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Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Power to the people :
Ministers are to review rules on sales of non-essential items that have been criticised in a petition signed by more than 60,000 people.
Supermarkets have been told to close parts of their stores that sell items such as clothes, bedding and toys during Wales' firebreak lockdown.
First Minister Mark Drakeford said implementation of the rule may be tweaked, but it would not be reversed.
The petition is now the largest ever submitted to the Senedd.
They should have a debate in the senydd, maybe 2 weeks today
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Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods
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Originally Posted by
Bluebina
He has just given people an excuse to kick back, no one really cares whether they are taped off or not, what we are seeing is people saying he can't tell me what to do/buy, and other people saying yes he can it's for our own good, basically a battle between rule followers and rule-breakers or people who have had enough.
Basically a battle between people who accept this is shit but a hand brake needs applying to stop the virus spreading and it may only be for a few weeks
And on the other side, a bunch of silly twats
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Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
They should have a debate in the senydd, maybe 2 weeks today
It's looking like a big con. The Senedd petitions website says that this petition will be discussed by the Petitions committee for debate in the Senedd once all signatures are in by the deadline of 23 April 2021....only six months to go before it can be discussed.
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Hopefully the WAG can get back to giving the message as to why we're in the Firebreak for 2 weeks and on whose advice they took.
People seem to have forgotten that this was SAGE's advice that Boris has ignored, but Drakeford has listened to and implemented.
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Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Power to the people :
Ministers are to review rules on sales of non-essential items that have been criticised in a petition signed by more than 60,000 people.
Supermarkets have been told to close parts of their stores that sell items such as clothes, bedding and toys during Wales' firebreak lockdown.
First Minister Mark Drakeford said implementation of the rule may be tweaked, but it would not be reversed.
The petition is now the largest ever submitted to the Senedd.
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The police have rounded them up and sent them back to Wales
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Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods
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Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
It's looking like a big con. The Senedd petitions website says that this petition will be discussed by the Petitions committee for debate in the Senedd once all signatures are in by the deadline of 23 April 2021....only six months to go before it can be discussed.
That's brilliant news perhaps we can have a nice chat about it then and in the meantime get on with saving lives
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Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods
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Originally Posted by
Bluebina
He has just given people an excuse to kick back, no one really cares whether they are taped off or not, what we are seeing is people saying he can't tell me what to do/buy, and other people saying yes he can it's for our own good, basically a battle between rule followers and rule-breakers or people who have had enough.
Indeed. What Drakeford and Co have done in this particular instance is brought in a measure that appears petty and will have no practical benefit whatsoever, but will instead cause unnecessary irritation and confusion, and will deflect attention from the most important message, which should be to stay out of other people's houses for a few weeks.
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Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Indeed. What Drakeford and Co have done in this particular instance is brought in a measure that appears petty and will have no practical benefit whatsoever, but will instead cause unnecessary irritation and confusion, and will deflect attention from the most important message, which should be to stay out of other people's houses for a few weeks.
Do you actually buy the its mainly spread by people going into other households.?
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Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods
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Originally Posted by
Hilts
Do you actually buy the its mainly spread by people going into other households.?
That's what the experts are apparently saying, including Drakeford himself.
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Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
And there was me thinking it was the young and left wingers who were supposed to be the snowflakes :hehe:.
People are edgy, understandable i suppose. I've not sat down and attempted to work out the logic of not being able to buy non essential goods, i really can't be arsed. One thing is for sure though; if that's all that people have a gripe about concerning this government then they can't be doing that bad.
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Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods
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lisvaneblue
I liked the old system when the NHS looked after us rather than the other way around
Was that the case during the last Pandemic, or the one before that?
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Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Power to the people :
Ministers are to review rules on sales of non-essential items that have been criticised in a petition signed by more than 60,000 people.
Supermarkets have been told to close parts of their stores that sell items such as clothes, bedding and toys during Wales' firebreak lockdown.
First Minister Mark Drakeford said implementation of the rule may be tweaked, but it would not be reversed.
The petition is now the largest ever submitted to the Senedd.
And we have homelessness out of control, NHS workers offered a duff deal on pay and conditions, education failing kids in the poorest communities, services slashed and a huge loss of funding to Wales due to leaving the EU, yet someone can't buy some tealight candles for a fortnight and there's ****ing Meltdown. The biggest petition ever submitted to the senedd you say? Yup, Power to the people and no delay!
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Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods
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Originally Posted by
Hilts
Do you actually buy the its mainly spread by people going into other households.?
I do, some people are taking the piss. I know a few people who have had a crowd over for kids parties etc.
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Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
That's what the experts are apparently saying, including Drakeford himself.
Yes ive heard several politicians as well as Drakeford. I just dont believe its the main cause of the spread.
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Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods
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Originally Posted by
Hilts
Yes ive heard several politicians as well as Drakeford. I just dont believe its the main cause of the spread.
What do you reckon is the main cause? Or any significant cause? It’s really hard to know what to believe as there is so much conflicting ‘expert’ opinion, but what’s your take on it?
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Tuerto
I do, some people are taking the piss. I know a few people who have had a crowd over for kids parties etc.
Yeah I agree it happens and people have no doubt caught it and spread it that way.
However its simply passed by person to person contact. Problem is these are areas where restrictions/closures affect businesses and the economy.
Id say the number 1 area for spreading is probably hospitality during the night. Of course our world class track and trace is an utter shambles so we cant check anywhere near enough contacts. If say schools , universities , the workplace are all ahead of people mixing in others households as a spreader
Just an opinion of course.
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Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
What do you reckon is the main cause? Or any significant cause? It’s really hard to know what to believe as there is so much conflicting ‘expert’ opinion, but what’s your take on it?
See my reply to Tuerto.😃
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It seems that a few petulant fools - plus Tory spokesmen of course - moaning gets turned by the media into ‘a stream of criticism’. Anything to divert from kids going hungry I suppose.
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Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
What do you reckon is the main cause? Or any significant cause? It’s really hard to know what to believe as there is so much conflicting ‘expert’ opinion, but what’s your take on it?
I'd put serious money on the purchase of non essential goods are way down the pecking order of spreading this virus
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Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
I'd put serious money on the purchase of non essential goods are way down the pecking order of spreading this virus
Would you accept that most virus spread has happened indoors with the longer period of time you are indoors, especially if not socially distancing, the more likely you are to come into contact with it? Essential goods, non-essential goods doesn't really make a difference but it's unjustifiable to suggest shops stop selling essential items.
If people are wearing masks and socially distancing then, well, this all seems a bit OTT as well as depressing.
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
What do you reckon is the main cause? Or any significant cause? It’s really hard to know what to believe as there is so much conflicting ‘expert’ opinion, but what’s your take on it?
I heard from a doctor specialising in microbiology that the main risk is person to person contact by being within one metre of someone for more than 10 minutes particularly if indoors
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Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods
Are we entering a dystopian society
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Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Are we entering a dystopian society
No.
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Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Are we entering a dystopian society
No, were trying to avoid a Trumpian society
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Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods
The virus spreads most easily in crowded confined spaces especially where people are engaged in activities which result in higher numbers of virus particles being expelled. The risk of becoming infected is in large part determined by how long someone is in contact with an infected person, for how long and how infectious the person is. The NHS Covid-19 app for contact tracing defines a high risk encounter as one where an individual has been within 2 metres of someone who has tested positive for Coronavirus for at least 15 minutes during 1 day (of course it cannot determine whether someone is indoors or outdoors which is a major determinant of infection risk).
This is why people socialising indoors represent a much higher risk and people active outdoors and socially distancing present a low (negligible?) risk. It follows there is not much evidence to suggest shopping in a supermarket in controlled conditons makes a very significant contribution to case numbers. This is likely because encounters with other people shopping are mostly transient so the exposure is too brief to result in transmission and also the large size of the store and controlled numbers of shoppers.
According to WOL the Welsh Government’s abrupt policy change last Thursday was due to Conservative MS Russell George saying it was "unfair" to force independent clothing and hardware retailers to shut while similar goods were on sale in major supermarkets. In other words the policy change was made for narrow party political reasons ahead of public health concerns about the risk of virus transmission. Unfortunately the resulting fiasco has created a situation where attention has been deflected from the serious situation Wales finds itself in.
If the Welsh Government had planned this policy properly and followed the science and also sought the expertise of the supermarkets in good time then this situation would have been avoided. It sounds like a partial U-turn will be announced later which will sensibly allow supermarkets to use their discretion on the purchase of non-essential items. Lets hope that the focus can then move back onto far more important public health matters.