The Donald Trump thread

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

So you don't care because the man who was almost killed supposedly didn't care either?

As I said, you are no better if that is what you think.

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Some would call it Karma.

I can live with myself and I've no doubt you won't lose any sleep over my low morals.

We're both good.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Because Jon made light of the situation and then instantly referred to the Israel / Gaza war which has absolutely nothing to do with it.

You didn't pick that up as hyperbolic then? But you refer to me referencing what he said as such. Interesting.

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“No better than the most extreme of MAGA fans” :facepalm:

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Originally Posted by Jordi Culé

Some would call it Karma.

I can live with myself and I've no doubt you won't lose any sleep over my low morals.

We're both good.

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I won't lose sleep over it no, but I think they are shocking views to hold, because that argument only ever prolongs conflict.

And karma and wishing Ill on people are curious bedfellows to endorse too!

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

“No better than the most extreme of MAGA fans” :facepalm:

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Making light of political violence. Can you point to a more extreme position?

Imagine if someone took a shot at Hilary Clinton and killed a bystander and then people were making light of it online. Would you think they were good people?

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Because Jon made light of the situation and then instantly referred to the Israel / Gaza war which has absolutely nothing to do with it.

You didn't pick that up as hyperbolic then? But you refer to me referencing what he said as such. Interesting.

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You really are a sanctimonious hypocrite aren't you!

I didn't instantly refer to Israel/Gaza, I commented on a post by someone else that highlighted Israel Katz's hypocrisy about political violence. Hypocrisy shared by so many Trump fans on social media!

I admit to making light of the situation by posting a joke image of Trump as Vincent. Luckily I held back my killer line about the War Of Jenkins' Ear! If I had realised you were so sensitive about the comic misuse of post impressionist icons i would have thought twice - before still posting it!

I'm still waiting to hear (ha!) why you think I want to see an American civil war just because I haven't 'condemned' (was that the word you used?) the attack on Trump. That is seriously weird on so many levels. You are on a wind up aren't you?

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Originally Posted by Hilts

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It's Larry Grayson having a meltdown

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Making light of political violence. Can you point to a more extreme position?

Imagine if someone took a shot at Hilary Clinton and killed a bystander and then people were making light of it online. Would you think they were good people?

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More hyperbole.

Along with a healthy dose of whataboutism.

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Originally Posted by Jordi Culé

You're always on good form when you act all hysterical and concerned about other individuals lack of political morals or viewpoints. It's touching that you care.

Staying on track.

The attempt on Trump as you've pointed out is as serious as Jo Cox, David Amiss, Pelosi husband (who was obviously he was shagging a bloke according to some) and Capitol Hill. They're all attacks on political democratic values.

My observation have been concerned with Trumps uncaring attitude when the victim has been a political opponent and the lack of outrage by some on here when comparing other politically motivated attacks to Donny getting his ear pierced. To my untrained eye there's a lack of consistency in calling out wrongdoings. I'll happily be put right on this.

On a personal note, it's not surprising he's been the victim of an attempt on his life really. Do I care? Not really.

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Top post! That's a +1 from me. :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

More hyperbole.

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It literally is the exact same scenario as has happened.

What if you Bob. What do you make of the assassination attempt?

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Originally Posted by jon1959

You really are a sanctimonious hypocrite aren't you!

I didn't instantly refer to Israel/Gaza, I commented on a post by someone else that highlighted Israel Katz's hypocrisy about political violence. Hypocrisy shared by so many Trump fans on social media!

I admit to making light of the situation by posting a joke image of Trump as Vincent. Luckily I held back my killer line about the War Of Jenkins' Ear! If I had realised you were so sensitive about the comic misuse of post impressionist icons i would have thought twice - before still posting it!

I'm still waiting to hear (ha!) why you think I want to see an American civil war just because I haven't 'condemned' (was that the word you used?) the attack on Trump. That is seriously weird on so many levels. You are on a wind up aren't you?

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No, there was an attempted murder, you made a joke about it and then instantly linked to the war in Gaza that has nothing to do with it.

The only correct thing to do is to condemn it. It doesn't matter if you don't like his politics. Other people don't like politicians you like. Doesn't mean trying to kill Jeremy Corbyn is okay.

It's not hard.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

No, there was an attempted murder, you made a joke about it and then instantly linked to the war in Gaza that has nothing to do with it.

The only correct thing to do is to condemn it. It doesn't matter if you don't like his politics. Other people don't like politicians you like. Doesn't mean trying to kill Jeremy Corbyn is okay.

It's not hard.

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I suspect that some would have more sympathy with your self proclaimed sense of balance if we saw some evidence of it. This morning LoM posted a hideous attempt at a joke around Biden's mental faculties that was rightly called out and then removed by the mods without a pipsqueak of protest from you about its inappropriateness.

Yet when Jon puts up a Van Gogh meme it is an assault on decency. Similarly someone referencing Trump's role in the assualt on Capitol Hill where people died is whattaboutism before you offer some crude whatabouts around Hilary Clinton and Jeremy Corbyn without a sniff of irony.

For what it is worth I think Trump is a hideous individual whose persona and politics divide and repel. I absolutely want him and his credo to be roundly defeated and repudiated at the ballot box. It is not for some triggered halfwit of whatever political orientation to think that they have the right to shortcut that process just because you think he's a dangerous twat.

You are right to point out that innocent people were killed and injured in that assassination attempt, but you are not unique in thinking that was an abomination.

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

I suspect that some would have more sympathy with your self proclaimed sense of balance if we saw some evidence of it. This morning LoM posted a hideous attempt at a joke around Biden's mental faculties that was rightly called out and then removed by the mods without a pipsqueak of protest from you about its inappropriateness.

Yet when Jon puts up a Van Gogh meme it is an assault on decency. Similarly someone referencing Trump's role in the assualt on Capitol Hill where people died is whattaboutism before you offer some crude whatabouts around Hilary Clinton and Jeremy Corbyn without a sniff of irony.

For what it is worth I think Trump is a hideous individual whose persona and politics divide and repel. I absolutely want him and his credo to be roundly defeated and repudiated at the ballot box. It is not for some triggered halfwit of whatever political orientation to think that they have the right to shortcut that process just because you think he's a dangerous twat.

You are right to point out that innocent people were killed and injured in that assassination attempt, but you are not unique in thinking that was an abomination.

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Top post.

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

I suspect that some would have more sympathy with your self proclaimed sense of balance if we saw some evidence of it. This morning LoM posted a hideous attempt at a joke around Biden's mental faculties that was rightly called out and then removed by the mods without a pipsqueak of protest from you about its inappropriateness.

Yet when Jon puts up a Van Gogh meme it is an assault on decency. Similarly someone referencing Trump's role in the assualt on Capitol Hill where people died is whattaboutism before you offer some crude whatabouts around Hilary Clinton and Jeremy Corbyn without a sniff of irony.

For what it is worth I think Trump is a hideous individual whose persona and politics divide and repel. I absolutely want him and his credo to be roundly defeated and repudiated at the ballot box. It is not for some triggered halfwit of whatever political orientation to think that they have the right to shortcut that process just because you think he's a dangerous twat.

You are right to point out that innocent people were killed and injured in that assassination attempt, but you are not unique in thinking that was an abomination.

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I don't think I am unique in saying it was an abomination. Others are saying it too.

I didnt see LOM's post Im sorry, but I would gladly criticise it if you explain what it was. Whether it was worse than Jon making light of a guy being shot (and another killed) I don't know. Are you saying jons post should be removed too?

I didnt do "whataboutery*. I didn't compare it to an entirely different situation, I compared it to the exact same scenario by with different characters.

As you say. It's an abomination. You don't fkn well try to kill people because you don't like their politics. That quite literally is as extreme an opinion as you get and I have zero tolerance for anyone flirting with that.

It was up for a significant amout of time in the Trump thread on the main board you have contributed to but the gist of it was that if someone took out Biden with a headshot he wouldn't feel a thing as he is more or less brain dead already. Where you place that in your heirarchy of abominations is not clear but in mine it sits way above a parody meme of Trump as Van Gogh.

You are of course free to report any post to the moderators. I don't know if in this instance someone did that or that the mods thought it was so ill judged that they decided to remove the thread themselves!

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

No, there was an attempted murder, you made a joke about it and then instantly linked to the war in Gaza that has nothing to do with it.

The only correct thing to do is to condemn it. It doesn't matter if you don't like his politics. Other people don't like politicians you like. Doesn't mean trying to kill Jeremy Corbyn is okay.

It's not hard.

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On balance I'd have to say I hate Corbyns politics as much as trumps. But I wouldn't laugh or think he deserved it if Corbyn got shot, because he has never directly incited people into political violence.

Trump on the other hand, has on numerous occasions incited or tried to incite political violence. If people think he deserves it/don't care it happened to him on the basis that he has incited it in the past then I think it's an understandable position. May not be to your liking, but a British person thinking trump had it coming is understandable. If they thought the same about Hilary it wouldn't really be understandable, because Hilary doesn't have a track record of whipping this kind of nonsense up.


Trump and a section of his supporters have taken politics and democracy into some really dark places in the US. We don't know for sure that has contributed to the shooting, but it certainly can't be ruled out.

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

It was up for a significant amout of time in the Trump thread on the main board you have contributed to but the gist of it was that if someone took out Biden with a headshot he wouldn't feel a thing as he is more or less brain dead already. Where you place that in your heirarchy of abominations is not clear but in mine it sits way above a parody meme of Trump as Van Gogh.

You are of course free to report any post to the moderators. I don't know if in this instance someone did that or that the mods thought it was so ill judged that they decided to remove the thread themselves!

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Yes, completely inappropriate although bear in mind it was not said after a literal shot on Bidens head, whereas others were said after someone tried to kill Trump, so not exactly the same in that context.

But yes, not appropriate at all.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

No, there was an attempted murder, you made a joke about it and then instantly linked to the war in Gaza that has nothing to do with it.

The only correct thing to do is to condemn it. It doesn't matter if you don't like his politics. Other people don't like politicians you like. Doesn't mean trying to kill Jeremy Corbyn is okay.

It's not hard.

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I am looking forward to you 'condemning' the thousands of incidents of political violence in the past few weeks against people for whom you do not have deep sympathy. Two faced does not do it justice!

I haven't commented on the attempted assassination of Trump (other than the van G meme - which is very funny - and a better image than the one Trump will be feeding on for the next 6 months!). But if a Cardiff City supporters message board is that important I am happy to add my voice to those who are opposed to the actions of Thomas Matthew Crooks.

Got to admit though - there are other attempted (and actual) murders in the past few days that affect me more - not in the USA - even if the international political impact will be less. I have noted your lack of condemnation in those cases!

Your repeated reference to Gaza (via Israel Katz' social media posts) continues to be revealing. I didn't make the link. I commented on the link. You have nothing to say about the hypocrisy that was exposed in the original post. I suppose hypocrites stick together?

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I don't think I am unique in saying it was an abomination. Others are saying it too.

I didnt see LOM's post Im sorry, but I would gladly criticise it if you explain what it was. Whether it was worse than Jon making light of a guy being shot (and another killed) I don't know. Are you saying jons post should be removed too?

I didnt do "whataboutery*. I didn't compare it to an entirely different situation, I compared it to the exact same scenario by with different characters.

As you say. It's an abomination. You don't fkn well try to kill people because you don't like their politics. That quite literally is as extreme an opinion as you get and I have zero tolerance for anyone flirting with that.

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You did do whataboutery and you know it.

We appear to come at an issue like this from opposite points of view, I see an attempted assassination of a politician I profoundly disagree with, an odious man who has used racist language in the past, who has mocked the disabled and seems to target minorities as as a matter of course, and take it as read that 99 per cent of people, at least, condemn it, no matter what Trump’s shortcomings are.

On the other hand, it would appear that you think that any one who doesn’t condemn the attempted assassination is implicitly condoning it. I’ve got to ask you which attitude out of the two is the more reasonable and realistic?

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Yes, completely inappropriate although bear in mind it was not said after a literal shot on Bidens head, whereas others were said after someone tried to kill Trump, so not exactly the same in that context.

But yes, not appropriate at all.

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Thanks for that well honed balance again.

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

I even wonder if it was Melania who hired the shooter!

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She’s come out to appeal for calm and restraint. She’d better start with her own husband. Greet speech by the Governor today, setting a good example. It will be very interesting how Trump conducts himself from here. A bit of a shock that gunmen can turn on him no doubt.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

You did do whataboutery and you know it.

We appear to come at an issue like this from opposite points of view, I see an attempted assassination of a politician I profoundly disagree with, an odious man who has used racist language in the past, who has mocked the disabled and seems to target minorities as as a matter of course, and take it as read that 99 per cent of people, at least, condemn it, no matter what Trump’s shortcomings are.

On the other hand, it would appear that you think that any one who doesn’t condemn the attempted assassination is implicitly condoning it. I’ve got to ask you which attitude out of the two is the more reasonable and realistic?

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I've not said that. I'm saying it should be condemned. Others make light of it or pass it off or justify it.

It is completely unacceptable to try to murder someone. It's as simple as that. Its not how politics should be done.

By definition we all have different opinions on politicians. Some that you may support will also have done things that you accuse Trump of, but in no way should anyone entertain that as being a legitimate means of expression. It isnt.

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Thanks for that well honed balance again.

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You are welcome.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

You are welcome.

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So to set the record straight you condemn assassination attempts on political figures therefore I take it you condemn the same attacks on people like Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot etc etc.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I've not said that. I'm saying it should be condemned. Others make light of it or pass it off or justify it.

It is completely unacceptable to try to murder someone. It's as simple as that. Its not how politics should be done.

By definition we all have different opinions on politicians. Some that you may support will also have done things that you accuse Trump of, but in no way should anyone entertain that as being a legitimate means of expression. It isnt.

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You don’t seem to realise what you’re saying - you really do appear to believe that you’re a voice of reason on here when, increasingly, you’re nothing of the sort, you’ve become shrill and deliberately argumentative.