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In the summer I’m sure the heat would have attributed to a higher dearth rate than a cooler summer , absolutely, but the link posted suggests other mitigating factors, what’s your view on them particularly ages 45-54.
The heat wave would have been a factor - although 'only' accounting for hundreds of excess deaths. Reactions to vaccines might have been a marginal factor - although a fraction of the deaths that rampant Covid would have caused.
My educated guess (from reading a lot of opinion and analysis) is that most excess deaths have come from late diagnoses and missed treatments as a consequence of Covid lock-down, overwhelmed hospitals during the height of the pandemic, and the impact of staff vacancies (due to Brexit, stress, long-term illnesses amongst medical staff and inadequate funding).
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Excess deaths have been caused by poorly thoiugh out excess lockdown , the effects of that will see many people die , did Wales pronlonged lockdowns save more lives through the lesser dangerous Omicrom period that will actually kill more in the future due to the fact health appointments were not quickly applied for other critcail illnesses , is the question you may want ask ..
The Tories were right in not contuining with such sever lockdown measures during the Omicrom period .
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In the summer I’m sure the heat would have attributed to a higher dearth rate than a cooler summer , absolutely, but the link posted suggests other mitigating factors, what’s your view on them particularly ages 45-54.
A whole multitude of reasons. To name a few:
Unhealthier lifestyles due to lockdown catching up with people.
The deteriorating quality of NHS care. A knock on effect of missed and delayed appointments and treatments.
Complications of Covid/long Covid catching up to people.
Why that age range in particular? I don’t think there’s any particular reason.
The graph doesn’t follow a bell curve. In fact the numbers look fairly random suggesting there’s a whole load of factors involved.
Just to highlight:
60-64 is 3.2% higher.
65-69 is 6.4% higher.
70-74 is 5.0%higher.
75-79 is 1.7% higher.
80-84 is 4.4% higher.
85-89 is 4.2% higher.
I could make a few assumptions but Im quite confident there isn’t any definitive answer.
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Excess deaths have been caused by poorly thought policies ,and excess lock downs , the effects of that will see many people die , did Wales prolonged lock downs save more lives through the lesser dangerous Omicron period that will actually kill more in the future due to the fact health appointments were not quickly applied for other critical illnesses , is the question you may want ask ..
The Tories were right in not continuing with such sever lock down measures during the Omicron period .
Lets hope this comes out in the inquiry Unhealthier lifestyles due to lock down catching up with people good spot Canton Kev ..
Easy to blame other factors and not the real thing whcih is the abuse of the NHS , Unhealthier lifestyles ,
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I never saw that in the news, I must have missed it.
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Would have thougHt there’s a few on here who’ll dispute the last five paragraphs of that piece.
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Would have thougHt there’s a few on here who’ll dispute the last five paragraphs of that piece.
I think there'll be a few disappointed that the article even addressed it as it ruins a good narrative. But at least the BBC are being responsible enough to discredit any vaccine nonsense.
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I think there'll be a few disappointed that the article even addressed it as it ruins a good narrative. But at least the BBC are being responsible enough to discredit any vaccine nonsense.
I don’t think anybody is disappointed, and the vaccine has always been considered a must for people over 50.
The issue for me is that the article suggests lockdown’s will eventually prove to be more harmful than if a different approach was taken.
The final paragraph also states:
While this data on its own can't tell us it's the vaccine protecting people from dying - there are too many complicating factors
They (TASS) are hardly going to discredit the rollout.
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I don’t think anybody is disappointed, and the vaccine has always been considered a must for people over 50.
The issue for me is that the article suggests lockdown’s will eventually prove to be more harmful than if a different approach was taken.
The final paragraph also states:
While this data on its own can't tell us it's the vaccine protecting people from dying - there are too many complicating factors
They (TASS) are hardly going to discredit the rollout.
Why did you delete half of that sentence? You can tell from the word 'while' that there should be another more important clause.
While this data on its own can't tell us it's the vaccine protecting people from dying - there are too many complicating factors - if vaccines were driving excess deaths we would expect this to be the other way around.
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Why did you delete half of that sentence? You can tell from the word 'while' that there should be another more important clause.
While this data on its own can't tell us it's the vaccine protecting people from dying - there are too many complicating factors - if vaccines were driving excess deaths we would expect this to be the other way around.
Have you looked at the yellow card system , perhaps you should.
Now I have my own opinion on the report , but this is not the place to express them , especially with posters like you , and the main reason for posting is in the main to do with the negative impact of lockdown, which has always been a bug bear of mine.
I take TASS articles with an open mind.
Thanks
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Have you looked at the yellow card system , perhaps you should.
Now I have my own opinion on the report , but this is not the place to express them , especially with posters like you , and the main reason for posting is in the main to do with the negative impact of lockdown, which has always been a bug bear of mine.
I take TASS articles with an open mind.
Thanks
I asked why you deleted half of the sentence.
Yes, Organ Morgan has referenced the yellow card system on here a few times, and cherry picked parts of it (perhaps even taking half of a sentence) to try and disingenuously bolster his point.
Luckily a 'poster like me' was on hand to check the original and set the record straight. No need to thank me, we don't all wear capes.
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Would have thougHt there’s a few on here who’ll dispute the last five paragraphs of that piece.
You can add the venerable Dr Assem Malhotra to the list of sceptics who can be found here.
The first tweet of his below I posted at another thread almost three months ago. All the Covid needle lovers swerved making a comment as his credentials and reputation is beyond reproach. Describing Pfizer as an immoral and psychopathic entity raised even my eyebrows.
He appears convinced the shots killed his old man judging from the second tweet. The problem I have with that one is he must have been aware about the informed consent issue, or rather the deliberate concealment of it in violation of the Nuremberg Code, but said nowt about it and instead chose to recommend their uptake.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It’s time to put patients before profits, to put truth before money, to put human needs ahead of the needs of an immoral, psychopathic entity. Let’s do this 👊👊👊 <a href="https://t.co/kGWf5rd0m2">pic.twitter.com/kGWf5rd0m2</a></p>— Dr Aseem Malhotra (@DrAseemMalhotra) <a href="https://twitter.com/DrAseemMalhotra/status/1582041655191797764?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 17, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Goodbye Papa. I promise you with all my heart I will ensure that your premature passing will not be in vain & that we achieve justice for those who have suffered unnecessarily from an mRNA jab that should likely never have been approved & certainly not without informed consent. <a href="https://t.co/Jo0vZeJBRi">pic.twitter.com/Jo0vZeJBRi</a></p>— Dr Aseem Malhotra (@DrAseemMalhotra) <a href="https://twitter.com/DrAseemMalhotra/status/1585599985860898816?
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I’m actually making a pint about the impact of lockdown and the excessive deaths which are higher than when we were in a pandemic.
Data here makes interesting reading
https://twitter.com/statsjamie/statu...4KhL1avwXItpxw
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What's your evidence for this statement?
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What's your evidence for this statement?
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%...id-pandemic%2F
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What's your evidence for this statement?
TWGL1 has given two pieces of evidence today.
Admittedly the first, the BBC article, says in the opening paragraph:
"This represents one of the largest excess death levels outside the pandemic in 50 years.
Though far below peak pandemic levels, it has prompted questions about why more people are still dying than normal."
and the second is a twitter account that compares 2022 with 2015-19 specifically to avoid the pandemic years, but...erm...do your own research?
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So you based the conclusion on a Telegraph article using one months comparative data. How many people died after being mauled by a dog in those periods out of interest?
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But that seems to be a bit misleading, as it is comparing the weekly average in one month (October 2022, and not even a full month) with the weekly average of an entire year (2020 or 2021).
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But that seems to be a bit misleading, as it is comparing the weekly average in one month (October 2022, and not even a full month) with the weekly average of an entire year (2020 or 2021).
This from the ONS makes the point.
https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrI...Y2NiIsImMiOjh9
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TWGL1 wants to talk about lockdowns, so that data gives a good opportunity to. It shows that in 2020 and 2021 the numbers fluctuated madly, from highs of 10,000+ to below zero (meaning fewer than expected). And a major reason for that is...lockdowns. Those zero months pulled the yearly average way down, so it's not that big a surprise that in 2022 there would be months above the 2020 or 2021 yearly averages.
The purpose of the lockdowns (and obviously I did not enjoy them one bit and worried a lot about the mental impact on my family members before I get called a lockdown fanatic or something else ridiculous) was to stop people dying, and as with just about everything else in life it came with costs.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">UK excess deaths are off the scale. The vast majority are non Covid deaths.<br><br>Sky News: “We don’t know what is driving those excess deaths.” <a href="https://t.co/ebR0SNl7ii">pic.twitter.com/ebR0SNl7ii</a></p>— James Melville (@JamesMelville) <a href="https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1611034393702694924?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 5, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">UK excess deaths are off the scale. The vast majority are non Covid deaths.<br><br>Sky News: “We don’t know what is driving those excess deaths.” <a href="https://t.co/ebR0SNl7ii">pic.twitter.com/ebR0SNl7ii</a></p>— James Melville (@JamesMelville) <a href="https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1611034393702694924?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 5, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Could a greatly understaffed NHS have something to do with it?
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Could a greatly understaffed NHS have something to do with it?
Nah, more likely too much coffee, cold showers, excessive gardening or a number of other 'anything but the clot shots' reasons corporate media have suggested for excess deaths.
I don't doubt eating too much Christmas pud, or singing carols too raucously was the cause of the festive Durham die off.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Things are worsening quickly!<br><br>EIGHT sudden deaths in just ONE town on just ONE day!<br><br>Meanwhile nobody cares (except you and me)<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/diedsuddenly?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#di edsuddenly</a> <a href="https://t.co/PDVkYN5fm2">https://t.co/PDVkYN5fm2</a> <a href="https://t.co/PJsj1zet1r">pic.twitter.com/PJsj1zet1r</a></p>— Igor Chudov 🐭 (@ichudov) <a href="https://twitter.com/ichudov/status/1608487286429331457?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 29, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
