a much greater population density here than them (so does Italy) and the average age of the population is lower in Ireland (Italy has I think a higher average age than both of us).Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
It said, I think, that both these factors may contribute to a higher infection and death rate
I'll try and find it again but I have read so many articles in recent weeks that I am not sure where to start.
I would guess though that there will be many such articles in the future as the scientists and mathematicians study the figures in greater depth
Should they have such a huge affect on the overall numbers? Surely their response being more clear than ours is what has done it? They "locked down" after us but they closed pubs, schools, promoted social distancing etc earlier, that is apparently the main way of slowing it down and lowering its effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
Prof Helen Ward has a very interesting twitter account. Hint; hates Tories.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baloo
I wonder why she's forthright.
She definitely does but that will become the smear for any scientist whose analysis points the finger at the government.Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
I imagine any scientist with a knowledge of how this should have been handled will criticise the Government's slow response.Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
Her Tory hatred stems from well before this. I can see why her and Labour party member John Ashton are oft quoted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
Of coure she hates the tories she's well educated in a scientific field :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
Another example of The Welsh government running things for themselves. so much mire efficient.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-52283236
So you think it's more important that they "hate Tories" than that appear to be being proved right in what they've said?Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
Very common in academia. Every academic I knew under 40, and a pretty decent amount of those over 40, hated the Tories. Think that attitude changed, unsurprisingly, the further up the age and salary scale you went.Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
Perhaps that's the case. The more important thing though is whether she's being honest regarding advice offered - what do you think?Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
She's one of those blasted experts that we have to ignore. :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
Imagine being this much of a fanboy of a political party, embarrassing.Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
Not at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I'm more curious as to why the media seem to like using the likes of her and Ashton, the latter of which doesn't react well when his Labour links are revealed.
There's a difference between being right and relishing in being right.
I've no reason to doubt she's being honest. I'm also sure she's relishing being right, for political reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baloo
John Ashton was on Newsnight in January warning about Coronavirus. There may have been a degree of political point scoring going on then I don't know, but they've been proven to be prophetic words and, let's get this right, there would be plenty from the other end of the political spectrum "relishing" being right if the figures were making a case that the Government had been correct to put off introducing a lockdown for as long as they did.Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
For weeks the narrative was that the only qualified experts were those government employees we see on our screen every day.Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
Is anyone relishing being right or is that a suggestion which is meant to reduce trust in these experts? Gove saying UK had had enough of experts only landed because people were starting to feel/already felt the televised experts were becoming out-of-touch despite their concerns, thereafter ignored, being largely well founded. We're all on the same team here (we all want government to act responsibly and get it right as quickly and safely as possible) but some are saying it's uncouth to ask questions when they get it wrong or simply don't give us information, despite chancellor saying they welcome feedback, because it's "point scoring".
Be interesting to see what the plan will be to end the lockdown. I think it’s time to tell everyone how long it will be, in what order they then plan to do things, ie small shops opening, working, schools, pubs etc.....clearly we will be in lockdown for at least another 3 weeks, probably a few more before things can change.
We're not close to thinking about what the exit strategy should be, certainly nowhere near Government stating publicly.
Announce it now, moron element will then break lockdown, citing the exit strategy as something that would happen anyway.
Announcing the plan now is what Sir keith is demanding. so then when it doesn't go exactly that way he can point the finger and say "You lied" or "You failed" Its easy to stand outside the tent and throw stones in, specially with hindsight..Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
And of course any scientist who produces an analysis defending the government is just a lackey of them!Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
What analysis has been produced that defends the government?Quote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
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Originally Posted by tell it like it is
I bet the government is doing little else.
You are right that they will resist stating it publicly - until they have no option.
You mean Her Majesty's Opposition would be doing what opposition parties have been doing for centuries?Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Not so sure, think it’s been followed very well here in Cardiff and friends in most places around England say the same. Tell us another 3 weeks and most will cope seeing an end game.....there’s nothing worse than being in limbo state for us humans.Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
LOL well spotted :thumbup: :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Conversely, announcing the plan now could reduce skepticism in some sectors of the community meaning that lockdowns will be easier to enforce.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Yeah perhaps. Not by me though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
I expected a very big spike in death toll today after the long weekend, as there is normally one after every weekend, but sad though each death is it doesn't look as bad as it could be. Perhaps we are getting over the top of the curve?
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Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Hospital admissions seem to be plateauing which offers encouragement that the lockdown is having a positive effect on flattening the curves. Three of the last four days have seen fewer than 5000 new cases being reported too.
On 23/02/2020 Steve Hilton (former strategy adviser to David Cameron during coalition years) appeared in the news again promoting a study saying 130,000 people had lost their lives due to austerity politics. As with every study, there are limitation to report he was describing, however today* marks the first day that the recorded deaths for coronavirus world-wide has passed this 130,000 figure.
Coronavirus has quite rightly dominated news lately so perhaps an interesting comparison to something that was largely accepted at the time.
*some records have date as yesterday rather than today.
A big adjustment to previous figures from Wuhan overnight;-
"alert Wuhan (China), the epicenter of the pandemic, today reported 1,290 additional deaths that had not been previously counted and reported, bringing the total number of deaths in Wuhan from 2,579 to 3,869, an increase of 50%, as the result of a revision by the Wuhan New Coronary Pneumonia Epidemic Prevention and Control. As part of this revision, 325 additional cases in Wuhan were also added. Separately, China's National Health Commission (NHC) reported 26 new cases (and no deaths) in its daily report."
Taken from;-
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...country/china/
Perhaps I missed it, but I've not seen any acknowledgement of the bulk of the 400 plus additional deaths outside of hospitals announced by the ONS earlier in the week. In saying that, I believe the daily figures from Scotland and Wales have been adjusted to include them (I'm pretty sure both countries recorded their biggest number of daily deaths on Wednesday), but not England and Northern Ireland which probably means that at least three quarters of those deaths are missing from the total shown here;-Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/
As can be seen though, with the exception of one day (which included a one off adjustment) the new cases figures for this month have remained fairly steady even though the number of people being tested has been rising.
Denmark Germany Austria Poland starting to open up.....we need to get testing and tracing so we can join them......
We had nearly 5000 new cases yesterday and that is without a great deal of community testing. How can we trace contact for that many people?Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
I think the UK is a while off opening up, but more testing and tracing is the way to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
More like get everything ready to do this in a week or two when new infections should be getting lower due to the lockdown.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman