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****ing hell :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
So that's why you defend any criticism of them like they're a football team. I can't imagine being so defensive or biased about anything.
I've voted labour and libdems and been members of both, I never defended them like a rabid liverpool fan on twitter like you're doing.
Coming from someone who lives in the shires where the Tory candidate couldn't lose even if they were outed as a conman (grant shapps tested that one out and his majority took just a minor dent), I couldn't agree more.Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
Nah, wasn't. If anything I was more left wing at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Dad used to be a shop steward at Merthyr's Hoover plant. When others wanted a frivalous strike, he disagreed and was then beaten up for his efforts. He quit, becoming self-employed.
At that point, I reassessed my previous views.
Cool story, bro.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
Claim and counter claim in government response gets further chapter as Lancelot responds:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9474081.html
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For the avoidance of doubt (on basis of 16+ years in FCO), it is NOT normal for a PM to chair *every* COBRA but IS normal for PM to chair COBRA when the matter *is* a national emergency.
The PM’s presence is a good yardstick of how seriously the PM takes the issue. - https://twitter.com/SnellArthur/stat...85723726286851
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there’s a lot of buck-passing going on in Whitehall right now as @pilitaclar has discovered: https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status...71556622655490
(an extract of article from financial times)
Uncool tory, broQuote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
Following on from an afternoon of Senedd bashing, isn't it nice to bring some good Welsh (and Scottish) news as things stand:
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Part of explanation for PPE problem in England appears to be a poorer procurement regime in Whitehall vs Cardiff/Edinburgh. I understnd that several Welsh firms have been supplying NHS Wales for weeks but have heard nothing from London. System described as chaotic by comparison - https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/st...30864496295938
Update on the cakeydoll Labour activist / nurse at a Southend hospital.
https://twitter.com/GiftCee/status/1251913423358697472
Charity have now deleted their tweet for some unimaginable reason.
I do hope the nurse didn't steal PPE she claims doesn't exist...
Any thing to this I wonder?
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...9-deaths-study
Almost certainly.
Air pollution damages lungs, covid-19 infection can trigger underlying ailments.
He's found the smoking gun. There's **** loads of PPE and all the nurses are stealing it and giving it away or selling it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
That's what I thought, the locations with the worst death rates in this country tends to support the findings as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
Care to point out where I've said "all"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
No?
Funny that.
If this nurse has stolen, I presume you'll condemn them.
Tbf it's hardly the most out there finding to make.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
It could lead governments to target resources based upon air quality in specific regions I guess.
Whilst most of the country claps for the carers please do keep us updated on individual nurses you can find for us to condemn.Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
WTI Crude oil trading at $4.04, it could actually have a negative price.
It just seems a unimportant story to obsessively follow during this crisis unless you are trying to make some kind of point that applies more widely.Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
Do I have to publicly condemn everything that is bad now? You think you might be losing it a little?
Obsessive? Just interested in the story, something different than the usual navel gazing going on.
Hey ho, remind us what can and can't be posted please.
I’d welcome this different approach if it was impartial throughout.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
It’ll be interesting to see how this goes.
It’s a bit of a deflection isn’t it?Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
Indeed, I demand a minute's hate alongside the clapping!Quote:
Originally Posted by Baloo
Hoovers during the 80s had a well known Trade Union representative who was viewed as extremely militant, left wing and troublesome to the then owners.Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
Oil at MINUS $28 a barrel.
True at the time the tories chose himQuote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
But everyone of voting age got their chance in December , Bob.
( and I am not one of the 0.2%)
The ideal for just about 95% of us would be this Tory party keeping this sizeable majority, increasing it potentially, based on how well they have governed over a 5 year period, especially during this critical period of time, and how everyone has had their lives improved, with them having plans to make things even better over next 5 years. Even in a short period of time however I would suggest following statements are more likely to ring true/ominous than my opening statement:
But these wiki statements haven't been taken from the UK webpage...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FideszQuote:
The government has been accused of "silencing media"
The government has been accused of "[chipping] away at the country's democratic framework, reducing judicial independence, taking control of most state and private media and reshaping the electoral system to favor the government"
The government has been accused of removing independent judges, stacking the Constitutional Court and judicial institutions with loyalists, and appointing as chief prosecutor a former party member who has seldom pursued corruption charges against government politicians
The government has been accused of corruption and of fostering a "clique of loyal oligarchs"
The government has been accused of using an illusory spectre of immigration for its political gain;
Still, 4.5 years is a long time to go so lets hope they turn it around and quickly too. I'd much rather admit I got it wrong politically than see poor handling of this virus a second longer.
Does this mean that I can get a barrel of oil [I]and[/]be given $28?!Quote:
Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO
Technically, yes. I'll have a million barrels please. I'll keep it in my shed until it is $60 and I'll pretend I am JR Ewing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
America will invade you in 2023.Quote:
Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO
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Originally Posted by tell it like it is
I haven't got time to go through each point of your latest Tory love in but here's the first one destroyed to bits for youQuote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...k-5334406.html
Four sites, quickly contained.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
Labour fans claimed Brown was in charge during the main outbreak in 2001.
Destroyed to bits indeed...
The question is what did the PM do when there was a potential national crisis in 2007? Answer was cut short his holiday immediately to chair COBRA meetings. Same question for now, answer is stayed on holiday and missed 5 of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
The fact Brown dropped everything when it was an easily contained issue and Johnson didn't when it was an impossible to contain issue isn't an argument in your favour, you've just destroyed your own argument further :facepalm:
Fair play on reading the article that was a rapid response by Labour mobalising their Ministers immediately and get on with Cobra meetings and that was for foot and mouth the Conservatives have been found seriously lacking in their response to the CV crisis.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
Difference being, trampie, UK government had been through it before as a result were aware of the issues and consequences. It's always easier to deal effectively a second time round, learning from the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
So essentially Brown could almost have been forgiven had he stayed on holiday being that the systems were in place to deal with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
But with a brand new, unprecedented crisis which by your own admission is less easy to effectively deal with, then the PM should have immediately cut short his holiday and come back to chair the COBRA meetings, like Brown did in 2007 despite the fact it was a known and previously managed danger?
For his biggest fan you don't half manage to accidentally make Johnson look like a crap Prime Minister
It just goes to show how inept the Conservatives are that even when they knew that a previously unheard deadly virus was on the loose they were still found wanting.Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
According to the ONS there were around 6,200 COVID 19 related deaths in the week 3-10 April with a sixth of them occurring outside hospitals - add on the figures from previous weeks and I think it's safe to say that the total figure we hear quoted so often on news programmes is probably in the region of 1,500 light of what it really is.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52361519
Slam dunk! Hole in one! One hundred and eighty! Game, set and match! :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
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Originally Posted by jon1959