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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
Worth noting that the arrest of Tommy Robinson that was discussed at length here during the antisemitism rally came to a head today, as the dispersal order was ruled unlawful.
It is funny the way these protests have impacted on things in unexpected ways
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crim...-b1153321.html
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-protest-seder
Hundreds of Jewish anti-war demonstrators have been arrested during a Passover seder that doubled as a protest in New York, as they shut down a major thoroughfare to pray for a ceasefire and urge the Senate majority leader, Chuck Schumer, to end US military aid to Israel.
The 300 or so arrests took place on Tuesday night at Grand Army Plaza, on the doorstep of Schumer’s Brooklyn residence, where thousands of mostly Jewish New Yorkers gathered for the seder, a ritual that marked the second night of the holiday celebrated as a festival of freedom by Jews worldwide.
The seder came just before the US Senate resoundingly passed a military package that includes $26bn for Israel.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...rk-gaza-israel
Zionism is a false idol that has taken the idea of the promised land and turned it into a deed of sale for a militaristic ethnostate
That’s a brilliant piece Jon. I missed that one so thanks for sharing 👍Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
All kicking off at some of the elite US Universities.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/worl...anada-68898923
And some of the non-elite US universities.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
I sure. The last video I saw, where one pleasant student was screaming "we are Hamas" was at Columbia though I thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
I'm sure there are plenty of extreme comments coming from all sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
But the overwhelming impression I get from the US college camps is a mainly peaceful and orderly demand for ceasefire, disinvestment, and not arming Israel to carry out genocide.
I have also seen a lot of Jewish students and academics taking part in the protests - although it is presented as intimidated Jewish students on one side and a mob of Hamas groupies on the other. The lies and misinformation from large parts of the press, from the US Republicans, the Biden loyalist Democrats, and that exemplar of truth and integrity (not), Netanyahu, are stinking out the story.
The protests are spreading - now over 40 campuses.
Good.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...llege-campuses
The woman who organised the pro Palestinian sit in at Columbia University said Zionists don't deserve to live and we should "Be grateful that I’m not just going out and murdering Zionists.”Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Honestly, it's not hard to see why the Police have moved in on these extremists or why many don't feel safe is it?
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/26/n...t-zionism.html
The woman is a man according to the article you linked - who has since retracted his comments:Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Early Friday morning, Mr. James posted a statement on social media addressing his comments. “What I said was wrong,” he wrote. “Every member of our community deserves to feel safe without qualification.” He noted that he made these comments in January before he become involved with the protest movement and added that the leaders of the student protests did not condone the comments. “I agree with their assessment,” he wrote.
The comments made online and in the hearing are outrageous - although his extreme hostile references to Zionism are yet again by the NYT translated into 'anti semitism'.
That is a continuous problem of intent and definition. Anti Zionism is not anti semitism. Many hundreds of thousands of Jewish people are anti Zionist - they are not anti semitic. Many hundreds of thousands of people are supporters of Zionism whilst at the same time being very anti semitic! False claims of anti semitism are almost never challenged or interrogated by the western media - and the liberal media has been as bad as the right until the last few months.
But whilst neither of us are experts here I have watched a lot of online social media coverage of the college protests, and a lot of broadcast media coverage (especially interviews). My strong impression is as I said above. It is mainly a peaceful protest focussed on a Gaza ceasefire, ending the arms supply to the Israeli Occupation Forces, and calling on universities to cut their ties to institutions and companies that promote or profit from genocide.
This example you have highlighted seems to be an extreme outlier - the exception that proves the rule.
It is good news that the clumsy (and often racist) attempts to suppress the protests are so far backfiring - leading to more colleges and universities starting their own protests, and to mounting electoral threat to Genocide Joe. The republicans and the Netanyahu fan club are doing what they always do.
Well he or she is unclear. Their twitter bio reads:
"20. Anti-capitalist. Anti-imperialist. Student and Educator, supporting and teaching liberation everywhere FREE PALESTINE" So I guess their gender is undefined.
Nonetheless, talking of murder and killing and now I see they have posted a response to video showing little remorse and of course blaming the "far right".
They sound like an absolute extremist and if they are leading one of the rallies it does make many people wonder wtf is going on.
I went to three marches against the Iraq war. The big one in London and two in Cardiff. I wouldn't touch these kind of ones at US universities with a barge pole. They don't strike me as being about peace at all and it has to be said seem hugely different from those we have routinely seen in London too, which aren't without their issues but this is something else.
Nancuy Pelosi:
"Pelosi urges Gaza campus protesters to target Hamas as well as Israel"
I think this is the biggest thing for me since the protests started really
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68909910
In the post Palestine march rally in Hyde Park this afternoon Juliet Stevenson, the actor, paid tribute to Refaat Alareer, the Palestinain poet and academic (the Voice of Gaza) killed with members of his family in an Israeli airstike on Gaza City in December.
She read his most famous poem, addressed to his daughter, just before he was murdered by the IDF:
“IF I MUST DIE” - REFAAT ALAREER
If I must die,
you must live
to tell my story
to sell my things
to buy a piece of cloth
and some strings,
(make it white with a long tail)
so that a child, somewhere in Gaza
while looking heaven in the eye
awaiting his dad who left in a blaze—
and bid no one farewell
not even to his flesh
not even to himself—
sees the kite, my kite you made, flying up above
and thinks for a moment an angel is there
bringing back love
If I must die
let it bring hope
let it be a tale
Yesterday his daughter, her husband, and their new born baby were killed in an Israeli airstrike!
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20...trike-in-gaza/
Clear sign that Pelosi has gone short on Hamas in the markets.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Helen Suzman was a Jewish left wing opponent of zionism and apartheid
I think she argued they led to the same thing and she's got a point
I mean if you move out Palestinian people and replace them with right wing Jewish settlers from Europe and America there's eventually going to be accusations of ethnic cleansing
Why does every individual need to have a political tag in your economy?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
There are many people who simply want to work hard, raise their family and live in peace.
Student protests over Gaza genocide spreading to other countries - including France and UK:
https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...ter-us-arrests
You missed out move in on other people’s land.Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
With immediate pre-planned slaughter of any living being like October 7th you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...uk-aid-workers
David Cameron personally recommended that the UK should continue to sell arms to Israel two days after three British aid workers were killed in an Israeli airstrike.
https://northeastbylines.co.uk/more-...-the-gaza-war/
Over the past six months, we’ve seen the horrors of Israel’s war on Gaza unfolding on our TV screens. The news reports tell us of the rising death toll, the levelling of entire neighbourhoods, the destruction of hospitals and the relentless aerial bombardment. But the full truth about what Israel has been doing to the people of Gaza is only now beginning to emerge – and it is even more shocking than we could ever have thought possible.
Well, things are looking up in terms of Netanyahu facing war crimes.
More on Lavender and Gospel
https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/
Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by stevo
If Netanyahu is ousted from power in Israel, he becomes very vulnerable to the ICC.
Another reason for him to push the Forever War against Palestine. Self interest.
No, I was thinking of things that occurred well before October7.Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
Well before October 2023 eh. Well don't go too far back because no Arabs would have any right to land in numerous areas, including Gaza if you examine history in detail.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
In that respect, Israel currently occupies less than 10% of the Land they were given in writing. I've no doubt that you will give no recognition to God's Word as the majority assume (and hope) it is nothing more than a myth, so on this we would need to agree to disagree; but in the meantime it remains very interesting to see how individuals hold Israel to a whole set of standards they quickly jettison when it comes to any group that have vowed for decades to slaughter all Jews they can get their hands on.
I don't know who you are talking about with that last bit, but my view is that Israel and the Palestinian paramilitary groups should all be held to the same standard - compliance with international law - even though one party is a state and the others are from a stateless people (states have specific legal responsibilities).Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
Hamas and Islamic Jihad have not met that standard and committed war crimes and atrocities on and after 7 October. Israel has not met that standard and has committed war crimes and atrocities every day since 7 October and consistently since the formation of the state in 1948.
The inconsistency comes from the USA, Germany, the UK and most other western states (with some exceptions) who all hold Israel to a much lower standard than the Palestinians. The states and their representatives who provide arms, money and diplomatic cover to prevent any consequence for 75 years of breaking international law. Other states that do that get sanctioned; Israel gets rewarded.
And for me there is no 'hope' that your supernatural beliefs are nonsense - no 'hope' needed - just disgust that they lead you and those that share your views ('the Land they were given in writing') into cheerleading ethnic cleansing!
Well that is the facts and truth Jon,be careful the talking snake dont come for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Truhpaste, I hope you’re not referring to me either because I’ve called out both Israel and Hamas for their actions in this thread. I would also call out any Islamic state that practices Sharia law, for the oppression of women and punishment by death of LGBT communities. The latter ironically is probably something you think is fair game because it’s not God’s way. I still remember the discussions we had on that subject on this very board many years ago. You made your position on that very clear.
I do not favour one religion over any other. I’m just against the killing and mistreatment of innocent civilians, whoever does it.
1. I did include a quote above my comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by stevo
2. And for the sake of further clarity, while I adhere to God's view of family life, I have never suggested that those who go their own way should be exterminated. All of us in one way or another flout God's Law, which is why we are all in need of a Saviour; some accept Him, others simply add him to their gutter level language.
3. On religion I oppose them all, as they only cause confusion and at their worst death. Jesus was (as planned thousands of years before) murdered because of the religious people in Jerusalem.
So, you’re not religious?
While I say an actual relationship with God is crucial for each individual, I would also warn that religion is the main reason most people never find that living relationship with God. This isn't easy to explain in text, but here's a first attempt.Quote:
Originally Posted by stevo
In the same way americans think you can run holding in football, the word - 'religion' - is viewed by our mainly secular society as anyone who excercises any form of faith in any form of greater being or someone who performs rituals or practices of any kind.
In the middle of such 'fog' - we end up eagerly looking for the irrational examples found in the mix and end up throwing out religion and all other faith as irrelevant. In fact all religion is hopeless as far as Almighty God is concerned, and only invented to stop us seeing what we really need - the Bible calls them 'cunningly devised fables'.
Or to put it another way, flood the world with fake Rolex watches, say they are the real thing and eventually people (let down by their performance) assume all Rolex watches, even the real ones, are unreliable.
Religion is ultimately dead and is something that can only be observed on the outside, whereas faith in Christ happens on the inside and will always manifest itself on the outside in every aspect of someone's life; in their speech, their priorities, their ambitions and their key reason for living. Someone put it like this, if you hired a detective to follow me for 7 days, they should collect enough information to convict me of being a Christian!
Hoping that starts to answer your question, I'm very happy to explain any of the above in more detail or answer any new questions you may have. And thanks for asking such an important question.
It’s okay. I think I get where you’re coming from. And thank you for taking the time to explain. It’s an interesting viewpoint. But it also comes across as saying you don’t want to be associated with all those other deluded religious people, because yours is the correct path and all the others are wrong. This is essentially why I don’t believe.
We don't like the press
Let's ban them
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