Yesterday's attendance - some facts and figures

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 10:22

Yesterday's official attendance of 15,429 was the smallest by some distance for a Football League fixture at the Cardiff City Stadium. The previous lowest figure was 17,686 for a 2-0 victory over Peterborough United on a Tuesday evening in February 2010.

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Originally Posted by NigelBlues wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 10:16

The crowd against Fulham was the smallest for a Cardiff City home league game since May 2008, when 14,469 turned out at Ninian Park to watch the Bluebirds beat Barnsley 3-0 a fortnight before the FA Cup final.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 10:11

Yesterday's attendance was Cardiff's lowest on the opening weekend of a Football League season since way back in August 1999, when 10,193 saw the Bluebirds draw 1-1 with Millwall in the old Second Division, or League One as it is now known.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 09:41

Before the current season, Cardiff City had had home fixtures on the opening weekends of six other Football League campaigns since 1999. The attendances for the relevant matches were: 17,403 (v Wycombe Wanderers in 2001), 18,840 (v Stoke City in 2007), 19,749 (v Southampton in 2008), 22,264 (v Scunthorpe United in 2009), 20,573 (v Sheffield United in 2010) and 21,127 (v Huddersfield Town in 2012).

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The red wearing wankers have moved along now. Back to the hardcore .... http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 14:25

There you go - that wasn't hard was it

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Originally Posted by Toronto wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 14:22

No, it wasn't. But then it didn't make the initial contribution any more valid or interesting either.

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Perhaps not but we are now a lot clearer on the fact that everything associated with the last few years has possibly cost the club as many as 50 people you know personally who used to be fans but are no longer 'interested' in anything to do with it anymore. (Apart from those who can't stay away from commenting on it... Obviously)

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 09:41

Yesterday's official attendance of 15,429 was the smallest by some distance for a Football League fixture at the Cardiff City Stadium. The previous lowest figure was 17,686 for a 2-0 victory over Peterborough United on a Tuesday evening in February 2010.

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so what !!!

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Originally Posted by Toronto wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 14:32

Perhaps not but we are now a lot clearer on the fact that everything associated with the last few years has possibly cost the club as many as 50 people you know personally who used to be fans but are no longer 'interested' in anything to do with it anymore. (Apart from those who can't stay away from commenting on it... Obviously)

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That's nonsense.

Better crowd than I expected.

Much better atmosphere than it has been for a long long time.

Those that did turn up sang more than we have had for a while.

It felt like watching my Cardiff City for the first time in a couple of years.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 14:27

Whilst from a data integrity perspective I'm interested in how many you know personally, your estimates in this response add no value as they are unsubstantiated.

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Originally Posted by Toronto wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 14:27

Indeed. So it was a waste of time asking for them, really.

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Only after clarity pal. Sort of renders the original comment meaningless as well eh?

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Originally Posted by Toronto wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 14:38

Only after clarity pal. Sort of renders the original comment meaningless as well eh?

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 14:35

Better crowd than I expected.

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I'm too far away to return with any regularity now, but hope to catch a few and join in the noise. I've missed that.

Blue is clearly not working.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 11:53

Here's a prediction- if we start playing great football and winning I think crowds will go up. If we are not doing well then I think crowds may go down.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 11:06

It really is as simple as that- and was always the case regardless of the colour we played in. Surely there is nobody who thinks otherwise? So what's the debate here?

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As it is attendances are an almost perfect direct correlation to results and performances- you seem to be suggesting (and have tried to suggest this for 3 years now) that the rebrand has had/ did have or even is having an impact on attendances- if so then apart from the handful of people you claim to know anecdotally then there is no evidence for that.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 15:49

As it is attendances are an almost perfect direct correlation to results and performances- you seem to be suggesting (and have tried to suggest this for 3 years now) that the rebrand has had/ did have or even is having an impact on attendances- if so then apart from the handful of people you claim to know anecdotally then there is no evidence for that.

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For many the evidence is fairly personal - from both our own decisions to attend or not or those we know. From this perspective it suggested to me that the club has lost a considerably percentage of their fans over the rebrand - some who have lost interest completely, whilst others just have less enthusiasm. Of course, I could be an exception in that regard though.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 15:49

Here's a prediction- if we start playing great football and winning I think crowds will go up. If we are not doing well then I think crowds may go down.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 11:53

It really is as simple as that- and was always the case regardless of the colour we played in. Surely there is nobody who thinks otherwise? So what's the debate here?

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 11:06

I wasn't aware there was a debate. Personally, I just find it interesting that attendances have now seemingly dipped to the lowest point in a decade. So much for Emperor Tan's 'vision', huh?

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Perhaps the measure that most shows that it did have an impact is posts like Jimmy Jimmy's - fans who are there now aren't going through the motions and stay behind the team when it isn't going so well, which you certainly didn't get during rebrand years.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 14:39

Only after clarity pal. Sort of renders the original comment meaningless as well eh?

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Originally Posted by Toronto wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 14:38

Maybe, pal. But then most of your comments are meaningless if the truth be told.

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Its fairly easy to understand

Gloaters love to Gloat

When we are doing sh1t, crowds will be down, lets be honest here, we knew crowds would be down, its hardly earth shattering news is it ? ? ? BUT as I said above, Gloaters love to Gloat, if we have a poor start, you can bet your last quid, up will pop a " this is the worse start for X amount of years " or " this is the 6th worse start for the last 20 years " you get the picture

Now if we have a good start, we will have silence, no posts about anything positive, thats just the way it is

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 14:34

Perhaps not but we are now a lot clearer on the fact that everything associated with the last few years has possibly cost the club as many as 50 people you know personally who used to be fans but are no longer 'interested' in anything to do with it anymore. (Apart from those who can't stay away from commenting on it... Obviously)

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Originally Posted by Toronto wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 14:32

That's nonsense.

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No loss

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 15:49

It would be interesting if attendances weren't a direct correlation to results and performances. Then it would be interesting to discuss why this was.

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Why do you think 3,411 fewer fans attended yesterday's game than attended the 2007 fixture? Any ideas?

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Originally Posted by Toronto wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 16:21

So you were lying about the number of people you knew then. 50 is according to you the absolute maximum number of people you know who've stopped going.

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No. You were lying when you said I know as many as 50 people who used to be fans but are no longer 'interested' in anything to do with the club anymore. I've never said any such thing.

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Originally Posted by Toronto wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 16:21

50 is according to you the absolute maximum number of people you know who've stopped going.

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This is also nonsense.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 16:25

So you were lying about the number of people you knew then. 50 is according to you the absolute maximum number of people you know who've stopped going.

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Originally Posted by Toronto wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 16:21

No. You were lying when you said I know as many as 50 people who used to be fans but are no longer 'interested' in anything to do with the club anymore. I've never said any such thing.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 16:31

50 is according to you the absolute maximum number of people you know who've stopped going.

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Originally Posted by Toronto wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 16:21

This is also nonsense.

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Oh

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Originally Posted by Toronto wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 16:31

"Ooh, let me see now....

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You'll note there is no mention of an "absolute maximum" of 50 people who have stopped attending matches and no mention of anyone who is no longer interested in anything to do with the club anymore, as you have suggested.

"Of the 50-100 people I know personally who boycotted the club during the re-brand, I'd say about 25-50 of them have been to the occasional game since it was reversed, but only one or possibly two have bought season tickets again"

So up to half of them haven't totally abandoned CCFC. Whilst I'd agree that 50 is not an 'absolute' number ( sorry I got carried away with the frivolity of your words) I am still drawn to the conclusion that you are indeed a liar my friend.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 16:34

"Ooh, let me see now....

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Originally Posted by Toronto wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 16:31

As an estimate I'd say I personally know more than 50 people who either stopped attending matches immediately following the re-brand or stopped during the first season, but less than 100."

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Oh, that's ok then. Thanks for clearing it up. Back tracker

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Originally Posted by Toronto wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 16:37

So up to half of them haven't totally abandoned CCFC. Whilst I'd agree that 50 is not an 'absolute' number ( sorry I got carried away with the frivolity of your words) I am still drawn to the conclusion that you are indeed a liar my friend.

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Incidentally, it would be unwise of you to refer to me as your friend again. You'd be lying if you did so. After all, I'm not your friend. You just wish I was.

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Originally Posted by Toronto wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 16:38

Oh, that's ok then. Thanks for clearing it up. Back tracker

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I haven't back-tracked at all. It seems you simply have difficulty in understanding plain English.