Re: Stupid quarantine rules in Wales...do I ignore it?
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Originally Posted by
FormerlyJohnnyBreadhead
As OP says, once I have proved that I am not a risk, what is the difference between me going to Wales and Joe Bloggs from Bristol or Brighton?
Joe Bloggs from Bristol or Brighton would have not had the 3 tests to prove he is not carrying the virus though, so you would be a safer bet to let into Wales
Re: Stupid quarantine rules in Wales...do I ignore it?
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Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
Im not a great fan of Drakeford as you know. He annoys me by making political capital whenever he can. Recently he was on air saying were had the best vaccination rates in the world!!
Lots of comments that we are doing better than England.
However the facts are that since the start of the pandemic the incidence per capita England 0.7% of the population, Wales 0.7%
Death rate from those getting Covid. England 2.8%, Wales 2.6%
So whatever 'the stupid quarantine rules in Wales'. there is nothing to choose between us and England when you measure outcomes
Dont let facts get in the way of a CCMB Boris Bashing Session
Re: Stupid quarantine rules in Wales...do I ignore it?
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Originally Posted by
blue matt
Dont let facts get in the way of a CCMB Boris Bashing Session
What facts? The only one out of those quoted where England are doing better than Wales is in the double dose vaccines and, if I wanted to, I could argue that the second vaccine is a higher priority over the border because of the increased presence of the Indian variant following the decision to allow travel between the two countries in the spring.
What is clear is that the widespread assumption in this thread that the UK Government is dealing with the pandemic correctly and the Welsh Government isn’t is not backed up by stats produced by a self confessed Drakeford basher.
Re: Stupid quarantine rules in Wales...do I ignore it?
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Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
Im not a great fan of Drakeford as you know. He annoys me by making political capital whenever he can. Recently he was on air saying were had the best vaccination rates in the world!!
Lots of comments that we are doing better than England.
However the facts are that since the start of the pandemic the incidence per capita England 0.7% of the population, Wales 0.7%
Death rate from those getting Covid. England 2.8%, Wales 2.6%
So whatever 'the stupid quarantine rules in Wales'. there is nothing to choose between us and England when you measure outcomes
Although I’ve not bothered checking the claim, there’s been stories saying Wales has the best vaccine rates in the world for weeks hasn’t there? As for Drakeford making capital, that’s what politicians do isn’t it? You get Torys bringing the vaccine roll out into conversations about, for example, defence spending and you can understand it in a way because it is something that they’ve generally reckoned to have make a success of.
Re: Stupid quarantine rules in Wales...do I ignore it?
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Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
Im not a great fan of Drakeford as you know. He annoys me by making political capital whenever he can.
A politician seeking to make political capital? Wow!!!
You'll be telling us footballers play football next....
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Re: Stupid quarantine rules in Wales...do I ignore it?
Re: Stupid quarantine rules in Wales...do I ignore it?
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Although I’ve not bothered checking the claim, there’s been stories saying Wales has the best vaccine rates in the world for weeks hasn’t there? As for Drakeford making capital, that’s what politicians do isn’t it? You get Torys bringing the vaccine roll out into conversations about, for example, defence spending and you can understand it in a way because it is something that they’ve generally reckoned to have make a success of.
My OP by the way should say the incidence since the pandemic began is 7%( not0.7) and its the same for England and Wales
As far as vaccinations go I did mention those fully vaccinated ( 2 jabs) at 43% for England and 39% for Wales.
Yes, politicians do make political capital but how can he say we have the best rates in the world when we haven't.
The basic facts are that the incidence of Covid and the death rates England v Wales overall are virtually identical despite people arguing on this board that one is better than the other
Re: Stupid quarantine rules in Wales...do I ignore it?
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
A politician seeking to make political capital? Wow!!!
You'll be telling us footballers play football next....
It seems arguing with Drakeford is like reading a Software License Agreement. In the end you just click ' I Agree'
Re: Stupid quarantine rules in Wales...do I ignore it?
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Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
It seems arguing with Drakeford is like reading a Software License Agreement. In the end you just click ' I Agree'
Which one of your lot would you prefer to see in charge in Wales?
Re: Stupid quarantine rules in Wales...do I ignore it?
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Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
My OP by the way should say the incidence since the pandemic began is 7%( not0.7) and its the same for England and Wales
As far as vaccinations go I did mention those fully vaccinated ( 2 jabs) at 43% for England and 39% for Wales.
Yes, politicians do make political capital but how can he say we have the best rates in the world when we haven't.
The basic facts are that the incidence of Covid and the death rates England v Wales overall are virtually identical despite people arguing on this board that one is better than the other
https://www.newstatesman.com/science...9-vaccine-race
Re: Stupid quarantine rules in Wales...do I ignore it?
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Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
My OP by the way should say the incidence since the pandemic began is 7%( not0.7) and its the same for England and Wales
As far as vaccinations go I did mention those fully vaccinated ( 2 jabs) at 43% for England and 39% for Wales.
Yes, politicians do make political capital but how can he say we have the best rates in the world when we haven't.
The basic facts are that the incidence of Covid and the death rates England v Wales overall are virtually identical despite people arguing on this board that one is better than the other
Latest fully covid vaccinated figures are :- England 53%, Wales 49%. You seem to have under reported both. Wales has first vaccinated 86% of its adult population - one of the highest rates in the world and 10% more than England.
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Originally Posted by
dml1954
Latest fully covid vaccinated figures are :- England 53%, Wales 49%. You seem to have under reported both. Wales has first vaccinated 86% of its adult population - one of the highest rates in the world and 10% more than England.
Drakeford doesn't have any control over how many vaccines he gets. He does though know his supply numbers a few days in advance of what England get.
What he does have control over is the distribution and administering of what he does get, which potentially helped him to achieve the numbers and rates he has.
Re: Stupid quarantine rules in Wales...do I ignore it?
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Originally Posted by
The Bloop
Drakeford doesn't have any control over how many vaccines he gets. He does though know his supply numbers a few days in advance of what England get.
What he does have control over is the distribution and administering of what he does get, which potentially helped him to achieve the numbers and rates he has.
Drakeford knows he will get the population share for Wales of the UK contract as agreed. The AZ vaccine goes through England then on to Wales. The Pfizer vaccine goes direct to Wales from Pfizer so Wales has direct contact with the manufacturer. The Moderna vaccine also goes direct to the Wales distributor, whoever that is, so agin direct contact with the manufacturer.
Re: Stupid quarantine rules in Wales...do I ignore it?
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
No doubt the New Statesman is correct which is what Drakeford is quoting when he says we lead the world. Well done Wales.
But in completing the course ie 2 jabs we are lagging behind with 39% of population having had both jabs. Latest data from Wales Public Health shows 1,237,123 people having 2 doses 39% of our population of 3.15 m.
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Originally Posted by
splott parker
Which one of your lot would you prefer to see in charge in Wales?
I think I know what you are getting at by ' your lot' but it took some serious working out.
What I said in my OP was that despite Wales being cautious and Drakeford emphasising this approach, the overall incidence of Covid in Wales and the overall death rates are virtually identical to England. So is all this fuss with ' stupid quarantine rules in Wales' really worth it for the people of Wales. The outcome data says NO
Re: Stupid quarantine rules in Wales...do I ignore it?
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Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
No doubt the New Statesman is correct which is what Drakeford is quoting when he says we lead the world. Well done Wales.
But in completing the course ie 2 jabs we are lagging behind with 39% of population having had both jabs. Latest data from Wales Public Health shows 1,237,123 people having 2 doses 39% of our population of 3.15 m.
Actually we may not be behind. England figures are real time. The way they are recorded means Wales are 5 days behind. Wales is 39.2 with 5 days of jabs not included.
Re: Stupid quarantine rules in Wales...do I ignore it?
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Originally Posted by
Hilts
Actually we may not be behind. England figures are real time. The way they are recorded means Wales are 5 days behind. Wales is 39.2 with 5 days of jabs not included.
There is no 5 day lag. Wales data is correct up to 5 June. Look on the PHE website and you can see each home nations data for 1/2nd doses by day and cummulative
What has happened is that Wales has focused on 1st jabs, and lags in giving the full course, whereas England has spread it differently
Re: Stupid quarantine rules in Wales...do I ignore it?
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Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
There is no 5 day lag. Wales data is correct up to 5 June. Look on the PHE website and you can see each home nations data for 1/2nd doses by day and cummulative
What has happened is that Wales has focused on 1st jabs, and lags in giving the full course, whereas England has spread it differently
No according to this.
Lag in figures at the bottom
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55855220
Re: Stupid quarantine rules in Wales...do I ignore it?
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Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
My OP by the way should say the incidence since the pandemic began is 7%( not0.7) and its the same for England and Wales
As far as vaccinations go I did mention those fully vaccinated ( 2 jabs) at 43% for England and 39% for Wales.
Yes, politicians do make political capital but how can he say we have the best rates in the world when we haven't.
The basic facts are that the incidence of Covid and the death rates England v Wales overall are virtually identical despite people arguing on this board that one is better than the other
In terms of over 18's (a different figure to those you've mentioned in your post) England is leading the way in the UK for two jabs and has about 5% more done than Wales but Wales is leading the way in terms of one jabs and is about 10% higher than next nation (England) within the UK.
We have the best rates in terms of first doses and part of that is the different strategy employed. One dose of the vaccine is about 33% effective two weeks after against the Delta variant so it might not end up being the best strategy but presumably it's quicker to second dose a population than first and second dose so we'll see how it develops and how we evaluate with hindsight. At the moment we can remember criticism when Drakeford said it wasn't a race and be glad so many are coming forward.
I'm sure the OP won't pay attention to these facts because they prefer your analysis though.
In terms of the OP, this is turning into whether they should respect rules of Wales if it's different to what they want to do. As TLG said earlier, it's seems they've made up their mind already.
Wales has fewer ICU beds per 100,000 than England so that's one reason to suggest that if Wales only has same death rates as England despite this then the Welsh strategy has worked better. At the end of the day the biggest mistakes have been putting people back into care homes (all nations did this) and lack of action taken at winter with Scotland taking action first (and having the reduced spike to show for it) and England taking action last (with the highest spike of deaths to show for it). It's unlikely we find out definitively which was best so will continue to be more opinion than clear analysis.
Re: Stupid quarantine rules in Wales...do I ignore it?
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Originally Posted by
Hilts
If that's correct, and it looks like it is, then I apologise. So what's happening is that Wales is publishing official data daily showing the number of vaccinations administered on our official public health websites and it is inaccurate? So the data published for 5 June is for jabs given on 31 May??..Yet the politicians in Wales see the complete picture in real time?
And more puzzling is that the data shows the weekend fall offs in number of jabs given that you would normally expect. I note the BBC says GPs reporting data, so maybe all the data done in Community hubs is in real time??