Fordism and the deskilling process involved is one of the reasons we do not have the highly skilled workforce we one had.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Mon, 27 July 2015 20:50
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Fordism and the deskilling process involved is one of the reasons we do not have the highly skilled workforce we one had.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Mon, 27 July 2015 20:50
I agree the public sector faced much needed reduction in size to remove the very obvious bloat that had developed. That doesn't mean services were decimated.
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Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Mon, 27 July 2015 21:08
Vimana (or even archie)
Which essential public services that we all rely on have been decimated?
No area of the public sector has been immune to cuts. All areas have had to reduce the service they deliver.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 07:11
There's not much left to privatise either!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 07:11
good griefQuote:
Originally Posted by jon1959 wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 08:46
we have seen the term 'swingeing' being used when referencing the cuts - that is synonymous with decimate. cuts may have been made but not all services have diminished. you short change the workers in the public sector. they are more than capable of delivering more for less even and perhaps you should consider this as it comes across that you think the solution to everything is more money and more workers this is not the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 08:43
You do amuse me Mr Feedback. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
You seem torn between attempts to convince others (and maybe yourself?) that you're not a free market ideologue and then the mask slips and it's clear to everyone that you're a slave to your ideology. A man on the political fringes every bit as much as those on the hard left.
Keep it coming though. Your contributions are comedy gold. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Time and time again we see the least well off and the vulnerable being at the sharp end of cuts, but people who do not have to deal with the problems often deny they exist because they do not impact on them directly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 10:49
where have I hinted at that? I'm all for the free market, its what drives innovation, prosperity and improves living standards.Quote:
Originally Posted by alfie sherwood wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 12:46
before we go any further can you define swingeing please?Quote:
Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 12:57
So, I take it your 'Damascus' moment that saw you open your eyes to the nonsense of ideology driven free market dogma was short lived, yes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 15:11
the two aren't mutually exclusive here. You can appreciate the best option is somewhere between capitalism and socialism whilst at the same time wishing to see a market that is free to establish what the people want rather than what others wish the people to wantQuote:
Originally Posted by alfie sherwood wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 15:50
I'm not asking you whether you believe that a free market is overall the best economic model. I'm asking you whether you are a free market ideologue. Because today you indicated that you are but very recently you made it clear that you favoured practicality over ideology. So, are you are pragmatism? Or are you wedded to ideology?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 16:00
I'm not wedded to any ideology in the slightest.
It was you who first referenced free market ideology on this thread and not me. But since you raised it (I don't know why) let me make my position clear.
The free market allows humans to freely determine worth and value and exchange goods and services. The state will intervene on occasion through regulation and taxation to provide corrections to the market that are deemed counter to the overall benefit of society. As an example a pollution factory could be legislated against or taxed to ensure the environment is cleaned accordingly.
The free market in this instance will determine the value of what the factory produces and society will decide via taxation or legislation whether the cost to wider society is fair. That cost is then passed on via the market and if the cost is too great then the market dissappears.
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Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 15:16
"Over 10 years we will have lost about 70,000 posts and I don't think it's possible to carry on doing what we've always done, as we will just fail the public but also cause unacceptable stress among our officers and staff," she said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 07:11
droll. The definitions are very similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 17:41
That's a cut to budget. Whilst the article says they don't think they can carry on delivering the service, that doesn't mean that's a givenQuote:
Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 17:55
My point was not to argue about the defintions, merely to suggest that arguing about the definitions is well --- you work it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 18:10
If you are going to use that sort of logic, you cannot blame people when they say you defned the tories no matter what.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 18:11
I used the term decimated. You said no such term had ever been used. I said swingeing had been used suggesting swingeing and decimated were synonymous. You're arguing for the sake of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 18:14
I'm drawing on my experience as an accountant having worked through many M&As where budgets have halved but service levels maintained.Quote:
Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 18:16