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Re: The most spineless PM in living memory?
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Originally Posted by
CCFCC3PO
It's amazing how well the cabinet are defending Cummings. It's a shame they weren't anywhere near as diligent when defending care homes hey?
I started off feeling sorry for Schapps on Marr just then, being chucked under ironically a bus. But his staunch defence of Cummings at the end was sickening
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Re: The most spineless PM in living memory?
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Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
Thanks for thinking about me TLG. Funny how things work out.
Now that Garden centres are open I'll be off to Chepstow Garden Centre for a click and collect as they have the climber I want in stock. As it happens the butcher I use in Abergavenny has a branch on the premises, so a bit of shopping there is on the cards. If the weather holds its then over the bridge to W-S-M for sun and sand, but must make sure the meat stays cold so I'll probably use the camper van, with the option of staying over for a night.
Thing is my freezer is low on fish and I normally buy that in bulk at the quay at Brixham, but with the bank holiday he's closed until Wednesday. Im sure I'll work something out.
Well let's hope you don't spread Coronavirus on any of your unnecessary trips then eh. Still, as long as you have a nice time, that's the most important thing
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Re: The most spineless PM in living memory?
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Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
Thanks for thinking about me TLG. Funny how things work out.
Now that Garden centres are open I'll be off to Chepstow Garden Centre for a click and collect as they have the climber I want in stock. As it happens the butcher I use in Abergavenny has a branch on the premises, so a bit of shopping there is on the cards. If the weather holds its then over the bridge to W-S-M for sun and sand, but must make sure the meat stays cold so I'll probably use the camper van, with the option of staying over for a night.
Just make sure you don't sit on a bench at any stage or you'll have to sack yourself, you smug Tory twat.
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Re: The most spineless PM in living memory?
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The Lone Gunman
Just make sure you don't sit on a bench at any stage or you'll have to sack yourself, you smug Tory twat.
I’m not smug, and for the record if we had an election tomorrow Keir Starmer would get my vote
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Re: The most spineless PM in living memory?
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lisvaneblue
I’m not smug, and for the record if we had an election tomorrow Keir Starmer would get my vote
You haven't addressed the 'twat' part :hehe:
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Re: The most spineless PM in living memory?
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lisvaneblue
I’m not smug, and for the record if we had an election tomorrow Keir Starmer would get my vote
Your post this morning was extremely smug, but given the attitude of the Tory cabinet and their minions in recent days it's not surprising that the attitude of the voters who elected them is following a similar course.
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Re: The most spineless PM in living memory?
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splott parker
Being PM though he had the opportunity to step back away from the shitstorm.
Blair adopted US foreign policy, Thatcher didn't, by the way, the UK Government had tried to get rid of Las Malvinas on a couple of occasions before the Argentine Invasion. What we are seeing now in the Middle East is a direct result of UK and American Foreign policy. We completely de stabilised an already unstable region by invading, occupying and attempting to put in place our own and more convenient type of democracy and allowed factions who hated each over to rise up and subsequently created a civil war where people are still being murdered to this day. Sadly, it's not news anymore, people are bored of it. The Tories also supported the invasion and the Lib Dems supported 'Our Troops' once the invasion had started.
These criminal actions by Blair and Bush have completely destabilised the whole world, born out of the invasion was ISIS and their merry followers and a rise in islamophobia and the fascist right. The UK's involvement led to huge amounts of refugees, death and suffering, nobody was spared which probably couldn't be said about that Evil bastard Saddam Hussein who we loved dealing with during the mid to late eighties. It has affected politics in the UK as well, a rise in the neo right, racism and xenophobia, leading to post colonial fallout in the most deprived areas that labour should have helped and supported, which always results in reactionary behaviour like voting to leave the EU because of foreigners and electing Boris-Same in the states with Trump.
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Re: The most spineless PM in living memory?
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Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
I’m not smug, and for the record if we had an election tomorrow Keir Starmer would get my vote
Have some conviction.
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Re: The most spineless PM in living memory?
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Your post this morning was extremely smug, but given the attitude of the Tory cabinet and their minions in recent days it's not surprising that the attitude of the voters who elected them is following a similar course.
But.....I would not vote for Drakeford. I think his group over the years has let their voters down big time
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Re: The most spineless PM in living memory?
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lisvaneblue
But.....I would not vote for Drakeford. I think his group over the years has let their voters down big time
I tend to agree with this. However, there's absolutely nothing from recent Westminster governments that make me think they'd be better for Wales than what we have. In fact, I'm almost certain that if the Senedd became Tory ruled, Wales would take an even bigger step backwards. I reckon they'd do their best to get rid of the ability we have in Wales for people in Wales to make decisions in Wales about and for everyone in Wales, rather than being told what to do by London all of the time.
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Re: The most spineless PM in living memory?
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SLUDGE FACTORY
I went out and bought some meat and two veg today and stuffed it down my trousers
Hope you went on a bus as thats for essential travellers and those needing to get to work safely
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Re: The most spineless PM in living memory?
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lisvaneblue
But.....I would not vote for Drakeford. I think his group over the years has let their voters down big time
Think a lot of folk agree , a lot of them are traditional Labour voters, will be intresting to see how the May election results , Labour lost 6 seats ,probably down to Corbyn dislike and Brexit , with those issues removed it will be of interest to everyone within Wales and beyond as a barometer of the political climate post Covid.
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Eric the Half a Bee
I tend to agree with this. However, there's absolutely nothing from recent Westminster governments that make me think they'd be better for Wales than what we have. In fact, I'm almost certain that if the Senedd became Tory ruled, Wales would take an even bigger step backwards. I reckon they'd do their best to get rid of the ability we have in Wales for people in Wales to make decisions in Wales about and for everyone in Wales, rather than being told what to do by London all of the time.
Hypothetical really as the Tories have never had a chance in Wales. Allweknow for sure is that the current incumbents have done for the country they represent
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Re: The most spineless PM in living memory?
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Heisenberg
You haven't addressed the 'twat' part :hehe:
I’ve been called worse by the missus
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Re: The most spineless PM in living memory?
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The Lone Gunman
Your post this morning was extremely smug, but given the attitude of the Tory cabinet and their minions in recent days it's not surprising that the attitude of the voters who elected them is following a similar course.
Lets not forget that many people who voted Boris in, including life long labour supporters, did so for one thing....Deliver Brexit, and they knew it was unlikely to happen with Corbyn in power
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Re: The most spineless PM in living memory?
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
Blair adopted US foreign policy, Thatcher didn't, by the way, the UK Government had tried to get rid of Las Malvinas on a couple of occasions before the Argentine Invasion. What we are seeing now in the Middle East is a direct result of UK and American Foreign policy. We completely de stabilised an already unstable region by invading, occupying and attempting to put in place our own and more convenient type of democracy and allowed factions who hated each over to rise up and subsequently created a civil war where people are still being murdered to this day. Sadly, it's not news anymore, people are bored of it. The Tories also supported the invasion and the Lib Dems supported 'Our Troops' once the invasion had started.
These criminal actions by Blair and Bush have completely destabilised the whole world, born out of the invasion was ISIS and their merry followers and a rise in islamophobia and the fascist right. The UK's involvement led to huge amounts of refugees, death and suffering, nobody was spared which probably couldn't be said about that Evil bastard Saddam Hussein who we loved dealing with during the mid to late eighties. It has affected politics in the UK as well, a rise in the neo right, racism and xenophobia, leading to post colonial fallout in the most deprived areas that labour should have helped and supported, which always results in reactionary behaviour like voting to leave the EU because of foreigners and electing Boris-Same in the states with Trump.
I will never forget the image of bush and blair in cowboys boots and jackets strutting around the White House lawns , supposedly deep in thought
Pair of fire starters
Praying to god
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Re: The most spineless PM in living memory?
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Hope you went on a bus as thats for essential travellers and those needing to get to work safely
I walked
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Re: The most spineless PM in living memory?
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
I'm by and large anti-war, anti-violence, sort things out by peaceful and diplomatic means.
Thatcher got huge support for the Falklands. It's reckoned that it saved her premiership. She also was PM when we went to war in Iraq the first time. I can't remember her being vilified at the time.
Blair did the same as Thatcher and got vilified. I remember the time that Saddam Hussein's statue was toppled. That symbolism was well received in the UK and, from memory, was well celebrated.
It strikes me that it's a bit odd that Thatcher never really suffered the public outrage years later for her wars, yet Blair did. Perhaps I'm missing something. BTW I'm not saying that I agree with Blair's actions but it's arguable that the whole middle eastern spiral started long before he came along.
I get your point about the difference between the reaction to Thatchers wars and Blairs wars.
There was one basic difference. In both thatchers wars she was defending a country that had been unlawfully invaded, The Falklands and Kuwait.
in Blair's case he was helping to invade a sovereign country.
Big difference in the eyes of ordinary people, morally. you only need to look at the help we had in the Falklands and the number of nations involved in Kuwait to see it.
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Re: The most spineless PM in living memory?
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lisvaneblue
Lets not forget that many people who voted Boris in, including life long labour supporters, did so for one thing....Deliver Brexit, and they knew it was unlikely to happen with Corbyn in power
I think the decision to deliver brexit as it were is going to take fecking years and once it's down we can have another referendum because after a few years the public will realise what a monumentally stupid decision leaving europe was . Then when the decision is made to go cap in hand back to europe we will be right in the deep stuff .
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Re: The most spineless PM in living memory?
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lisvaneblue
Hypothetical really as the Tories have never had a chance in Wales. Allweknow for sure is that the current incumbents have done for the country they represent
It's hardly hypothetical. Are you saying their performance in Westminster would in no way represent what they would do in Wales? Really? That's akin to saying that the Greens have never had a chance so we don't know what they would do. I'd have a pretty shrewd guess, wouldn't you?
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Re: The most spineless PM in living memory?
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
I get your point about the difference between the reaction to Thatchers wars and Blairs wars.
There was one basic difference. In both thatchers wars she was defending a country that had been unlawfully invaded, The Falklands and Kuwait.
in Blair's case he was helping to invade a sovereign country.
Big difference in the eyes of ordinary people, morally. you only need to look at the help we had in the Falklands and the number of nations involved in Kuwait to see it.
I agree with all that. It still doesn't answer the fact that when Saddam Hussein was finally overthrown, it was celebrated in the UK. I reckon that, at the time it was happening, the second Gulf war was largely supported by the public. Not by me, I might add.
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Re: The most spineless PM in living memory?
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Why does the Cummings story matter? And what does it obscure? The real story is the huge transfer of government assets to private companies that he is overseeing under cover of a pandemic while restructuring the Cabinet Office into his & <a href="https://twitter.com/michaelgove?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@michaelgove</a>'s private fiefdom<br>1/</p>— Carole Cadwalladr (@carolecadwalla) <a href="https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1264141088010493954?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 23, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Interesting twitter thread.
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Re: The most spineless PM in living memory?
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CCFCC3PO
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Why does the Cummings story matter? And what does it obscure? The real story is the huge transfer of government assets to private companies that he is overseeing under cover of a pandemic while restructuring the Cabinet Office into his & <a href="https://twitter.com/michaelgove?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@michaelgove</a>'s private fiefdom<br>1/</p>— Carole Cadwalladr (@carolecadwalla) <a href="https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1264141088010493954?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 23, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Interesting twitter thread.
Is this another conspiracy theory? "huge transfer of government assets to private companies" Shirley someone might spot that?
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Re: The most spineless PM in living memory?
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xsnaggle
Is this another conspiracy theory? "huge transfer of government assets to private companies" Shirley someone might spot that?
Carole Cadwalladr was also accused of being a conspiracy theorist on the Cambridge Analytica story, so she is probably used to being dismissed as such.
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Re: The most spineless PM in living memory?
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CCFCC3PO
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Why does the Cummings story matter? And what does it obscure? The real story is the huge transfer of government assets to private companies that he is overseeing under cover of a pandemic while restructuring the Cabinet Office into his & <a href="https://twitter.com/michaelgove?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@michaelgove</a>'s private fiefdom<br>1/</p>— Carole Cadwalladr (@carolecadwalla) <a href="https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1264141088010493954?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 23, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Interesting twitter thread.
Save the NHS....whilst privatising education by the back door. Tax breaks for private health insurance for some and an increase in stealth taxes for everyone. Not straight away. Wont look good for the Midlanders and those up north that voted blue.