Re: Would Labour Risk Reversing The Rwandan Solution
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Tito Fuente
Why do you have a problem with single males? Are only women and children allowed to suffer atrocities in their countries and find asylum elsewhere?
I wonder if the high percentage (you might want to share your source on that too) of single males that come here is due to them being best equipped to get out of their country, rather than being tied to a bunch of kids.
It's just a thought but on the other hand they're probably all just black rapists in your mind.
I simply don't believe they are all true refugees and it's disproportionate between the sexes .
We need a process that let's in real refugees not strong man who have other agendas and thousands of pounds to pay trafficking gangs.
Families are the real victims and true displaced refugees, and we should care for them as a priority , with women and children given a fairer and easier route , with single healthy males should be processed off shore to determine the true nature of their refugee status .
Re: Would Labour Risk Reversing The Rwandan Solution
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life on mars
I simply don't believe they are all true refugees and it's disproportionate between the sexes .
We need a process that let's in real refugees not strong man who have other agendas and thousands of pounds to pay trafficking gangs.
Families are the real victims and true displaced refugees, and we should care for them as a priority , with women and children given a fairer and easier route , with single healthy males should be processed off shore to determine the true nature of their refugee status .
What percentage of the men do you think are "true refugees"?
What authority do you have to back up your bold opinion?
Re: Would Labour Risk Reversing The Rwandan Solution
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Originally Posted by
Tito Fuente
What percentage of the men do you think are "true refugees"?
What authority do you have to back up your bold opinion?
Send the home office your address and test it out offer up a room .
Re: Would Labour Risk Reversing The Rwandan Solution
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life on mars
Send the home office your address and test it out offer up a room .
Or you could just answer the question but something tells me you don't want to as you can see how racist you're being.
It's ok. We knew that already.
Re: Would Labour Risk Reversing The Rwandan Solution
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life on mars
Send the home office your address and test it out offer up a room .
Pathetic
Re: Would Labour Risk Reversing The Rwandan Solution
I'm not sure whats happened, but there have been zero reported crossings in the last 5 days, despite weather being okay. I struggle to believe talk of Rwanda or the responsibility passing to the MOD has had such an immediate impact :sherlock:
https://www.gov.uk/government/statis...-24-april-2022
Re: Would Labour Risk Reversing The Rwandan Solution
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JamesWales
I'm not sure whats happened, but there have been zero reported crossings in the last 5 days, despite weather being okay. I struggle to believe talk of Rwanda or the responsibility passing to the MOD has had such an immediate impact :sherlock:
https://www.gov.uk/government/statis...-24-april-2022
The patriots on twitter think all it took was one mention of Rwanda. Seems suspicious to me too.
Re: Would Labour Risk Reversing The Rwandan Solution
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Eric Cartman
The patriots on twitter think all it took was one mention of Rwanda. Seems suspicious to me too.
Indeed. I do think the policy could help reduce the amount of illegal immigration, deaths at sea and profits for people smugglers, so I support it on balance. But I don't see how it could have such a dramatic impact, so something seems strange.
Re: Would Labour Risk Reversing The Rwandan Solution
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JamesWales
Indeed. I do think the policy could help reduce the amount of illegal immigration, deaths at sea and profits for people smugglers, so I support it on balance. But I don't see how it could have such a dramatic impact, so something seems strange.
You don't think that they could be lying, do you?
Re: Would Labour Risk Reversing The Rwandan Solution
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Tito Fuente
You don't think that they could be lying, do you?
I'm not really one for conspiracy theories.
In this case, it would be pretty easy to debunk as a single verified photo from the last five days from any member of the public would do it.
Re: Would Labour Risk Reversing The Rwandan Solution
Labour quiet on Rwandan solution ,very vocal on cakes and parties
Re: Would Labour Risk Reversing The Rwandan Solution
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life on mars
Labour quiet on Rwandan solution ,very vocal on cakes and parties
I imagine your Rwandan solution is very similar to what happened in '94.
Re: Would Labour Risk Reversing The Rwandan Solution
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
I'm not sure whats happened, but there have been zero reported crossings in the last 5 days, despite weather being okay. I struggle to believe talk of Rwanda or the responsibility passing to the MOD has had such an immediate impact :sherlock:
https://www.gov.uk/government/statis...-24-april-2022
Perhaps a mixture of reasons , French upping thier game , the thought of Rwanda has the desired effect , the MOD are more efficient the Border Control , who knows ??
If it saves life's and provides better and safer entry procedures it will be seen as a result.
I just wish the folk who oppose such measures could provide a better clwar solution or policy that one could understand, rather than just offer criticism , that then allows the electorate to have a clear view of where each political party stands. Just saying its racist ,waste of money , unfair , against human rights, blame Brexit or Farage and evil right wingingers is weak and doesn't really provide a clear answer to an issue that has dominated political life for some time now even among Labour supporters there us division on the matter , hence the fence sitting or cheap racist remarks .
Re: Would Labour Risk Reversing The Rwandan Solution
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Tito Fuente
I imagine your Rwandan solution is very similar to what happened in '94.
Rather distasteful comment that is unless you are referring to something other than the Rwandan genocide.
Re: Would Labour Risk Reversing The Rwandan Solution
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JamesWales
Rather distasteful comment that is unless you are referring to something other than the Rwandan genocide.
I was referring to him likely choosing Diana Ross to take the opening penalty of the USA World Cup.
Life on Mars seems happy to suggest that most male refugees are wrong-uns and literally said that he thinks most of them aren't "true refugees". I find that very distasteful.
Did you miss that comment or just choose to ignore it as he's been supporting the same policy and party as you?
From his comments he's clearly happy for them to remain in their home country where they could be murdered by the state they are trying to flee as they're not true refugees unless they managed to procreate.
He would have had any fleeing male Rwandans flown back there and any criticism or question of his statements would presumably result in him telling me to put one of them up in my non-existent spare room (got a house full, sorry Life on Mars) if I care enough.
Very distasteful if you ask me.
Re: Would Labour Risk Reversing The Rwandan Solution
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Tito Fuente
I was referring to him likely choosing Diana Ross to take the opening penalty of the USA World Cup.
Life on Mars seems happy to suggest that most male refugees are wrong-uns and literally said that he thinks most of them aren't "true refugees". I find that very distasteful.
Did you miss that comment or just choose to ignore it as he's been supporting the same policy and party as you?
From his comments he's clearly happy for them to remain in their home country where they could be murdered by the state they are trying to flee as they're not true refugees unless they managed to procreate.
He would have had any fleeing male Rwandans flown back there and any criticism or question of his statements would presumably result in him telling me to put one of them up in my non-existent spare room (got a house full, sorry Life on Mars) if I care enough.
Very distasteful if you ask me.
Except that's unlikely to be the case isn't it.
Wilfully misunderstanding someones point and just labelling them as racist, or in this case as someone supportive of genocide is quite a common debating tactic nowadays, but it's a disingenuous one.
There's an issue that needs solving that currently works for no-one (aside from criminal gangs). It clearly is not the best way to deal with people in need of help and it's not the best way for our country to operate an immigration policy.
People are allowed to say these things and discuss them without being accused of supporting genocide for goodness sake.
Re: Would Labour Risk Reversing The Rwandan Solution
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JamesWales
Except that's unlikely to be the case isn't it.
Wilfully misunderstanding someones point and just labelling them as racist, or in this case as someone supportive of genocide is quite a common debating tactic nowadays, but it's a disingenuous one.
There's an issue that needs solving that currently works for no-one (aside from criminal gangs). It clearly is not the best way to deal with people in need of help and it's not the best way for our country to operate an immigration policy.
People are allowed to say these things and discuss them without being accused of supporting genocide for goodness sake.
Willfully misunderstanding someone's point?
Please save me the sanctimony.
I asked him to explain his point (thought I'd give him a chance so I didn't "willfully misunderstand" it) as it sounded horrific.
He couldn't answer as he likely knew how bad it sounded and didn't want to dig a deeper hole for himself. Instead he portrayed me as the villain as if I cared enough about them then I'd house a refugee.
Cyril has recently posted a list of Life on Mars' previous racist comments somewhere on here.
If you wish to defend him then maybe see who exactly it is you're defending and why his comments are transparent and not at all "willfully misunderstood".
A quick glance at his comments will make you wince (unless you agree with his views).
Perhaps Cyril can post them here again to save you the trouble of searching for them.
"People are allowed to say these things and discuss them without being accused of supporting genocide for goodness sake" :hehe:
Re: Would Labour Risk Reversing The Rwandan Solution
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Tito Fuente
Willfully misunderstanding someone's point?
Please save me the sanctimony.
I asked him to explain his point (thought I'd give him a chance so I didn't "willfully misunderstand" it) as it sounded horrific.
He couldn't answer as he likely knew how bad it sounded and didn't want to dig a deeper hole for himself. Instead he portrayed me as the villain as if I cared enough about them then I'd house a refugee.
Cyril has recently posted a list of Life on Mars' previous racist comments somewhere on here.
If you wish to defend him then maybe see who exactly it is you're defending and why his comments are transparent and not at all "willfully misunderstood".
A quick glance at his comments will make you wince (unless you agree with his views).
Perhaps Cyril can post them here again to save you the trouble of searching for them.
Sorry Tito, I haven't read everything he has said, but if you are accusing people of supporting a genocide, I think you should do so with a far greater threshold of evidence than that.
Like I said, distasteful and it does debase the debate IMO, sorry if thats sanctimony.
Re: Would Labour Risk Reversing The Rwandan Solution
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JamesWales
Sorry Tito, I haven't read everything he has said, but if you are accusing people of supporting a genocide, I think you should do so with a far greater threshold of evidence than that.
Like I said, distasteful and it does debase the debate IMO, sorry if thats sanctimony.
I didn't say to read "everything he's said". I doubt even Cyril has done that. I said to read his greatest hits that Cyril posted which shows that this person isn't someone with good intentions and has a history of disgusting racist comments that would support me believing he doesn't care about the refugee crisis.
He thinks single male refugees aren't genuine and refused to answer why he thinks that. Sorry, if I've used his response and the comments I read from Cyril's post to come to the conclusion that this person is someone who would happily allow these men to remain in danger of imminent death.
No point discussing it further with you as it's only debasing the debate.
Re: Would Labour Risk Reversing The Rwandan Solution
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Tito Fuente
I didn't say to read "everything he's said". I doubt even Cyril has done that. I said to read his greatest hits that Cyril posted which shows that this person isn't someone with good intentions and has a history of disgusting racist comments that would support me believing he doesn't care about the refugee crisis.
He thinks single male refugees aren't genuine and refused to answer why he thinks that. Sorry, if I've used his response and the comments I read from Cyril's post to come to the conclusion that this person is someone who would happily allow these men to remain in danger of imminent death.
No point discussing it further with you as it's only debasing the debate.
I think you know that accusing people of supporting mass genocide probably isn't a reasonable debate tbf.