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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
stan butler
In his case he's just as vile as the cop who did it. scum of the earth if it was your wife or sister etc that he had threatened you wouldn't have the same tune.
I agree if he'd done it to my family I might have a different tune, that's why justice isn't handed out by victims because it isn't usually fair or appropriate.
Do you think police should be allowed to kill people in the street without a trial just because they're "vile"?
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
I agree if he'd done it to my family I might have a different tune, that's why justice isn't handed out by victims because it isn't usually fair or appropriate.
Do you think police should be allowed to kill people in the street without a trial just because they're "vile"?
Very fair point
The 5 men charged with the horrific murder of lynette white in butetown were known to the police
They had convictions
Some would say some of their activity was vile . The boyfriend of lynette white was her pimp and a drug dealer
He , along with 4 others were charged with her murder , a crime they didnt commit
Should we have a society where bad or vile people should be punished for something they didnt do ?
Or in the George floyd case killed for being dodgy ?
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
stan butler
In his case he's just as vile as the cop who did it. scum of the earth if it was your wife or sister etc that he had threatened you wouldn't have the same tune.
The difference is floyd is not a person who will be going on trial for murder
Hes dead , hes not a murderer
But that police offer may well be
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
You're questioning a metaphor though.
You might as well have said "Killing black people isn't even a virus/disease so it couldn't be a "pandemic" in the first place".
I think we both know that she wasn't using a metaphor! The clip was used because it plays into the current media hysteria.
BTW I am offended that you did not apologise for saying that you suspected I hadn't listened to the whole clip. :thumbup:
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
Gofer Blue
I think we both know that she wasn't using a metaphor! The clip was used because it plays into the current media hysteria.
BTW I am offended that you did not apologise for saying that you suspected I hadn't listened to the whole clip. :thumbup:
Do you seriously not think that's a metaphor?
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
Gofer Blue
I think we both know that she wasn't using a metaphor! The clip was used because it plays into the current media hysteria.
BTW I am offended that you did not apologise for saying that you suspected I hadn't listened to the whole clip. :thumbup:
I don't think I know how to respond to that. I couldn't disagree more with your interpretation of it and using terms like "media hysteria" makes me think she could have said anything about current events and you would have taken umbrage.
BTW I'm still not convinced you'd listened to the clip at the time of posting :hehe:
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Very fair point
The 5 men charged with the horrific murder of lynette white in butetown were known to the police
They had convictions
Some would say some of their activity was vile . The boyfriend of lynette white was her pimp and a drug dealer
He , along with 4 others were charged with her murder , a crime they didnt commit
Should we have a society where bad or vile people should be punished for something they didnt do ?
Or in the George floyd case killed for being dodgy ?
But can't we just punish them for being bad and vile people?
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
But can't we just punish them for being bad and vile people?
Totally agree
If someone robs a shop at gunpoint they have committed a serious crime , several years behind bars I would imagine is the sentence mr x
But I wouldnt want that person to be given a life sentence for murder if they hadn't murdered someone , they had robbed someone
A nasty crime that deserves punishment for sure but it isnt murder
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Totally agree
If someone robs a shop at gunpoint they have committed a serious crime , several years behind bars I would imagine is the sentence mr x
But I wouldnt want that person to be given a life sentence for murder if they hadn't murdered someone , they had robbed someone
A nasty crime that deserves punishment for sure but it isnt murder
Actually the maximum sentence for robbery is 14 years and for armed robbery (with as firearm or weapon of offence ) is life imprisonment. That will do for me! and so called 'mugging' is in fact armed robbery just dressed up by namby pambys to make it look like a more trivial offence. Start giving them life sentences it might make the think twice!
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
Actually the maximum sentence for robbery is 14 years and for armed robbery (with as firearm or weapon of offence ) is life imprisonment. That will do for me! and so called 'mugging' is in fact armed robbery just dressed up by namby pambys to make it look like a more trivial offence. Start giving them life sentences it might make the think twice!
But you know and I know that an armed robber is unlikely to get 25 years to life
But a murderer probably will
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
But you know and I know that an armed robber is unlikely to get 25 years to life
But a murderer probably will
I'm not talking about what they do get with so called 'Tarrifs' but what they should get.
The great train robbers got 30 years! and except for 1 idiot they were actually quite well behaved during the heist.
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
I'm not talking about what they do get with so called 'Tarrifs' but what they should get.
The great train robbers got 30 years! and except for 1 idiot they were actually quite well behaved during the heist.
Do you think someone convicted of murder should spend the rest of their life behind bars ?
A woman who was beaten by her husband eventually knifed him and was convicted of murder because she went out and bought a knife
It took years to get her out . Do you think she should still be in prison ?
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Do you think someone convicted of murder should spend the rest of their life behind bars ?
A woman who was beaten by her husband eventually knifed him and was convicted of murder because she went out and bought a knife
It took years to get her out . Do you think she should still be in prison ?
Every case has its own points to consider! In her case she clearly showed premeditation. If she had stabbed him in the kitchen with the bread knife during a fight it would look a whole lot different.
Do you think a young thug who "Mugs" and old lady at knife point for her pension deserves to get a slap on the wrist or probation or something?
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
The difference is floyd is not a person who will be going on trial for murder
Hes dead , hes not a murderer
But that police offer may well be
Nelson Mandella was!
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
Every case has its own points to consider! In her case she clearly showed premeditation. If she had stabbed him in the kitchen with the bread knife during a fight it would look a whole lot different.
Do you think a young thug who "Mugs" and old lady at knife point for her pension deserves to get a slap on the wrist or probation or something?
I think we can all agree though none of these crimes should end with a policeman kneeling on someone's neck for 8 minutes until they did. Espcially if the person has already served their time.
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
I think we can all agree though none of these crimes should end with a policeman kneeling on someone's neck for 8 minutes until they did. Espcially if the person has already served their time.
Without a doubt. But sludge is now bringing up other things to justify lenience of sentencing. The must be a counter-balance.
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
Without a doubt. But sludge is now bringing up other things to justify lenience of sentencing. The must be a counter-balance.
As you said though each case is taken as it comes. Some cases there are good reasons for a more lenient sentence, for others their aren't.
In the case of George Floyd he served his time for what he did then got killed by the police for using a fake $20 bill. There are no ways of excusing that no matter how "vile" someone is considered.
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
As you said though each case is taken as it comes. Some cases there are good reasons for a more lenient sentence, for others their aren't.
In the case of George Floyd he served his time for what he did then got killed by the police for using a fake $20 bill. There are no ways of excusing that no matter how "vile" someone is considered.
I already agree with you on that. I don't think he got killed for passing the bill, I think he got killed for knowing the policeman. But that's just my personal opinion
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
Every case has its own points to consider! In her case she clearly showed premeditation. If she had stabbed him in the kitchen with the bread knife during a fight it would look a whole lot different.
Do you think a young thug who "Mugs" and old lady at knife point for her pension deserves to get a slap on the wrist or probation or something?
Certainly not , I would send him to a young offenders institution , its serious crime
She had suffered years of abuse and violence . She snapped and went and got a knife . Life means life ?
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
I already agree with you on that. I don't think he got killed for passing the bill, I think he got killed for knowing the policeman. But that's just my personal opinion
Would it excuse it if he knew him?
Have you got any evidence that he knew the guy? The only place I've seen it mentioned it on here.
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
I already agree with you on that. I don't think he got killed for passing the bill, I think he got killed for knowing the policeman. But that's just my personal opinion
Im not quite sure just knowing a policeman is worthy of death by asphyxiation to be fair.
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Certainly not , I would send him to a young offenders institution , its serious crime
She had suffered years of abuse and violence . She snapped and went and got a knife . Life means life ?
The point for the woman is that she deliberately went out and purchased a knife to kill him with. in law that is a perfect demonstration of intent and malice aforethought. As I said if she had stabbed him with a pre-owned knife in the kitchen it would have been entirely different.
Why put the thug in a young offenders place, you don't know his age? Are are you assuming all muggers are too young to go to prison?
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Im not quite sure just knowing a policeman is worthy of death by asphyxiation to be fair.
Well perhaps my reply may have been a tad to simplistic!!!!:tumbleweed:
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Very fair point
The 5 men charged with the horrific murder of lynette white in butetown were known to the police
They had convictions
Some would say some of their activity was vile . The boyfriend of lynette white was her pimp and a drug dealer
He , along with 4 others were charged with her murder , a crime they didnt commit
Should we have a society where bad or vile people should be punished for something they didnt do ?
Or in the George floyd case killed for being dodgy ?
And Marty is back to 1990. Why do you insist on bringing it all back to the Lynette White case?
She was murdered in 1988. 32 years ago. It has absolutely no relevance to modern day society.
And also her boyfriend had the mental capacity of a child, he was hardly Huggy Bear.
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
The point for the woman is that she deliberately went out and purchased a knife to kill him with. in law that is a perfect demonstration of intent and malice aforethought. As I said if she had stabbed him with a pre-owned knife in the kitchen it would have been entirely different.
Why put the thug in a young offenders place, you don't know his age? Are are you assuming all muggers are too young to go to prison?
He probably thinks Borstal still exists mun. Hes stuck in the past.
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
Would it excuse it if he knew him?
Have you got any evidence that he knew the guy? The only place I've seen it mentioned it on here.
Lucky you. Weve got Splott Dai next door with his conspiracy theories banging on about the cop killing floyd because they knew each other and were involved in organised crime. Youre not Splotty are you Snaggles?? :sherlock:
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-52977088
Band wagon politics or what? How many years has he had to do this?
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
Strike while the iron is hot I suppose. Especially if you have to get elected, doesn’t hurt to do something that’s currently popular.
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Lucky you. Weve got Splott Dai next door with his conspiracy theories banging on about the cop killing floyd because they knew each other and were involved in organised crime. Youre not Splotty are you Snaggles?? :sherlock:
If I was I wouldn't be telling you, lol.
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
Strike while the iron is hot I suppose. Especially if you have to get elected, doesn’t hurt to do something that’s currently popular.
That's about right. At least the Mayor of Bristol was honest enough when he said he had more important things to do.