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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
I think that it is certainly more beneficial to determine ones future and excel rather than dwell on circumstances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
Fundamentally nothing has changed recently, America is as racist as before, so is Britain so why the crowds now?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
A small town near me had a protest and counter protest this week, a couple of hundred from each side and another hundred watching to see what happened. Nobody there had any particular reason to be there. This is unusual in terms of turnout.
As for your point amount Cummings, I don't really get where you are going. He is a complete twat, people having parties are twats, people going to a crowded beach are twats and imo people going to a protest during a lockdown which is saving lives need a bloody good reason and I haven't seen it yet.
What if those circumstances are limiting your opitions and chances at a good future though?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue
I think your point would be valid if we were all starting on a level playing field, unfortunately we aren't.
Would you agree that your future and you ability to excel in modern society is far greater than most african americans and that the ingrained racism in society is one of the reasons for that ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue
I agree that positive discrimination and affirmative action is a part of social change . Some people , including conservative right wing libertarian african americans like sowell , and hes way more intelligent than I can even dream of , have a different view. But lots of african Americans and lots of white americans dont agree with sowell .
That's why I stopped voting for Welsh Labour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue
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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
Like being brought up on a South Wales council estate in the 70’s/80’s compared to other parts of the country?Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
Not necessarily.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I think a good family and upbringing is more important in determining such factors as opposed to skin color.
Lots of African Americans do though, people cannot keep lumping them in as a collective with one voice, taste or set of values..they are individuals!!!
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The restraint shown by the guy in the video is something I don't think I'd have - but I guess I'm statistically less likely to get shot if I reacted. Absolutely infuriating behaviour by the sheriff.
Exactly like that but imagine it being even lower down the chain! You can’t shake it off by getting a degree or working hard because your post code isn’t following you around your whole life like your skin colour is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue
I came from a working class coal mining valley and now earn 6 figures but I wouldn’t say every person could have worked as hard and achieved the same. I was lucky to have the right advice and lucky to do as well as I did even with the hard work I put in. I wouldn’t go on tv now and say inequality and poverty in the valleys doesn’t exist because it does.
Black people have it even harder than that even in the U.K. 60% less likely to be offered a job than a white person with the exact same qualifications.
Then in the US it’s even worse again. More likely to be born into poverty, less likely to get a job, more likely to get arrested, more likely to receive a harsher sentence.
The family upbringing could be amazing and they still have to fight against all this. You’d think coming from a working class background you’d be more obvious to the struggles people face and accept that black people have it hard .
I’m sorry but it’s pissed me off how wrong and ignorant this is. It is absolute bull shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue
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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
Shocking!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
Please explain which part and why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
That you think a good upbringing is more important factor than skin colour.
It’s proven bullshit. There are hundreds of thousands of examples and statistics that prove that’s bullshit.
There is no escaping the prejudices that come with being black, no matter your upbringing or how educated you are. I honestly can’t believe you’ve said that to a black person is without them calling it out.
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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
I have already stated numerous times how unjust society can be in the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
I have not denied for one moment the prejudice here.
However, the question was about ability to excel in modern society.
If you don’t think that African Americans can excel in modern society as much as I have or indeed any average white guy...maybe you are harbouring sub conscious racism.
You accept that prejudice in education , healthcare , housing and employment is thereQuote:
Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue
You dont agree with positive discrimination in housing and work programmes
Yet you think african american people in america have the same chance of getting on in american society as the average white guy ?
Well the statistics do not agree with you , the situation in this country is far from perfect but if you are suggesting anyone can succeed in america then we are going to have to disagree
Can i start by asking who the **** do you think you are.? You are some 2 bit contributor on a football message board, who comes across as a complete asshole, who thinks he’s here to educate everyone who has a different outlook or opinionQuote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
Ive been a part of this whole thread, and feel very comfortable in my views and opinions, as i am not racist and never have been.
Jeez :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
Tbh it is essential to know about racism as it is a big issue. Your privilege is talking when you call someone who tries to educate you on it an “asshole”
For what its worth i agreed with some of his views, such as opportunities are there now for everyone of any skin colour to progress, his concerns with the break down of the traditional family fabric, and the observation that many blacks are Still playing the victim card. I didn't agree with his views on “White guilt”Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
Any white person who isn't racist, has absolutely nothing to feel guilty about.
The last people i need to educate me, is you and Croesy. God help us if its down to you 2 to do it,Quote:
Originally Posted by adz-a32
I don’t remember typing anything to do with affirmative action?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Merely that personal responsibility is more empowering.
Neither should children starving to death in Africa, neither should the use of food banks over here, neither should human trafficking by East Europeans Etc etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by adz-a32
I didn’t call you a racist. I said you learned from that because it backs up your biases. Don’t worry we all do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
Everyone agrees thatQuote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
Correct. But its like pissing into the wind trying to eradicate it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
You must have missed it amongst all of the other posts that flooded the thread at the time, but I asked what you "took" from the video you watched.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
Would you be happy to answer the question? No worries if not.
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Originally Posted by William Treseder
You said i was ignorant and wrong. I didn't “learn”anything from your video, or WB’s. I just agreed with some points in one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
Simple as that. There is no right or wrong. You have an opinion. Mine differs to yours.
I answered you further up. You must have missed it with all the other posts flooding in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
Apologies for missing it. I was being genuine about thinking you'd missed it too btw. There was about 10 messages every few minutes at the time :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
If that's what he said, then he does have some valid points which I wouldn't argue with.
One of the things you said I can definitely side with... I certainly don't feel any guilt as a white person.
I don't feel any pride or any other emotions about my skin colour, to be honest.
To be honest, Racism, Paedophilia and bullying are probably the 3 things in life that sicken me the most.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
you are another Croesy multi and i claim my £5 :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
You're tripping 😁Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
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Originally Posted by William Treseder
You couldn't be more wrong, I'm all about peadophilia!Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
Education is secondary, learning how to learn comes first, and a lot of people don't know how to do that. It results in people being easily swayed by "experts" and the media. A good book I've read is Sapiens, which explains how gullible people really are, and how easily they can be manipulated. Just because a large group of people echo the same talking points, doesn't necessarily mean that they are right.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
It chills me when I hear people say things like "we need to teach our children ... our children have to learn about...". They have views and wish to impart their views on young and impressionable minds - at a time in our history when if it isn't on Facebook or Twitter, you aren't going to read about it. School should teach you the building blocks to enable you to work and communicate with others and to provide you with the ability to extend and expand your understanding and interest in anything you wish to learn about. Learning shouldn't stop..Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Critical thinking is something we don't teach enough of in our schools. I why any old shite that gets posted on social media gets taken as fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
Saturday's protest at Hyde Park cancelled due to Tommy Robinson threatening to be violent. ****ing scum
Have you heard any talk about global BLM donations being funnelled through an organisation called ActBlue, and then used to fund the Biden election campaign? I think Judicial Watch USA are looking into it, but I haven't seen any hard evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by adz-a32