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Which i'm sure America has no interest in lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue
Just like their war in Iraq.
Listen to the youtube link i posted further up. It's only 5 minutes long. The Americans organised the coup in 2014 then hand picked a puppet leader but it's all Russia's fault
Would you agree that the development of said shelf would be against Russia's economic interests?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lither_1927
Also we've not mentioned Putins ramblings about Ukraine not even being a proper country and saying that it should come back into the fold?
I'll answer your question after you tell me about the American led coup of Ukraine in 2014. What do you think of that phone call?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue
I listened to it, I don't think it's quite the smoking gun that you think it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lither_1927
it seems to be post the 'revolution of dignity' and the Americans are trying to use their influence to make sure that whatever government that forms in the wake of that is stable and with the people they wanted involved.
seems pretty obvious that they would try to exert their influence there. I'm sure other countries were having similar conversations looking out for their own interests too.
why wouldn't they want a pro western / EU / USA government, after all the people wanted the Pro Putin / anti EU government outQuote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
isnt that what the Ukrainian protestors wanted aswell
WowQuote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
It's post revolution yes, a violent revolution backed by the CIA and George Soros. During the phone call they are clearly with confidence & AUTHORITY, picking and eliminating potential candidates to lead Ukraine. Democracy eh? Your backing of American imperialism and blindness to their global hedgemony is astounding, Even after hearing the phone call. I was right about you being a fanatic. There's a post for you further back, i wouldn't mind hearing your views on that...
Hello Matt, you think the Ukrainian people wanted a puppet leader picked by psychopaths in the US state department? How's that working out for Ukraine now?Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
there is no evidence in anything you've posted here that the revolution was backed by the CIA or 'Soros'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lither_1927
not sure what post you mean, and I'm not keen on trawling back through your deluded drivel to be honest.
I didn't say the phone call was evidence of Soros meddling. I don't need evidence for that, everybody knows that he does buy influence globally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
You are deluded if you think that phone call isn't evidence of senior American officials picking a puppet leader for Ukraine. And if you think that senior American officials aren't linked with the CIA. You are barking mad and beyond reason honestly.
I listened to it. I enjoyed Nulands comment about the EU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lither_1927
Ironically did not Yanukovych going against the peoples wishes of closer association with the EU start this?
Was there Russian meddling to elect Yanukovych in the first place?
it's evidence that they were trying to use their influence to get a stable government to form post-revolution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lither_1927
I'm sure they weren't the only ones.
Officials from the most powerful nation on earth are clearly heard picking a puppet leader of Ukraine. Nothing to do with stability, they don't mention stability when assessing their puppet. It's more about American hedgemony. Zelensky the puppet has antogonised the Russians since being installed. If America wanted stability they'd instruct their puppet Zelensky to pledge never to join the EU and Nato.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Also, the female in that phone call is Victoria Nuland, known for wanting to depose Putin in Russia. Stability you say? LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Lither_1927
America and the EU caused this war in Ukraine, they see Ukrainian death as a price worth paying for achieving their goals. The British public are being conned and paying a heavy price for this war through inflation.
They certainly didnt want a Putin puppet president though, that was the reason for the " uprising " they wanted stronger link to the EU rather than RussiaQuote:
Originally Posted by Lither_1927
That!s right. Ukraine need to bow down to Russia, to appease Mr Putin, and ease the conscience of the WestQuote:
Originally Posted by Lither_1927
no, Russia caused this war in Ukraine and Russia alone. why do you seek to absolve them of any blame?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lither_1927
No, it was the CIA, keep up will youQuote:
Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue
it had nothing what-so-ever to do with Yanukovych going back on a decision made by the Ukrainian parliament to sign the "European Union–Ukraine Association Agreement" which would have bought Ukraine closer to the EU, and he decided that Ukraines future laid back with Russia, nothing at all
It's nothing to do with conscience of the West, psychopaths don't have a conscience. I think Russia would've been happy if Ukraine never joined the EU or Nato. I wouldn't call that bowing down and it would have prevented much bloodshed.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
Do you think war is a price worth paying for EU/Nato expansion?
Just for clarity, After hearing that leaked call. are you seriously suggesting the CIA weren't involved in Ukraine?Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
do you think this Russian war is justified in preventing Ukraine seeking closer ties with the EU?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lither_1927
No, America and the EU were aggressors. They've backed Russia into a corner giving them intolerable terms. I never had you down as American hawke, this is hysterical fair play lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
I've listened and offered my thoughts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lither_1927
Russia definitely had the option of not invading Ukraine, not arming seprarists in the east for years etc and Europe would have gone on buying their gas and trading happily with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lither_1927
And giving their spymasters, crooks and oligarchs power and influence.... and laundering their dirty money through Londongrad?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
And receiving donations, that the Tory party Chairman had an office in Moscow advising Oligarchs, Repeatedly visiting the son of a former high ranking KGB Agent, against the advice of security services, and then landing the person a peerage. That's what Johnson did, imagine that was Corbyn, who was calling Putin out in 1999, when Russia invaded Chechnya, and has done ever since. He'd have been out on his ear and the press would have smashed him, they wouldn't have needed to lie. It's getting to the point where we can't have an adult conversation over this invasion and what is needed to end it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959