This NHS app

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Our blind opposition to any thing a government attempt to do , to make life better ?

There is a two way story in life , one can only hope the government of the day are trying to look after us , or you think they are up to something ???

I always wonder what the thoughts /comments of folk would be different if it was a different government in power , hey I 'm sure I'm wrong .

I would love to here from Sir Keir 's or the Liberals more often if I'm honest however I'm guessing they are in the same unknown dark place as the current government is where one has never experienced anything like this in our lifetime ??

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If Corbyn was in power, and had handled this in exactly the same way as the tories have then he would be getting absolutely crucified over it

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Our blind opposition to any thing a government attempt to do , to make life better ?

There is a two way story in life , one can only hope the government of the day are trying to look after us , or you think they are up to something ???

I always wonder what the thoughts /comments of folk would be different if it was a different government in power , hey I 'm sure I'm wrong .

I would love to here from Sir Keir 's or the Liberals more often if I'm honest however I'm guessing they are in the same unknown dark place as the current government is where one has never experienced anything like this in our lifetime ??

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I made a point of saying I don't know enough about the app either way yet to have an opinion on it one way or another. I was commenting only on an attitude which sees attacking a person based on them not being from this country and waving of the Union flag as an argument against the view of someone who has experience and expertise in the field being discussed - if people have to resort to stuff like that, it just tends to show how weak their argument is.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I made a point of saying I don't know enough about the app either way yet to have an opinion on it one way or another. I was commenting only on an attitude which sees attacking a person based on them not being from this country and waving of the Union flag as an argument against the view of someone who has experience and expertise in the field being discussed - if people have to resort to stuff like that, it just tends to show how weak their argument is.

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any positives out there for you ?

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Originally Posted by life on mars

any positives out there for you ?

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I don't know yet regarding the app. I'm minded to use it, but need to find out more about it first - I was surprised to hear that about it not being compatible with the ones other countries use though, always assuming that is true.

https://www.businessinsider.nl/cyber...rUgxZz6onjXIK4

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Or people could download something better that would be of benefit not to Britain but further afield as well.

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What do you suggest?

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

56% is a figure quoted by a body of Oxford University academics advising NHSX: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52294896

Mentioned in that article is the fact that only 12% of the population of Singapore used a similar tracking system - and that country is arguably more compliant than the UK population and at least as IT savvy, I would guess.

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The app has had success in Singapore. I am a bit surprised to see that only 12% of the population used it. Maybe the 60% sign up is being used as a prompter to get more people to sign up.

However, the overriding sentiment here is that it will fail, and it is based on little more than anecdotal evidence based on each poster's own reluctance to sign up. If people are using that as a reason to not use the app, then I think we are going into the grounds of confirmation bias.

I think the UK population will be more receptive, I hope so anyway, and I think they will be more open minded. Saying that, with the increased use of traffic, maybe people are reluctant to install an app that may show they are breaching the guidelines despite their repeated insistence that they are model citizens.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I was listening to a specialist in the sort of tech involved being interviewed on 5 Live yesterday about the app. She was concerned that the Government were trying to run before they could walk on this subject and that the App needed to be part of coordinated plan which she said was not in place yet and she also thought there would be problems because the app used a system that only the French one would be compatible with thereby putting us out of step with most other countries who were using a different system.

I don't know enough about the App to have an opinion on it either way yet and so am not sure whether I'd use it or not, but what I do want to say is that this professor was an American who now lives in this country and many of the negative responses she got back were purely because she was a foreigner. There was also the usual why are the BBC so negative, they should support the Government stuff, along with the implication that anyone who is critical of the Government is somehow being unpatriotic.

With very little respect, that's exactly how you come over, your opinions sound like they are based on blind, unquestioning loyalty to the Government and you are incredulous that anyone could think differently to you.

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My opinions are based upon wanting to help the Government sort out the situation that we find ourselves in and help get the country up and running again as soon as possible. Nothing that I have heard or read about the app they are using makes me worry about losing any privacy and even if it did, that is a small price to pay. The app is also under trial now and can be amended or improved as necessary before it is rolled out to the rest of us. It was designed by the NHS with security input from GCHQ, both good enough for me. If Labour were in charge and brought this forward, I would feel exactly the same way, so how you can accuse me of unquestioning loyalty to the current Government is just silly. People who don't want to get involved appear to have a distrust of anything the current Government try to do, so surely it is them that are being politically biased. The first four words of your final paragraph are also totally unnecessary, confirming your general condescending attitude to anything anyone who disagrees with your viewpoint posts.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I wonder what percentage of the population would need to download it to make it genuinely worthwhile?

Personally, I'm not at all comfortable with something I firmly believe is pie in the sky from the outset being used by this hopeless government as an excuse to either extend the lockdown or as an excuse for a higher death rate (ie: "well, they wouldn't download the app, so it's the public's fault.").

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66% has been quoted in the past.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I was listening to a specialist in the sort of tech involved being interviewed on 5 Live yesterday about the app. She was concerned that the Government were trying to run before they could walk on this subject and that the App needed to be part of coordinated plan which she said was not in place yet and she also thought there would be problems because the app used a system that only the French one would be compatible with thereby putting us out of step with most other countries who were using a different system.

I don't know enough about the App to have an opinion on it either way yet and so am not sure whether I'd use it or not, but what I do want to say is that this professor was an American who now lives in this country and many of the negative responses she got back were purely because she was a foreigner. There was also the usual why are the BBC so negative, they should support the Government stuff, along with the implication that anyone who is critical of the Government is somehow being unpatriotic.

With very little respect, that's exactly how you come over, your opinions sound like they are based on blind, unquestioning loyalty to the Government and you are incredulous that anyone could think differently to you.

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With regard to the app compared to other countries I don't see the relevance. The app is for people in this country. They could simply instruct anyone arriving by sea or air to download the app before leaving the terminal. clearly some may not have android phones but I imagine the vast majority would have. There is no reason for it to be compatible with other countries at all.

The comment about people saying the BBC is negative is because there are so many people being interview who say this or that is bad, perhaps disproportionate to those saying it is good, so some people have the opinion that if so-and-so "Expert" thought the thing in question was good they wouldn't be on the programme, that they only inivite people who will critisise. Whether that is true or not is another matter.

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Originally Posted by dml1954

confirming your general condescending attitude to anything anyone who disagrees with your viewpoint posts.

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Is this the most ironic sentence ever posted on here?

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

There is evidence that such an app can be effective.

There is no evidence that it will work here, but we have to try it at least. People claiming it is a waste of time before it has started are possibly finding living through this virus a lot easier than others are.

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I don't like the idea that the technology is shite and that it's a waste of time because of that, but I would give it a go to try and help combat the virus and allow us to return to normality quicker.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

With regard to the app compared to other countries I don't see the relevance. The app is for people in this country. They could simply instruct anyone arriving by sea or air to download the app before leaving the terminal.

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Why are you commenting when you clearly don't understand the point of the discussion?

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Why are you commenting when you clearly don't understand the point of the discussion?

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Why don't you fcuk off? What gives you the right to decide who comments in any discussion? you have no real interest in any subject, only in showing your self perceived superior knowledge to everyone else. Some people don't have time to surfvthe net to find any thing that will support what they want to say.

There is no reason for it to need to be compatible to other countries, it is irreleavant if no one is going abroad any time soon.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

Yes Delbox made an error, which The One Gunman has kindly clarified for the group

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Sorry Delmboy, I'll be more careful with my typing next time.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Why don't you fcuk off? What gives you the right to decide who comments in any discussion? you have no real interest in any subject, only in showing your self perceived superior knowledge to everyone else. Some people don't have time to surfvthe net to find any thing that will support what they want to say.

There is no reason for it to need to be compatible to other countries, it is irreleavant if no one is going abroad any time soon.

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So you don't think it is worthwhile for other countries to have easy access to easily transferable information from others that could aid an organised collective response to the virus? Surely, this is one instance where the nationalist, go it alone, approach should be shelved for something more coordinated?

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

So you don't think it is worthwhile for other countries to have easy access to easily transferable information from others that could aid an organised collective response to the virus? Surely, this is one instance where the nationalist, go it alone, approach should be shelved for something more coordinated?

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No I don't think that. But if someone is intending to travel abroad then we should be able to assume that they haven't got notification that they have already been in contact with a sufferer in this country. When they go to a different country they can download the app they are using. It takes seconds. It is really no different to obtaining a visa to go to another country. In any case, it is a very poor excuse, if someone were to make it, for not downloading the app and helping to trace the spread.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

No I don't think that. But if someone is intending to travel abroad then we should be able to assume that they haven't got notification that they have already been in contact with a sufferer in this country. When they go to a different country they can download the app they are using. It takes seconds. It is really no different to obtaining a visa to go to another country. In any case, it is a very poor excuse, if someone were to make it, for not downloading the app and helping to trace the spread.

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**** sake :hehe:

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

No I don't think that. But if someone is intending to travel abroad then we should be able to assume that they haven't got notification that they have already been in contact with a sufferer in this country. When they go to a different country they can download the app they are using. It takes seconds. It is really no different to obtaining a visa to go to another country. In any case, it is a very poor excuse, if someone were to make it, for not downloading the app and helping to trace the spread.

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So let's say that I pick up the virus in the UK, go to France and become ill on the day I arrive (people don't show symptoms straight away). My UK app says I'm clean, my France app says I'm ill. But there's no one for me to be traced with in France, I've picked it up in the UK. And the UK won't be alerted because the apps don't speak to each other.

This is the whole point of contact tracing. To trace who you've been in contact with.

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Originally Posted by lardy

So let's say that I pick up the virus in the UK, go to France and become ill on the day I arrive (people don't show symptoms straight away). My UK app says I'm clean, my France app says I'm ill. But there's no one for me to be traced with in France, I've picked it up in the UK. And the UK won't be alerted because the apps don't speak to each other.

This is the whole point of contact tracing. To trace who you've been in contact with.

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Close the boarders, thats how we got in this mess!

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Originally Posted by lardy

So let's say that I pick up the virus in the UK, go to France and become ill on the day I arrive (people don't show symptoms straight away). My UK app says I'm clean, my France app says I'm ill. But there's no one for me to be traced with in France, I've picked it up in the UK. And the UK won't be alerted because the apps don't speak to each other.

This is the whole point of contact tracing. To trace who you've been in contact with.

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But your france app will not say you are ill. The way it works is that if someone who has the app goes and gets a test which is positive, his prior movements are traced by the app and the people he has come into contact with are alerted.
It isn't to tell you you have the sickness it is to tell other people after you have physically gone for a test and proved positive.
How do you think this magic france app will tell you you are sick?

your UK app will still be on and you can alert the centre you have tested positive so they can inform others with the app. that's the idea

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Originally Posted by Bluebina

Close the boarders, thats how we got in this mess!

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Close all the borders until there is a virus?

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

But your france app will not say you are ill. The way it works is that if someone who has the app goes and gets a test which is positive, his prior movements are traced by the app and the people he has come into contact with are alerted.
It isn't to tell you you have the sickness it is to tell other people after you have physically gone for a test and proved positive.
How do you think this magic france app will tell you you are sick?

your UK app will still be on and you can alert the centre you have tested positive so they can inform others with the app. that's the idea

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No it isn't :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

No it isn't :hehe:

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Yes it is

The app is to trace the areas where the biggest outbreaks have occurred.