Re: These new laws that were used to arrest everyone for any Republic protests
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
arrested on no evidence and forced to miss a once I a lifetime event that she'd probably spent a fair bit on attending.
would she have grounds for some kind of compensation?
She should really join the protestors next time.
Re: These new laws that were used to arrest everyone for any Republic protests
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
arrested on no evidence and forced to miss a once I a lifetime event that she'd probably spent a fair bit on attending.
would she have grounds for some kind of compensation?
Absolutely she willl.
Re: These new laws that were used to arrest everyone for any Republic protests
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Originally Posted by
ninian opinian
Disgraceful, this is the closest the UK has been to being a fascist state in my lifetime.
Re: These new laws that were used to arrest everyone for any Republic protests
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Disgraceful, this is the closest the UK has been to being a fascist state in my lifetime.
That is absolutely ridiculous.
Because someone stood next to people who very very very likely were there to disrupt the event was held by mistake for a period of time and then released? In fascist states, such people don't get their stories shared on twitter!
For months and months Just Stop Oil have been completely disrupting people's livelihoods and day to day lives with numerous consequences.
It's very unfortunate for this lady and she should explore grounds for recourse. But fascism?
There quite literally are people in this country who would have gladly thrown a bomb at this event. Just Stop Oil are not like that, but the police had an incredibly difficult job. It's amazing how many people don't recognise it, jump on any issue and label it fascism.
Re: These new laws that were used to arrest everyone for any Republic protests
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
That is absolutely ridiculous.
We’ve had this conversation before and I still think you’re wrong - what period of your life time better suits the description?
Surprised to see you in this thread again after your previous contributions to it.
Re: These new laws that were used to arrest everyone for any Republic protests
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Disgraceful, this is the closest the UK has been to being a fascist state in my lifetime.
Censorship, (and there has been plenty of that ) in whatever form it takes, is always the most obvious and surest indicator of evil at work, and of where that evil resides.
As far as I know nobody has ever censored a lie.
Re: These new laws that were used to arrest everyone for any Republic protests
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Originally Posted by
TWGL1
Censorship, (and there has been plenty of that ) in whatever form it takes, is always the most obvious and surest indicator of evil at work, and of where that evil resides.
As far as I know nobody has ever censored a lie.
of course people have censored lies in the past
Re: These new laws that were used to arrest everyone for any Republic protests
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
of course people have censored lies in the past
Really, they are normally just ignored or ridiculed.
Re: These new laws that were used to arrest everyone for any Republic protests
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Originally Posted by
ninian opinian
Absolutely shocking! An utter disgrace!
Re: These new laws that were used to arrest everyone for any Republic protests
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Originally Posted by
TWGL1
Really, they are normally just ignored or ridiculed.
pretty much every social media sites have mechanisms for removing unsubstantiated or erroneous information presented as facts.
or to put it another way, censoring lies.
sometimes the lies can be extremely harmful i.e. "MMR vaccines causing autism "
Re: These new laws that were used to arrest everyone for any Republic protests
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
pretty much every social media sites have mechanisms for removing unsubstantiated or erroneous information presented as facts.
or to put it another way, censoring lies.
sometimes the lies can be extremely harmful i.e. "MMR vaccines causing autism "
Yes I guess you correct on that in respect of social media , but I was referring to the main news platforms and news agencies. They, in the main, have mechanisms that remove content its main financial benefactors don’t want people to see. Free speech as we know it is being censored.
Re: These new laws that were used to arrest everyone for any Republic protests
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Originally Posted by
Dorcus
Absolutely shocking! An utter disgrace!
BBC News - Coronation: Royal fan held for 13 hours after being mistaken for protester
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65567316
Re: These new laws that were used to arrest everyone for any Republic protests
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
We’ve had this conversation before and I still think you’re wrong - what period of your life time better suits the description?
Surprised to see you in this thread again after your previous contributions to it.
Well, firstly I wouldn't use such language cos I think it's hyperbolic. You could argue that any other govt on earth is either moving towards fascism or Stalinism in that case. It's quite Trumpian way of looking at it. So no, even if I viewed this new law as being such, I wouldn't view any shift to the right as a step to fascism and I don't view the govt taking over Trans Pennine trains as evidence we are on the road to communism either.
That said, to answer the question, I would say that by a country mile the closest we have been was during Covid when the govt successfully kept us indoors, any dissent was not allowed, criticism derided as anti-science, cash was refused in many places and enormous rights were taken away.
So in my lifetime the closest we've been by far was then.
Re: These new laws that were used to arrest everyone for any Republic protests
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Well, firstly I wouldn't use such language cos I think it's hyperbolic. You could argue that any other govt on earth is either moving towards fascism or Stalinism in that case. It's quite Trumpian way of looking at it. So no, even if I viewed this new law as being such, I wouldn't view any shift to the right as a step to fascism and I don't view the govt taking over Trans Pennine trains as evidence we are on the road to communism either.
That said, to answer the question, I would say that by a country mile the closest we have been was during Covid when the govt successfully kept us indoors, any dissent was not allowed, criticism derided as anti-science, cash was refused in many places and enormous rights were taken away.
So in my lifetime the closest we've been by far was then.
Right, so your answer is the same Government as I nominated, yet it’s “absolutely ridiculous” whenI say it :shrug:
Re: These new laws that were used to arrest everyone for any Republic protests
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the other bob wilson
Right, so your answer is the same Government as I nominated, yet it’s “absolutely ridiculous” whenI say it :shrug:
No, I said this: ."So no, even if I viewed this new law as being such, I wouldn't view any shift to the right as a step to fascism and I don't view the govt taking over Trans Pennine trains as evidence we are on the road to communism either."
Also, the rules here were set by the Welsh Govt. So actually, in the hypothetical world where we are heading to fascism, my example is from the Welsh Labour govt and the UK Tory govt.
It is, in my opinion, ridiculous to mention fascism in relation to this story.